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[q_q]

And there it is.

Pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Jag]

Wellp.

Goodman is also the author of Breaking the Devil's Heart and Logic of Demons, a widely acclaimed series of existential fantasy novels.

Guy's legit

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

I've seen you say this twice now. Are we not supposed to recognize that a famous person is in support of Bernie that falls within the demographic he most struggles with? I mean, I see your point if people are saying things like "he has the black vote now" but I'm not seeing that.

Have you read the article he was responding to? I'd say the article author falls exactly into the category we're talking about.

 

[LaserBuddha]

And there it is.

I'm glad someone showed up to say something stupid so you can continue on with your farcicle and unsubstantiated claim of Bernie supporters being a bunch of racists. One more thread where you don't have to prove that it's more than statistical noise.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

And there it is.

They can't help themselves.

Literally any opportunity.

 

[jackissocool]

How can I take anything you say seriously in the face of comments like this? It seems like such an insane disconnect from reality to me, the likes of which I'm use to encountering on FreeRepublic. Did you miss Obama's first campaign? ...and do you seriously expect Bernie not to be forced to compromise even worse than Obama had to? Do you understand a President is not a dictator? When President Sanders fails to realize his campaign promises or comprises will that be your excuse to ignore future midterms too?

The reality is liberals think voting in a president is real politics. They come out every presidential election the disappear for three years. Nothing changes.

And there it is.

Yeah how dare you uppity blacks be so rabid! Accept your liberation at the pace comfortable to white liberals (glacial).

 

[danm999]

I've seen you say this twice now. Are we not supposed to recognize that a famous person is in support of Bernie that falls within the demographic he most struggles with? I mean, I see your point if people are saying things like "he has the black vote now" but I'm not seeing that.

The relevant article here is emphatically making that point suggesting Killer Mike's endorsement has won Sanders the White House.

 

[Merc_]

And there it is.

It's always bubbling just below the surface.

 

[Adaren]

Couldn't resist clicking on "Hillary Clinton Will Finish Third In Iowa, Behind Bernie Sanders and O'Malley. Here's Why".

Only 3 mentions of O'Malley though.

 

[tearsintherain]

Bernie Sanders will also introduce the Nintendo Bernie NX at E3 this year, which will come with an Oculus Rift, emulate Xbox One and PS4, support Steam, and cost $199. It will be announced that Nintendo is the new official socialist console of the world, and it will generate 1.3 gigawatts of power and make fossil fuels irrelevant. It will also serve as a hoverboard so cars will be dead. Finally, the Bernie NX will create food that tastes delicious but also makes you lose weight as you eat it and play, making all Americans skinny.

GO BERNIE

 

[Cagey]

Why would I do that? Like I said, you gave the expected response and you're still doing it. Carry on yo.

Unfortunately for you I'm not downplaying racism, I'm accurately stating the scope of an issue and saying you should defend your claims it's much larger instead of taking character shots at me.

No. Not worth it. Carry on indeed, dude.

 

[Jelly Rajah]

Yes, i went there. If a person is going to throw their sword down to support someone like Hillary over the facts, who is the very nature of the beast called money in politics, i will say that principles are not something that person has.

Unless said person is coming mentally clean into the voting season thinking that everyone is just playing fair and there's no such thing as influencing factors like special interest money, or corporate favors, or media narratives based on who owns what and has stakes in who, i will say that voting for Hillary or the GOP right now is essentially perpetuating a system of governance that turns ever closer towards fascism and oligarchy.

I. am. not. kidding.

 

[Quixzlizx]

"Most pro-black" isn't really saying much of anything at all. This is a deeply racist country and that pervades politics at all levels. Criticising them for pushing him further is silly. There is no issue Bernie is far enough left on. I understand that's a necessity in American presidential politics, but radical activists have a responsibility to push him further and further.

Saying "he's not as bad as everyone else!" is dandy, but he needs to be good. He's the only candidate with that potential, so people need to push him constantly. And he's been alright about it. He certainly handles criticism much better than many (most?) of his followers.

Have you ever considered the possibility that he isn't a violent communist?

 

[Tesseract]

good, everyone's hard work is starting to pay huge dividends

 

[jackissocool]

I'm glad someone showed up to say something stupid so you can continue on with your farcicle and unsubstantiated claim of Bernie supporters being a bunch of racists. One more thread where you don't have to prove that it's more than statistical noise.

That's so far from the point. Clearly, the constant efforts by white liberals to undermine or sideline movements like BLM throughout history show that there is a basic undercurrent of race conflict that defines this country. It happens all the time. And this defence force comes out to say "we're not racist for real". Great. If that's true, then fucking get on board. Calling BLM "rabid" is fucking insane. Is there some maximum level of political passion allowed? Good forbid a movement to end the violent, widespread, and understated-by-liberals racism in this country actually fights for something. If you're not a racist, prove it. Fight for black liberation.

MLK's white moderates haunt us to this day.

Have you ever considered the possibility that he isn't a violent communist?

Yeah that's my main criticism of him.

Or at least that he doesn't want to end capitalism.

 

[rjinaz]

The relevant article here is emphatically making that point suggesting Killer Mike's endorsement has won Sanders the White House.

Ok touche. That one article written by that Author in November certainly does say that, in the headline no less. But I don't think I have really seen anybody agree with it. It's a totally whacky opinion. But I guess I was wrong. Somebody did say that.

 

[danm999]

Ok touche. That one article written by that Author in November certainly does say that, in the headline no less. But I don't think I have really seen anybody agree with it. It's a totally whacky opinion. But I guess I was wrong. Somebody did say that.

I think everyone can agree the author of these articles is a little too zealous for his own good yeah.

 

[q_q]

So let me get this straight... Bernie has to take blame because some of his supporters did some racist shit on twitter, and this makes his fan base "rabid." But when a similar criticism is laid against BLM protesters who crash rallies and misdirect their anger at people who are clearly on their side, it's called immediately stupid and racist, must be coming from a place of white privilege, etc.

Such a shame that an important issue like racial justice has to be held back by such irrationality.

 

[Tesseract]

he needs more help, get involved at unis across your state

donate if you can, we can win this

So let me get this straight... Bernie has to take blame because some of his supporters did some racist shit on twitter, and this makes his fan base "rabid." But when a similar criticism is laid against BLM protesters who crash rallies and misdirect their anger at people who are clearly on their side, it's called immediately stupid and racist, must be coming from a place of white privilege, etc.

Such a shame that an important issue like racial justice has to be held back by such irrationality.

gotta ignore the goofballs, breh

 

[rjinaz]

I think everyone can agree the author of these articles is a little too zealous for his own good yeah.

I'm looking forward to tomorrow, where just for a day, DemGAF can join together and agree on just how awful the other side is.

 

[Cagey]

So let me get this straight... Bernie has to take blame because some of his supporters did some racist shit on twitter, and this makes his fan base "rabid." But when a similar criticism is laid against BLM protesters who crash rallies and misdirect their anger at people who are clearly on their side, it's called immediately stupid and racist, must be coming from a place of white privilege, etc.

Such a shame that an important issue like racial justice has to be held back by such irrationality.

The logic here is superficially alluring but it's not the same.

There's a difference in the potential source of each criticism you need to appreciate. It's FAR more likely that a critique of BLM based on a few protestors comes from an ugly, racist place than those doing the same with a white political candidate and some racist supporters. It's not guaranteed to come from there but it sounds alarms and for good reason.

 

[Inuhanyou]

How can I take anything you say seriously in the face of comments like this? It seems like such an insane disconnect from reality to me, the likes of which I'm use to encountering on FreeRepublic. Did you miss Obama's first campaign?

You said in 8 years. i said, Obama basically threw everything back in the face of his supporters right after he won. So when they were demoralized, in 2010, the GOP cleaned house and did so again later on to gain all of congress.

It was because no one gave a shit any longer about Obama's administration or keeping him or people associated with him in power.

In 2012, the re-election for Obama was the lowest turnout in quite some time, because people were not enthusiastic at all for the candidate, even in a general, but many forced themselves so the GOP didn't win.

You need constant engagement and enthusiasm with your base, or they arent going to stay engaged with you.

...and do you seriously expect Bernie not to be forced to compromise even worse than Obama had to? Do you understand a President is not a dictator? When President Sanders fails to realize his campaign promises or comprises will that be your excuse to ignore future midterms too?

No one is more realistic than i am about Bernie's up hill battle. I, and many people who support him don't care about any utopias or whatever.

What we want to see at the very least, is a person who actually cares about the issues and is on our side in the white house, trying to work for us in good faith.

I know that if Bernie is in the white house, he's not going to sign another fake WallStreet 'reform bill' that does nothing like Dodd Frank ,or another 'Health insurance reform' bill, that just says people are forced to buy private insurance.

And will genuinely try and argue on the side of the citizen, even if he can't get many things, or even a majority of the things that he wants done.

If he even accomplished one thing on his list of things to do during his tenure, that would be a success for progressivism and active change.

 

[Gattsu25]

So let me get this straight... Bernie has to take blame because some of his supporters did some racist shit on twitter, and this makes his fan base "rabid." But when a similar criticism is laid against BLM protesters who crash rallies and misdirect their anger at people who are clearly on their side, it's called immediately stupid and racist, must be coming from a place of white privilege, etc.

Such a shame that an important issue like racial justice has to be held back by such irrationality.

That 'irrationality' led to policy and rhetoric shifts within his campaign that are net positives.

Bernie's campaign is better for it.

It was a good thing.

Accept it.

 

[Valhelm]

Yeah that's my main criticism of him.

Or at least that he doesn't want to end capitalism.

Bernie would definitely be more honest if he stopped pretending to be a socialist. Still love him tho

 

[jackissocool]

So let me get this straight... Bernie has to take blame because some of his supporters did some racist shit on twitter, and this makes his fan base "rabid." But when a similar criticism is laid against BLM protesters who crash rallies and misdirect their anger at people who are clearly on their side, it's called immediately stupid and racist, must be coming from a place of white privilege, etc.

Such a shame that an important issue like racial justice has to be held back by such irrationality.

Damn irrational blacks holding back white people from freeing them

Bernie would definitely be more honest if he stopped pretending to be a socialist. Still love him tho

I like him more than any other capitalist, at least

 

[Inuhanyou]

Bernie would definitely be more honest if he stopped pretending to be a socialist. Still love him tho

He's a social democrat of eurozone, even though he can also be classified as a democratic socialist by the literal definition of that term. Which is what he identifies as.

 

[LaserBuddha]

So let me get this straight... Bernie has to take blame because some of his supporters did some racist shit on twitter, and this makes his fan base "rabid." But when a similar criticism is laid against BLM protesters who crash rallies and misdirect their anger at people who are clearly on their side, it's called immediately stupid and racist, must be coming from a place of white privilege, etc.

Such a shame that an important issue like racial justice has to be held back by such irrationality.

Im on BLM's side in regards to crashing the rally. It had some real goals and real results toward those goals. But yeah, the "you're a racist if we even sense a hint of criticism toward BLM" witch hunt needs to GTFO. We can't pretend any organization is literally above reproach no matter how sympathetic their cause is.

I'm not talking about being nice to racists so that they won't be scared away from becoming decent human beings. I don't think BLM owes anyone anything or need to make themselves some sort of palatable representation of black people in the minds of white people so that they can earn respect they are entitled too. I don't actually have any criticisms that I know of when it comes to BLM. The fucking bullshit on his forum is what I'm talking about.

What I'm saying is that this verbal bullying and continual unsubstantiated lies (about Bernie supporters being generally or especially racist) need to fucking end because it is threadshitting.

 

[q_q]

The logic here is superficially alluring but it's not the same.

There's a difference in the potential source of each criticism you need to appreciate. It's FAR more likely that a critique of BLM based on a few protestors comes from an ugly, racist place than those doing the same with a white political candidate and some racist supporters. It's not guaranteed to come from there but it sounds alarms and for good reason.

That's understandable but that doesn't mean it couldn't possibly be a legitimate criticism.

That 'irrationality' led to policy and rhetoric shifts within his campaign that are net positives.

Bernie's campaign is better for it.

It was a good thing.

Accept it.

They didn't lead to shifts though. His feelings have always been the same, he just started to focus more on racial issues. This was an outcome that could have been reached through means other than shouting him down because he didn't make race the main issue of his campaign.

And I accept that his potential constituents made their voices heard and he responded to it, that's how politics is supposed to work. But I don't accept the double standard that is applied in this case by some.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

Uh, what did Obama "throw in the face" of his supporters? I don't recall him ever promising single payer during his campaign, and the lessening of his Wall Street reforms was a direct result of him expending his political capital on health care reform.

Bernie will probably have fewer progressive achievements than Obama, really, because he may never have a Dem Congress to work with.

Edit: Capitalism is lol, but the existence of contemporary Marxists truly befuddles me. What has happened in the last century that would make one think that Marxism is a practicable or desirable political philosophy?

 

[Gattsu25]

That's understandable but that doesn't mean it couldn't possibly be a legitimate criticism.



They didn't lead to shifts though. His feelings have always been the same, he just started to focus more on racial issues. This was an outcome that could have been reached through means other than shouting him down because he didn't make race the main issue of his campaign.

And I accept that his potential constituents made their voices heard and he responded to it, that's how politics is supposed to work. But I don't accept the double standard that is applied in this case by some.

Regarding the bold, glad we agree.

 

[RPGCrazied]

he may never have a Dem Congress to work with.

If Trump gets the nominee, I think Dems will probably get congress. Probably even the house.

 

[Valhelm]

He's a social democrat of eurozone, even though he can also be classified as a democratic socialist by the literal definition of that term. Which is what he identifies as.

He's not exactly a democratic socialist. Democratic socialism usually means the process by which socialism is enacted through a democratic process rather than a violent takeover. Because Bernie seeks to reign in capitalism, rather than end it, he can't really be called a socialist.

That being said, it's entirely possible that Bernie is just dampening his own message to be more palatable to American voters. He may believe that America's workers ought to own the means of production, but recognizes that legitimately socialistic rhetoric would scare away some potential supporters.

Edit: Capitalism is lol, but the existence of contemporary Marxists truly befuddles me. What has happened in the last century that would make one think that Marxism is a practicable or desirable political philosophy?

Marxism =/= Leninism and certainly =/= Stalinism. A good amount of today's Marxists believe legitimate communism has never really been implemented on a nationwide scale, and nearly all Marxists believe that the Soviet Union should not be considered communist at all. Some bold communists remember Mao fondly and endorse Fidel Castro, but these people are increasingly rare. I'd encourage you to look into thehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune Paris Commune and the Menshevik movement to understand the policies that many modern-day Western communists advocate.

 

[q_q]

Damn irrational blacks holding back white people from freeing them

This is the second time you've made a little quip like this. I know you think it's clever, but it lacks substance. Why do you assume I'm white, and why do you refuse to engage in an actual debate about the issue?

 

[jackissocool]

He's a social democrat of eurozone, even though he can also be classified as a democratic socialist by the literal definition of that term. Which is what he identifies as.

I could identify as the Queen of England but that don't give me a crown.

What Bernie advocates for is a nice capitalism. Democratic socialists, by the literal definition of the term, want to achieve socialism through democratic means. Nothing Bernie does or says suggests he wants to do that. He just wants better welfare and shit. Not socialism at all. If he were presenting his ideas as a transition away from private ownership of the means of production towards worker control, then sure, he's be a socialist. But he straight up says he doesn't want to end capitalism. It's one or the other. You abolish private productive property or you don't.

Edit: Capitalism is lol, but the existence of contemporary Marxists truly befuddles me. What has happened in the last century that would make one think that Marxism is a practicable or desirable political philosophy?

"Capitalism is bad but so are people who want to do something about it". To answer your question: capitalism has made me a Marxist. If you're against capitalism and Marxism, what are you for, exactly?

He's not exactly a democratic socialist. Democratic socialism usually means the process by which socialism is enacted through a democratic process rather than a violent takeover. Because Bernie seeks to reign in capitalism, rather than end it, he can't really be called a socialist.

That being said, it's entirely possible that Bernie is just dampening his own message to be more palatable to American voters. He may believe that America's workers ought to own the means of production, but recognizes that legitimately socialistic rhetoric would scare away some potential supporters.

Comrade beat me to it.

 

[Damerman]

I'm as delusional as this guy, and i don't care... VOTE BERNIE!!!

 

[q_q]

Regarding the bold, glad we agree.

You literally just said the opposite. Seems like a waste of my time to engage you further on this topic.

 

[JesseEwiak]

If Trump gets the nominee, I think Dems will probably get congress. Probably even the house.

Even in the world where Bernie Sanders wins the Presidency, the House, and the Senate, he still has to appeal to the person who will be the 50th vote in the Senate and the 218th vote in the House.

Do you know who those people were during the last Democratic Congress? Mary Landreiu and Dan Maffei, not exactly uberprogressives.

 

[Gattsu25]

You literally just said the opposite. Seems like a waste of my time to engage you further on this topic.

You're saying that he didn't shift and then words later talk about how he shifted.

"They didn't lead to shifts though ... he just started to focus more on racial issues."

I'm highlighted that.

My recommendation would be to be more consistent with your rationalizing away Bernie's campaign changes as a result of his interactions with BLM

 

[Yaphett Kotto]

You literally just said the opposite.

No he didn't. Reread what he said.

 

[jackissocool]

This is the second time you've made a little quip like this. I know you think it's clever, but it lacks substance. Why do you assume I'm white, and why do you refuse to engage in an actual debate about the issue?

I never said you were white. I was mocking what you said, which was quite literally that irrational blacks are stopping white people (The majority of Bernie's spotters) from advancing race issues in this country.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Uh, what did Obama "throw in the face" of his supporters? I don't recall him ever promising single payer during his campaign, and the lessening of his Wall Street reforms was a direct result of him expending his political capital on health care reform.

Well, first and foremost, the most important thing; he broke his campaign promise of no lobbyists being allowed senior positions in the White House.

I could identify as the Queen of England but that don't give me a crown.

What Bernie advocates for is a nice capitalism. Democratic socialists, by the literal definition of the term, want to achieve socialism through democratic means. Nothing Bernie does or says suggests he wants to do that. He just wants better welfare and shit. Not socialism at all. If he were presenting his ideas as a transition away from private ownership of the means of production towards worker control, then sure, he's be a socialist. But he straight up says he doesn't want to end capitalism. It's one or the other. You abolish private productive property or you don't.

He's not exactly a democratic socialist. Democratic socialism usually means the process by which socialism is enacted through a democratic process rather than a violent takeover. Because Bernie seeks to reign in capitalism, rather than end it, he can't really be called a socialist.

That being said, it's entirely possible that Bernie is just dampening his own message to be more palatable to American voters. He may believe that America's workers ought to own the means of production, but recognizes that legitimately socialistic rhetoric would scare away some potential supporters.

Yeah..from what know of Bernie, back in the 70s, he was far more 'hardcore' than he is right now.

He's basically moved to the right, but he still focuses primarily on workers rights, unions and collective bargaining.

That would be still considered a social democrat though i believe, even if i guess no longer considered socialist.

 

[Sobriquet]

Being cowed by the same forces they are just now waking up to fight against in order to push Sanders over the edge.

Nobody gave a shit about politics before now because nobody gave a shit about the candidates. Obama never gave us any reason to support him because he had already broken quite a few campaign promises right after he went into office.

He never extolled any virtue about progressive causes or really said much of anything after he won besides how much he liked compromising and how much people should not complain because they are lucky a Republican isn't in office.

Its no wonder nobody came out to support him when he never made the case for himself to begin with. Having followed him since i voted for him in 2008 and again in 2012, last night's final state of the address was the most right he was in his entire Presidency, atleast in speech terms.

It sounds like you haven't followed his presidency at all.

 

[jackissocool]

Well, first and foremost, the most important thing; he broke his campaign promise of no lobbyists being allowed senior positions in the White House.

Yeah..from what know of Bernie, back in the 70s, he was far more 'hardcore' than he is right now.

He's basically moved to the right, but he still focuses primarily on workers rights, unions and collective bargaining.

That would be still considered a social democrat though i believe, even if i guess no longer considered socialist.

Yeah I mean he's a fine guy as far as bourgeois politicians go. He cares about the workers and unions, which is great. He's further left than this country's dems and liberals for sure. He's a through and through social democrat. But the man is not a socialist and I wish he would stop calling himself that.

 

[Xisiqomelir]

I really hope Berns wins. He'd actually match up well against Trump.

 

[foxtrot3d]

Yes, i went there. If a person is going to throw their sword down to support someone like Hillary over the facts, who is the very nature of the beast called money in politics, i will say that principles are not something that person has.

Unless said person is coming mentally clean into the voting season thinking that everyone is just playing fair and there's no such thing as influencing factors like special interest money, or corporate favors, or media narratives based on who owns what and has stakes in who, i will say that voting for Hillary or the GOP right now is essentially perpetuating a system of governance that turns ever closer towards fascism and oligarchy.

I. am. not. kidding.

Right...

Well, I'll still be voting for Hilary over Bernie at the moment.

 

[Foffy]

But with things like TPP, that's not possible. Obama is trying to undermine that status quo right now, just much slower to give the illusion that the progress is status quo.

Do you get it? They are still for handing corporate power everything, they are still doing that. And the longer we wait to make drastic changes, the less possible its going to be later to do anything.

This is not about Hillary even, this is about the system of governance that she represents and is completely embodied by, that literally no one besides Bernie in this race is even talking about. Martin o malley talked about about it a little, but he has no chance.

Money in politics, and the corrupting force that has over legislation and initiatives and yes, the media, is by far the most important thing in the political spectrum today that has to be fixed. We can't wait 8 years.

I respect and agree with your sincerity. However, there is a great problem here.

What, exactly, is this political revolution Bernie will produce? Like, I actually get that: an entire new paradigm that infers a new status quo, one more rooted in humanism, compassion, and collective wellbeing than the have/not not shit we have. But, where is it? There's Bernie talking about it, and I agree it's in order, but where is the paradigm? Where are the other politicians - or at the very least, people who of our society wish to elect who have similar values that Bernie does - in this system coming to further this message? It amounts to one man with the idea of change, and like Obama, unless the change is an entire paradigm, the change is merely a word from one's mouth.

Many people will just settle for less, and America is a perfect example of this. As long as the house doesn't collapse, we can live with it on fire. These are the people who one way or another buy into the dying game. With that in mind, Hillary is their safe candidate. Things won't get dramatically worse - I think automation will demand a socialistic upheaval, and the next president may as well be inheriting the start of this problem - but by and large things will just coast along. Things won't fall apart, but they won't be reasoned for honesty and prosperity. People want the familiar, even if the familiar, on a macro level, is genuine filth.

I am genuinely of the view this whole body we call a society has to rot before we get the change that not only we need, but is compatible with reality. Anything less than that is merely insignificant patchwork and futile attempts at assimilating to a profoundly sick state of affairs, and whoever is president will be left with this. There is no light here. Watch the carnival and enjoy the dissolution of it all.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

Marxism =/= Leninism and certainly =/= Stalinism. A good amount of today's Marxists believe legitimate communism has never really been implemented on a nationwide scale, and nearly all Marxists believe that the Soviet Union should not be considered communist at all. Some bold communists remember Mao fondly and endorse Fidel Castro, but these people are increasingly rare. I'd encourage you to look into thehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Commune Paris Commune and the Menshevik movement to understand the policies that many modern-day Western communists advocate.

I'm aware of the arguments, but the historical reality of human behavior is not very kind to them. Capitalism will eventually be sloughed off, but the likelihood is any attempt to envision what that new system might look like are doomed to Nostredamism, just as one could not have predicted the modern-day USA or Western Europe doing a socioeconomic analysis of Europe in the 1500s.

 

[Einhander]

I certainly will do my part and vote for Bernie on March 15.

 

[Tesseract]

damn foffy, you just went full joker on us

not that i disagree

 

[bishoptl]

Bernie Sanders is the most pro-black candidate running, but some of his supporters were less than sensitive after the Black Lives Matter interruptions.

"less than sensitive" is putting it kindly.

Pack of slavering assholes, yelling at black people how Bernie marched with MLK like it was some kind of trap card to get them to shut up about Black Lives Matter. Furious at the temerity of these Negroes demanding to have their issues treated with a modicum of respect by those running for the Democratic candidacy. Hearing "Earn Our Vote" as speaking out of turn. Expecting the black vote to fall in lockstep behind their candidate because HEY HE MARCHED WITH KING YOU KNOW and frankly, it's better to just vote how you're told because we know what's best for you. Mad because rallies about ye olde economy were occasionally interrupted by black ladies saying hey wouldn't it be nice if we stopped getting murdered in the street for a change?

Yeah, that so-called "meme" was a tidal wave of asshattery in 2015 directed at anyone with the gall to push back on Sanders' tone deaf insistence on pivoting to the economy whenever he was challenged on racial issues in America. Hell, Reddit was one of the better places to get a measured response from Sanders supporters. It was Shithead Central in here for ages, and that's just a small taste of the vitriol I saw directed by his supporters at BLM in general.

And the hilarious thing is that it's still happening.

I have no real beef with Sanders other than that he's unelectable, but as far as the "you gonna feel the Bern? or vote for TRUMP/HILLARY" brigade? Launch the lot into the sun and call it a day