JadedWriter
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If I'm not mistaken Hirasawa's music influenced Berserk.
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Berserk 2016 Anime |OT| Prelude to the CGI Boat
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This actually makes me feel pretty good. The source material deserves more attention.
I still need to complete my collection. I had my hopes and dreams dashed a few years back when a huge chunk of my collection (both English and Japanese versions) were destroyed due to a water leak.
I have some thoughts on ep 1.
Context: Been reading the manga since...2003 I think. So 13 years. I think I watched the first anime in 2002.
Good things:
-The atmosphere captures a pretty good, dark mood. It's got the right vibe.
-Soundtrack is decent so far. Not Hirasawa level, but again, captures the right type of feel (although I do feel Sagisu's best work is probably behind him).
-The 2D animation that is there is pretty decent.
-Although they're skipping tons of material, they did a decent job of coming up with a first episode that introduces Puck, Isidoro and Farnese, while illustrating the life of Guts as the black swordsman
-Voice acting is decent
-Some of the 3D modelling is alright.
-Right level of violence for a new Berserk series. I mean, you can't really do Berserk without it.
Bad Things
-The majority of the CGI animation is crappy.
-The worst moments of the CG are worse than even the movies. Puck's model on closeup is abysmal and the spider apostle thing was like a bad joke.
-Some of the music seems a bit cheesy
Overall my impressions were probably more positive than most people, but the worst moments o the CGI are definitely hard to watch. That being said, I'll probably continue to watch it for the entire season. I actually enjoyed it more than the movies, despite them being higher budget. Maybe it's just that it's finally to content I care about seeing animated, or maybe it's because I like the atmosphere more. I'm not sure, but it's at least watchable enough to have my attention.
Context: Been reading the manga since...2003 I think. So 13 years. I think I watched the first anime in 2002.
Good things:
-The atmosphere captures a pretty good, dark mood. It's got the right vibe.
-Soundtrack is decent so far. Not Hirasawa level, but again, captures the right type of feel (although I do feel Sagisu's best work is probably behind him).
-The 2D animation that is there is pretty decent.
-Although they're skipping tons of material, they did a decent job of coming up with a first episode that introduces Puck, Isidoro and Farnese, while illustrating the life of Guts as the black swordsman
-Voice acting is decent
-Some of the 3D modelling is alright.
-Right level of violence for a new Berserk series. I mean, you can't really do Berserk without it.
Bad Things
-The majority of the CGI animation is crappy.
-The worst moments of the CG are worse than even the movies. Puck's model on closeup is abysmal and the spider apostle thing was like a bad joke.
-Some of the music seems a bit cheesy
Overall my impressions were probably more positive than most people, but the worst moments o the CGI are definitely hard to watch. That being said, I'll probably continue to watch it for the entire season. I actually enjoyed it more than the movies, despite them being higher budget. Maybe it's just that it's finally to content I care about seeing animated, or maybe it's because I like the atmosphere more. I'm not sure, but it's at least watchable enough to have my attention.
shadow_shogun
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Very fair. Your thoughts mirror mine, only thing dissimilar is I'm apathetic towards the animation.
JadedWriter
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This probably the happiest either character has ever been. Even when Guts had sex with Casca the dude was emotionally torn up over it.
I always wondered was he torn up over it because he loved Casca or because she was being taken away from him?
JadedWriter
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I think he was emotionally torn up over it because the dude has severe touch issues due to...did you read the manga?
Yeap, Miura listens to it while he writes berserk and I'm pretty sure he personally asked Hirasawa to compose the music for the old anime and movies
Yes, I've read the whole thing up to the boat part. What do you mean touch issues?
JadedWriter
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Guts goes Berserk whenever somebody touches him. It's due to him being raped as a kid so he really has severe mental duress whenever he's touched by a person so him having sex with Casca made him go nuts and he chocked her afterwards.
Too bad Hirasawa can't come back fully for the series. Berserk just ain't the same without this song.
Guts Theme
Guts straight up freaks out and starts choking Casca when he has a flashback to his rape as a kid
This entire article hurts me inside.
The more I read, the more I can't believe what I'm reading. I respect people having different opinions about anime, but this is too much even for me. I don't mind the writer actually enjoying the new 2016 version but dragging the original through the mud like this... why?
The more I read, the more I can't believe what I'm reading. I respect people having different opinions about anime, but this is too much even for me. I don't mind the writer actually enjoying the new 2016 version but dragging the original through the mud like this... why?
She seems like a fairweather fan of Berserk if she even knew much about the property at all before this. It just screams of someone who has gotten most of the Berserk knowledge through others and is just regurgitating a lot of tired crap that came form half assed fans in the first place. I'm surprised she didn't bitch about Miura playing IdolMaster or how they haven't gotten off the boat yet.
JadedWriter
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She probably doesn't even know of the boat. I don't even like how The Holy Iron Chain Knight and Isisdro were seen before Guts was.
Sumio Mondo
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Nah, Guts was the most happy after he made love to Casca, you can see it all over his face since she took him as he was and accepted him despite his faults and issues. True love, right there.
Tizoc
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As awesome as that is, there are new printed editions in the work from dark horse ^^;
Thank God. Maybe they'll decide they actually like making money and finally release a digital version of the series.
JadedWriter
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Am I misremembering that part or did Guts really choke Casca? I'm not saying he didn't love her or enjoy himself, I just remember the dude chocking out Casca after having sex with her cause that dude seemed confused after it.
Sumio Mondo
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The Log Lady:
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JadedWriter
Member
Ok thanks, for some odd reason I remember that the other way around. I thought it was sex first then choke, been a couple of months since I read it and I sort of just speed read the whole thing, my fault. Guts' view of sex is way different from Griffith's, Griffith just sees it as an empowerment thing if I'm not mistaken. It took Guts a long time to see it as a mutual bond between two people.
True Savior
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Reposting from the Berserk OT as it concerns the anime
https://twitter.com/DemiFiendRSA
From anime expo in a panel with the Berserk director.
12 episodes (make sense considering the pace the episode titles showed).
3rd episode is entirely new (considering that they can't animate Guts fucking a demon, obviously what happens here would be an heresy so they probably asked to change it heavily).
https://twitter.com/DemiFiendRSA
From anime expo in a panel with the Berserk director.
12 episodes (make sense considering the pace the episode titles showed).
3rd episode is entirely new (considering that they can't animate Guts fucking a demon, obviously what happens here would be an heresy so they probably asked to change it heavily).
Corpsepyre
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Those shadows!!!!!!!!! WTF?! My eyes!
Its a bit off topic but If anyone wants to know what an actual good looking CGI animation based on an anime/manga looks like check out this clip from the Gantz CGI and see how badly they botched the Berserk anime. Using CGI is no excuse for the ugly animation or anything else when something like this exists and is fully CGI:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43WgTJGjU98&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43WgTJGjU98&feature=youtu.be
I don't know why they didn't go full CG like this upcoming Gantz movie (or Final Fantasy Kingsglaive) or just went with a OVA series like Hellsing Ultimate instead of this thing they are doing.
Yeah Gantz 3D looks pretty cool. I'd have been satisfied with an OVA series if it meant better animation and less content.
Turin Turambar
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Reposting from the Berserk OT as it concerns the anime
https://twitter.com/DemiFiendRSA
From anime expo in a panel with the Berserk director.
12 episodes (make sense considering the pace the episode titles showed).
3rd episode is entirely new (considering that they can't animate Guts fucking a demon, obviously what happens here would be an heresy so they probably asked to change it heavily).
What I what to know if what was the answer to the question fo the first tweet.
keltickennedy
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Nah, I'll say it. That dude is wrong. 80s 90s anime is still the best anime. The grit, the handcrafted nature of it all...It's really hard to find stuff like that these days. Everything now looks too clean a sterile.
umop_3pisdn
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But that question is already the answer to the question "how played out can a joke get?"
An episode written by Miura? Sign me up!
This entire article hurts me inside.
The more I read, the more I can't believe what I'm reading. I respect people having different opinions about anime, but this is too much even for me. I don't mind the writer actually enjoying the new 2016 version but dragging the original through the mud like this... why?
Are you telling me you can't see the amazing textures?
Seriously,I don't know what they're thinking with the armor. Either go full CGI look or leave those metal shaders out of it.
SpaceBridge
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So I'm gonna go read the manga now, from the beginning even though I saw the 90's season.
That being said and avoiding spoilers: has Beserk the manga ended?
That being said and avoiding spoilers: has Beserk the manga ended?
The Silver
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not even close to ending
Omegabalmung9
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Nope still ongoing but moving at a snails pace.
I'd say it still needs at least another 100 chapters to really end conclusively, so probably at least 15 years even if the pace were to speed up.
CrazyDiamond
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So I rewatched the first movie and I forgot that Guts looks like a Joestar in the Phantom Blood/Battle Tendency art style; it was really weird.
It's kinda close. Between 1/3 to 1/4th left according to my second hand accounts of interviews someone else read.
hosannainexcelsis
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Both early Jojo and Berserk are surely influenced by the art of Fist of the North Star. Kenshiro bears resemblance to both Guts and Jonathan Joestar.
The Silver
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I'm accounting for hiatuses/pace too, so not even close
CrazyDiamond
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Except that Guts in the manga and in the 97 anime looks nothing like any of the Joestars or Kenshiro save for being muscular and having thick eyebrows in fact I'm pretty sure Miura said that Guts' appearance was based on Rutger Hauer. Like look at this;
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compared to the manga
and the 97 anime
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