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[HStallion]

Is Casca even a black women or even a pic? And can asian's "whitewash"?

Have you read Berserk or seen the other anime adaptations? She's much darker skinned than Guts.

 

[freethoughtbubble]

Light-washed? It's bullshit either way. I'll just stick to the Manga. This looks underwhelming as shit =/

 

[Nottle]

Is Casca even a black women or even a pic? And can asian's "whitewash"?

Colorism is a thing I've heard people talk about for Asian countries I believe. It it considered better for a woman to have whiter skin.

So while 2 Japanese people can be considered the same race by us westerners, over there whiter skin is considered attractive and luxurious while darker skin is considered to be less desired. Sort of like in the states it's actually considered attractive if you have a bit of an even tan. It shows that you are of a higher status and have the luxury of free time. I remember translators were talking about how some fashion game aimed towards girls has some part where someone comes in wanting a make over because they spent too much time in the sun and they were too dark. The translators were like... Uhh that's not really a great message for kids. It sort of reinforces the idea that someone that is darker isn't as good or doesn't belong.

 

[Squishy3]

He gets a rushed as fuck, condensed movie trilogy that softens the impact of one of the best arcs from the manga,

Still cuts less than this adaptation cuts out.

Just the Black Swordsman arc alone is three volumes worth of material.

Not factoring in the Lost Children arc which is why Guts doesn't immediately know that "oh god Casca's missing I have to go save her" because he's too busy killing demon fairies instead of chilling in a cave doing nothing

there's a complete disregard for connecting chains between events in this adaptation, it's assuming everybody read the manga so they can fill in the dots but on top of that it's also just terrible in general

 

[Goreomedy]

"It can't be as bad as they're saying."

Watches in horror as Berserk plays out like a Telltale game running on an original iPhone.

"Oh, I see."

The CG camera work is the biggest turd in this toilet.

 

[Nottle]

I've always thought her as a south Asian character so she would be considered brown in my eyes. Either way, they have made her complexion far lighter.

Yeah, her hair always makes me think maybe she isn't black, it's a little too straight. So either Miura didn't want to draw a black woman with curly hair, Casca straightens her hair (seems a bit out of character), or she is perhaps like you are saying South Asian.

 

[DrunkShogun]

Colorism is a thing I've heard people talk about for Asian countries I believe. It it considered better for a woman to have whiter skin.

So while 2 Japanese people can be considered the same race by us westerners, over there whiter skin is considered attractive and luxurious while darker skin is considered to be less desired. Sort of like in the states it's actually considered attractive if you have a bit of an even tan. It shows that you are of a higher status and have the luxury of free time. I remember translators were talking about how some fashion game aimed towards girls has some part where someone comes in wanting a make over because they spent too much time in the sun and they were too dark. The translators were like... Uhh that's not really a great message for kids. It sort of reinforces the idea that someone that is darker isn't as good or doesn't belong.

It's actually both genders in the south Asian region. The reason men are able to manage is they work to gain a career or credentials that make them a worthy candidate. It's getting better but you wouldn't need to look far to see a perfectly fine looking women with a dark complexion treated as a burden by her family.

 

[bagandscalpel]

Yeah, her hair always makes me think maybe she isn't black, it's a little too straight. So either Miura didn't want to draw a black woman with curly hair, Casca straightens her hair (seems a bit out of character), or she is perhaps like you are saying South Asian.

Or given the context of the Berserk world, she could even be of Kushan descent.

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

Is Casca even a black women or even a pic? And can asian's "whitewash"?

In real life Casca would probably look like this character from The Name of the Rose, from which Post-Eclipse Casca seems to be partially inspired.

That said, it actually seems like post eclipse Casca was made paler even in the manga, but what this anime is doing is far beyond that.

 

[koji kabuto]

I just saw the first episode and i was like what the hell is this? definitely doesn't feel or look like Berserk.
Who the hell is this guy?

I was not expecting much out of this but to be even worst than fan made stuff is sad!

 

[Grudy]

I just saw the first episode and i was like what the hell is this? definitely doesn't feel or look like Berserk.
Who the hell is this guy?

I was not expecting much out of this but to be even worst than fan made stuff is sad!

He looks like a really well made action figure.

 

[RadioHeadAche]

starting rereading Berserk and I don't remember a goddamn thing from the Blackswordsman arc, Guts can be quite the dickbag.

I mean, you'd be too if you lost everything important thanks to someone you loved, whom you had just risked your life to save.

 

[MEsoJD]

God I hate when anime uses CG for the characters... It's fucking ugly. The original Berserk anime series was beautiful. I wouldn't mind that quality.

 

[Nikodemos]

Y'know, given that Berserk happens in a Crapsack World version of Medieval Europe, Casca could be of Roma descent. After all, Roma are both light and dark skinned.

 

[Mr Git]

Watched it earlier. Animation is awful, such a shame. It makes the last few films look incredible by comparison. Maybe one day we'll get another arc animated by a solid studio.

 

[unknownhero]

After letting the first episode sink in, I think i'm done. If they are gonna skip scenes/arcs that show great characterization from guts and the rest then I'll wait til the OVA's

 

[The Silver]

I mean, you'd be too if you lost everything important thanks to someone you loved, whom you had just risked your life to save.

I know, I'm just more used to JRPG leader Guts, its funny going back and seeing him in full on edgy mode. I wonder if Theresia is dead, probably in Falconia somewhere.

 

[Josue]

Animation is so bad, at some points it looked like the characters were floating instead of walking.

 

[True Savior]

Animation is so bad, at some points it looked like the characters were floating instead of walking.

There's a moment in the final part where guts walks for a couple of seconds but it seems nothing happens. Neither he moves to the foreground, nor we get any perception of the background changing. He's just lifting his feet.

 

[NEO0MJ]

He looks like a really well made action figure.

Maybe one by Hasbro or Matell

 

[Geist-]

I'm going to echo the rest of the thread and say, fuck, that was bad. I mean, I didn't expect a masterpiece after seeing the trailers, but that was worse than anything I could have imagined.

I guess I'll have to hope that it gets adapted again in 10 years from now, with a higher budget. Until then, I think I'll just reread the manga.

 

[SENPAIatLARGE]

New Berserk anime got you down? Have no fear, because a high production animation project featuring the Black Swordsman has been produced!

Spoiler

 

[Kinyou]

In real life Casca would probably look like this character from The Name of the Rose, from which Post-Eclipse Casca seems to be partially inspired.


That said, it actually seems like post eclipse Casca was made paler even in the manga, but what this anime is doing is far beyond that.

Yeah, she has brighter skin than Guts. There's no wiggle room for different interpretation or something, it's straight up wrong.

 

[Breads]

New Berserk anime got you down? Have no fear, because a high production animation project featuring the Black Swordsman has been produced!

We're not sandbagging your joke.

It's just that Berserk fans were in on the punchline before SAO even had a fanbase.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

The opening sucks. I say that as someone who actually liked the opening in Berserk 97. The animation quality for the show itself is a lot worse than I was expecting. I had some concerns, but I didn't mind how the films were animated most of the time. This is just hard to watch at times. Like everything was in slow motion.

That being said, I'm still excited to see this arc animated in some form. It's a nice Berserk refresher since I haven't looked at this part of the manga in over a decade.

 

[Taiser]

animation quality reminded me of this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=D76Pa99dHzo#t=11

 

[Numb]

animation quality reminded me of this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=D76Pa99dHzo#t=11

Spoiler

that's savage

 

[Kraftwerk]

I am sad

 

[Grizzlyjin]

I watched the episode a second time, it grew on me. But I've always been able to enjoy low budget anime with little issue, shows like Golgo 13, Kaiji, etc. This is a step up from those, most of the time. I think the biggest problems arise when they animate one character but the character(s) around them are mostly static. It looks weird.

The episode break interlude thingy is pretty nice, at least.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

Can't lie I enjoyed it.

 

[Einchy]

New Berserk manga chapter just came out.

 

[human onion]

Well that didn't look good. At least we got disappointed rabbit out of it.

 

[sprsk]

Is Casca even a black women or even a pic? And can asian's "whitewash"?

This has been responded to already but I just want to chime in and say, hell yes.

Outside of America, asian dark skin racism runs deep. They have skin white ing creams and shit for a reason. And women in general have greater appeal here the whiter they are. Darker, tanned skin is almost regulated as a fetish.

They probably thought she would appeal to pedo-loving otaku more if they "cleaned" her up a bit and made her a little more childlike.

 

[Darkman M]

I thought all of the negative comments were just typical negative gaf overreaction, oh boy was I wrong. This looks really bad and as others said doesn't feel like Berserk at all.

 

[trejo]

This is hot garbage and whitewashed Casca is just the shit cherry to top it off.

Fucking disgraceful.

 

[Riposte]

Welp, I made a huge mistake rewatching the '97 anime right before this first new episode.

Ironically, while rewatching it, I thought "wow, I forgot how low budget this show was!" Quite often, the show had to resort to panning around still images to represent action scenes, and sometimes the backgrounds looked like they were watercolored on a 3x5 index card and zoomed in. 99% of the show had only shading tone for moving characters and objects.

But that show was saved by absolutely ace direction, a phenomenal soundtrack, and damn good drawing (even if the coloring or amount of animation frames weren't amazing). What was drawn was drawn well, and there were a number of striking and memorable painted still shots.

And this first new episode didn't have any of those saving qualities, unfortunately. It felt like a long trailer of random scenes stitched together with boring camera angles. I have not read the manga, so I'll have to watch a few more episodes to see if the show can build a good story, but I probably won't stick with it. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole season is paced like a highlights reel of the manga.

The animation is Berserk (1997) is pretty crappy, or at least cheap, and anyone referring to it as a great piece of animation is fooling themselves, but otherwise it's a masterwork in most other areas, as you've said. In light of the bewildering Kotaku review's comments on it, consider this striking collage of Berserk screenshots I've had saved for years:

 

[Mister Wilhelm]

Y'know, given that Berserk happens in a Crapsack World version of Medieval Europe, Casca could be of Roma descent. After all, Roma are both light and dark skinned.

This is what I always thought to be the case.

I never considered Casca to be black.

 

[chocoedd]

I was expecting Guilty Gear level of 3D animations. Not Tekken 2 CGI level.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Casca is of half Kushan descent.

 

[Forceatowulf]

Look.. there is a lot wrong with this anime so far... a lot (Skipping arcs, low frame-rate, shit music, ugly cgi, etc, etc). However, I was more than willing to forgive almost all of it because I'm a Berserk-Stan: but, I cannot forgive the light-skinned bullshit with Casca. Seriously though, are you fucking kidding me? She isn't just a bit lighter, she's straight up completely light now. I'm talking Guts light - if not lighter! They can fuck off with that horse shit.

This was my first and last episode of this new series. I eagerly await the new game though. Now that shit looks legit

 

[Systolique]

Well at least the Tekken 1 intro has a nice framerate

 

[Eric the Red]

oh...

no...

That was so bad. I don't like the direction in scenes, the music does no favors, Gut's characterization is already off 1 ep in. The whole point of the Black Swordsman section is to show how much the eclipse affected him. He's got this sadistic streak. He's driven to the point of losing any sense of self preservation. That way we get to see him slowly get pulled back from the brink.

Everyone's already went in on the CG I'm sure. I'll just add that it's also really bad at facial expressions which is, again, negatively affecting characterization.

 

[EdibleKnife]

Look.. there is a lot wrong with this anime so far... a lot (Skipping arcs, low frame-rate, shit music, ugly cgi, etc, etc). However, I was more than willing to forgive almost all of it because I'm a Berserk-Stan: but, I cannot forgive the light-skinned bullshit with Casca. Seriously though, are you fucking kidding me? She isn't just a bit lighter, she's straight up completely light now. I'm talking Guts light - if not lighter! They can fuck off with that horse shit.

This was my first and last episode of this new series. I eagerly await the new game though. Now that shit looks legit

I differ in that I don't find the art and CG as abysmal as everyone else but I couldn't agree more. Going back to reread the manga in exchange for staying away from this series.

 

[Mister Wilhelm]

Casca is of half Kushan descent.

That also makes sense. Was this ever confirmed?

 

[DrunkShogun]

That also makes sense. Was this ever confirmed?

Nothing has ever been confirmed other than the fact she lived on the borders between midland and chuder if I remember right. She could very well be but some doubts arise when silat didn't mention anything when he seems eager to restore the position of Kushan.

 

[DeviatePanda]

So i just watched the episode and I can't believe I was excited for it... This felt so...wrong. The fans deserve better than this.

 

[Badger]

I don't like the art style, but I enjoyed this, especially like some of the audio, like when his sword smacked through enemies.

 

[Ushay]

We really need a rich berserk fan to get involved with the franchise because it keeps getting the low budget treatment.

This is what annoys me the most, as I feel it's the one manga that deserves the best anime treatment,

 

[HStallion]

Nothing has ever been confirmed other than the fact she lived on the borders between midland and chuder if I remember right. She could very well be but some doubts arise when silat didn't mention anything when he seems eager to restore the position of Kushan.

Silat never really cared about the Kushan Empire as a whole especially with Ganishka in charge but simply wanted to restore his clan's honor and place in society. I'm guessing their fall with grace has something to do with Rakshas.

 

[Breads]

Silat never really cared about the Kushan Empire as a whole especially with Ganishka in charge but simply wanted to restore his clan's honor and place in society. I'm guessing their fall with grace has something to do with Rakshas.

Spoiler

IIRC his clan has been put out for centuries and I believe any involvement from Rakshas might be more personal or at the very least recent in nature than specifically having to do with the clan's fate.

Also after digesting it a bit I realize that I am less hopeful than I originally thought. I had hopes that returning to a more deliberately placed version of the story instead of the odd compilation of chapters we had in the first episode might benefit the series but that was thrown out the window once I realized the mental disconnect I had with it and the orignal series.

I cannot accept this Gutts as the original Anime's Gutts. However this anime plays out, success or failure this does not feel like the same character. That is how I feel at the moment.