You're right. MGSV's gameplay is like 10/10.
For me, the worst thing about this anime so far is the design of Guts, why is his head so angular?
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Berserk 2016 Anime |OT| Prelude to the CGI Boat
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For me, the worst thing about this anime so far is the design of Guts, why is his head so angular?
CrazyDiamond
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I'm pretty sure that PS2 game's cut scenes are a better representation of Berserk than this.
Just watched the first episode.
Holy shit that was dog shit. CG is shit and I don't know how can producers thought it would look good(is it that much cheaper to do than hand drawing?)
animations are bad, lacks atmosphere and faces are hot garbage except for Puck
Guts is not Griffith pretty, but he always looked handsome muscled guy for me
this new Guts face is annoying to look at
"VOMITS"
Holy shit that was dog shit. CG is shit and I don't know how can producers thought it would look good(is it that much cheaper to do than hand drawing?)
animations are bad, lacks atmosphere and faces are hot garbage except for Puck
Guts is not Griffith pretty, but he always looked handsome muscled guy for me
this new Guts face is annoying to look at
"VOMITS"
JadedWriter
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I'm contemplating watching this horse shit at work since I have no net at home currently...after work hours of course. Should I even bother? Sounds like dog shit, but I must experience the dog shit for myself.
there are some elements that are done ok i think, but overall, it's a hot mess.
JadedWriter
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Yeah I kind of wonder if the reviewer for Kotaku is at all familiar with Berserk outside of the new anime and the CGI movies because it doesn't seem like it at all.
Just watched the first episode.
Holy shit that was dog shit. CG is shit and I don't know how can producers thought it would look good(is it that much cheaper to do than hand drawing?)
animations are bad, lacks atmosphere and faces are hot garbage except for Puck
Guts is not Griffith pretty, but he always looked handsome muscled guy for me
this new Guts face is annoying to look at
"VOMITS"
What's sad though is that at parts it looks ok/good when it's not cg, but these (non cg) scenes are only about 10% of the anime. Even if it wouldn't use CG, there is still lack of direction, bad music, cut/jumbled arcs/character introductions and imo bad voice actors.
I'm really mad about this. Berserk is my favorite series in the anime/manga world.
I don't really like Hellsing Ultimate, but I'd wish that Berserk got the same treatment as a OVA series.
The Omega Man
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Japan can't keep getting away with this, in 2 years anime will be PS1-like CG at 5 fps.
The idea being bounced around some Berserk forums is that Miura basically signed off on a deal to adapt the entire series but it might not have been a very good deal on his end. Even after the CGI movies it seems like they were stuck adapting the work in the fashion they are now which really blows. Who know's how long or how many other adaptations are stuck with this deal but it seems we're stuck with it as much as Miura and crew for the moment.
Is Miura even making any decisions?
It's usually handled by the parent magazine that owns the series.
He is apparently working closely with the team on the Berserk Musou and he does have an EP credit on the new anime series. However it might be how of his hands in a lot of ways, budget and studio choice, etc.
Paltheos
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Mixed feelings towards this one, mostly negative.
The complaints allot of people have been making about combining story arcs are unneeded imo. The Black Swordsman and Lost Children arc aren't really that important in the grand scheme of things. For sure, they provide a reason for the Midland government to want Guts' head, but the finer details can be glossed over next episode when Guts is captured and that'll suffice. What they do otherwise isn't needed - They establish Guts as the hardened killer he is and expound on some of the details of the world of Berserk. Allot of viewers are already familiar with all this and those that aren't can be caught up quickly enough. The first episode sets the groundwork for Guts' character and some of the rules o the Berserk world, so it's fine in that respect. Not perfect for sure but entirely functional.
The bigger problem, for sure, is the CGI. Now, to be fair, I'd watched Kabaneri like immediately before this, and it's gorgeous, but Berserk 2016 is... jarring. Like, the frame rate felt off and I almost got dizzy watching it. Maybe my eyes just hadn't adjusted to watching full CGI bodies moving. Regular animation has the advantage of focusing the viewer's attention by distorting the bodies on-screen and that's not the case here. Aside from that, the art quality is... suspect. I like one close-up shot of Puck's face. That's about it. The rest looked... mannequin-like, both in art and especially animation. The use of parallel black-lines on bodies too to add detail in certain cuts clashes super hard and stands out like a sore thumb. It might work in certain production styles but on 3D CGI bodies? Yuk.
The complaints allot of people have been making about combining story arcs are unneeded imo. The Black Swordsman and Lost Children arc aren't really that important in the grand scheme of things. For sure, they provide a reason for the Midland government to want Guts' head, but the finer details can be glossed over next episode when Guts is captured and that'll suffice. What they do otherwise isn't needed - They establish Guts as the hardened killer he is and expound on some of the details of the world of Berserk. Allot of viewers are already familiar with all this and those that aren't can be caught up quickly enough. The first episode sets the groundwork for Guts' character and some of the rules o the Berserk world, so it's fine in that respect. Not perfect for sure but entirely functional.
The bigger problem, for sure, is the CGI. Now, to be fair, I'd watched Kabaneri like immediately before this, and it's gorgeous, but Berserk 2016 is... jarring. Like, the frame rate felt off and I almost got dizzy watching it. Maybe my eyes just hadn't adjusted to watching full CGI bodies moving. Regular animation has the advantage of focusing the viewer's attention by distorting the bodies on-screen and that's not the case here. Aside from that, the art quality is... suspect. I like one close-up shot of Puck's face. That's about it. The rest looked... mannequin-like, both in art and especially animation. The use of parallel black-lines on bodies too to add detail in certain cuts clashes super hard and stands out like a sore thumb. It might work in certain production styles but on 3D CGI bodies? Yuk.
You might want to reread the Lost Children Arc. While the Slug Count stuff isn't essential the Lost Children Arc is basically Guts coming back to reality from his time as the Black Swordsman but we've had this conversation several times in this thread alone. I'll just say its a hugely important arc to Guts.
What's sad though is that at parts it looks ok/good when it's not cg, but these (non cg) scenes are only about 10% of the anime. Even if it wouldn't use CG, there is still lack of direction, bad music, cut/jumbled arcs/character introductions and imo bad voice actors.
I'm really mad about this. Berserk is my favorite series in the anime/manga world.
I don't really like Hellsing Ultimate, but I'd wish that Berserk got the same treatment as a OVA series.
Yeah I agree. non CG scenes looked decent-good, but there are so little of them that I barely notice them sometimes.
I will still give episode 2 a chance and see maybe it gets better...
It pisses me off no end that Jojo gets this brilliant adaption from the very beginning that skips nothing. And yet Berserk gets shit on again and again and again.
I love Jojo and Berserk. Why can't Berserk get the love and respect it deserves?
I can't believe they skipped the Black Swordsman arc. This is the arc that introduces everything about the post Golden Age world. Guts being the Black Swordsman, all the apostles, hell they are even skipping him coming face to face with Griffith/Femto after the events of the eclipse.
Crazy, madness.
I love Jojo and Berserk. Why can't Berserk get the love and respect it deserves?
I can't believe they skipped the Black Swordsman arc. This is the arc that introduces everything about the post Golden Age world. Guts being the Black Swordsman, all the apostles, hell they are even skipping him coming face to face with Griffith/Femto after the events of the eclipse.
Crazy, madness.
Have you seen the episode titles? It's out. No doubt about it.
Turin Turambar
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For all intents and purposes, this an adaption being done straight for Berserk fans that know the story from the manga, the old anime or the movies, it isn't for new people.
And well, if we have to shout "they are skipping xx part!", we should shout about them skipping Lost Children arc, which imo is one of the best arcs in Berserk.
They have episode titles for all 24 episodes?
It would make zero sense to do the Lost Children Arc after
Griffith is Reborn
So it will probably happen going by the way they are adapting the material so far.
EP01 竜殺しの大剣 --> Ryuugoroshi no Daiken --> The large Dragonslayer's sword
EP02 聖鉄鎖騎士団 --> Sei Tessa Kishidan --> The Holy Iron Chain Knights
EP03 奇跡の夜 --> Kiseki no Yoru --> The night of Miracles
EP04 啓示--> Keiji --> Revelations
EP05 断罪の塔 --> Danzai no Tou --> Tower of Conviction
There are literally 19 more episodes and AFAIK we don't know when they will do the Hill of Swords.
Skipping Lost Children is an enormous chunk of content, it will most likely be reworked, not ignored.
My point is storywise, unless they do a flashback, it would not fit at all for so many different reasons. Same with the Slug Count. I mean they can do it, but it will be terrible if they attempt to.
shadow_shogun
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To prep for this, I rewatched all 25 episodes of the 1997 anime, and the 3 movies back to back over the weekend.
It's probably my hype for the return of Berserk that skewing my opinions but I thought the first episode of (of the 2016 anime) was awesome. Going by most of the comments, I was expecting this to be a train wreck, glad I ended up loving it.
Cannot wait for the second episode.
It's probably my hype for the return of Berserk that skewing my opinions but I thought the first episode of (of the 2016 anime) was awesome. Going by most of the comments, I was expecting this to be a train wreck, glad I ended up loving it.
Cannot wait for the second episode.
It won't be entirely faithful to the source material, but it might be more watchable to not have Guts take on some of these things by himself, rather than have him weather through disciple after disciple solo.
Think about it, they introduced Isidro super early, way before he's supposed to appear, they want the gang to get together faster than it happens in the manga. As long as the gang also gets to witness Guts at his lowest points, and he does some of the crazy stuff he's known to do, it won't be that bad.
Host Samurai
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Mixed feelings. I didn't hate it but didn't love it. Seems like the story seemed like it was skipping around a bit. Might make manga readers a bit confused. At some points I thought it looked good and others really bad. I do like the manga like shading, but hate the terrible clean CG. If they just kept the manga style art shading I'd be much happier.
I guess we won't see Andre? hopefully some of the missing battles and chapters will be told in a flash back. There is no reason to rush this anime as the manga takes forever, but I have a feeling we are gonna get a butchered Tower of Conviction Arc.
Shouldn't they do flashback scenes from when Guts fought that Kushin guy in that arena? It will lessen his impact on the story to just skip over it.
Hopefully the new video game doesn't cut any content.
I always hate it when an anime butchers content. People complained about Naruto with loads of filler, but at least the content is intact, which is most important. Gantz suffered from butchered content as well.
I guess we won't see Andre? hopefully some of the missing battles and chapters will be told in a flash back. There is no reason to rush this anime as the manga takes forever, but I have a feeling we are gonna get a butchered Tower of Conviction Arc.
Shouldn't they do flashback scenes from when Guts fought that Kushin guy in that arena? It will lessen his impact on the story to just skip over it.
Hopefully the new video game doesn't cut any content.
I always hate it when an anime butchers content. People complained about Naruto with loads of filler, but at least the content is intact, which is most important. Gantz suffered from butchered content as well.
Going by what happens in all these arcs compared to how Guts actually acts and thinks after the Conviction arc. No it would make absolutely no sense storywise. They can make the attempt but it sounds like it would be an absolute trainwreck of an idea.
Turin Turambar
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That ideas is ridiculous. As always most of Internet can't get more than one neuron to work at the same time.
What it would mean "stuck adapting the work the in the fashion they are now". What is fashion here, CGI? Why would they put that limit in a contract? For what purpose it would serve?
Most surely, they are using CGI because it's cheaper. And it has to be cheap because there is no one (with money) who believes Berserk would be a money maker in the actual market.
That's the truth.
The series in Japan are usually owned by the author, not the publisher. If Miura decides to stop Berserk it wold stop, that's it, the published couldn't hire someone to continue it or make "Berserk - the golden Years" or anything like that. But it's true these kind of decisions are done by the publisher or a committee, to whom the author surely have sold the rights of his work for tv adaptions for x years.
If they properly adapted Gantz but ended with a musical dance number, that would have been an improvement over the source material.
As in well before we even saw the Berserk CGI movies Miura supposedly made mention of signing on to adapt "the entire" series, this was years and years ago. The problem being that maybe like Marvel did with Spiderman once upon a time, he might have signed the rights for Berserk away and now has little say over what happens with his story, characters, etc. When I say continued to adapt the storyline in a certain fashion I wasn't referring to the art style, CGI graphics or anything else, I was totally referring to the fact that the movies were poor adaptations and it seems like its continuing down that road, if not getting worse.
Jex
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Could you elaborate on what, exactly, you liked about the episode? Could you describe it?
Genuinely curious. Not trying to be snarky here.
True Savior
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I think it's popular. For all the discussions we have about how slow Berserk releases are, last volume released was in the top 3 of sales in the week-release. It's one of the top 10 best selling seinen mangas of all time.
The better question is how popular Berserk is with the Otaku who are the ones who spend all the money on anime and anime related products in modern day Japan.
Dude, how/why would you put the Lost Children chapter after
Guts rescues Casca and Griffith is reborn
I believe we already have a few more titles, actually.
Right after
Griffith is reborn
You can bet that tree thing was all you'll ever see of that chapter.
And there would be zero reason for them to skip a chapter they could adapt right now just to then try and squeeze it back as some flashback later on in the same TV series. It just wouldn't make sense. I mean, they've made some weird decisions so far (a bit of an euphemism), sure, but that would be too inane even for them.
Nah, they probably just wanted
all of Guts' future group
Forgetting about Gantz altogether would be an improvement over the source material.
JadedWriter
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Why is Guts not half naked covered in a fuckton of blood in the opening as the retell the Golden Age arc? Why is Isidro even in the first ep? Dis music, why? My fucking ears.
TOM f'N CRUISE
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we had such great music the first time around this generic crap makes it feel boring
JadedWriter
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Doesn't Guts rescue Puck in the manga and then starts insulting him or something? I'm not even sure how Puck even got away currently. Also how are they going to establish the friendship between Guts and Puck without the Slug Count stuff?
JadedWriter
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Guys...I don't think Isidro is related to some dude that was carting Guts around randomly. Even fucking Femto looks like dogshit. How the fuck they going to allow Femto to look like dogshit. Dude looks like fucking cel shaded Bat Manuel from the Tick. Fuck whomever made that shit, that just physically fucking hurt.
Such a popular and known manga gets this shit treatment... You know what? Not better than nothing. If you're not going to even try then don't bother. At least before I had hope that this would get the adaptation it deserves but now I know that it will have been adapted and won't be adapted the second time, properly.
JadedWriter
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It's like they're using the Berserk fan base as a sacrifice.
If I was a billionaire, I would totally do a Game of Thrones style series of Berserk. Start to end, faithfully (with the direction of the first anime). Then when it's clear that the series will overtake the manga, Kentaro Miura spills the beans like G.R.R. Martin did, and we can finish the story properly. If only....
Branded with mediocrity :l
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