Producer: We wanted to make the Rape Horse a new companion for Guts but Miura shot us down. We had a wonderful character arc and the budding romance with Farnese would have broken new ground!
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Berserk 2016 Anime |OT| Prelude to the CGI Boat
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Producer: We wanted to make the Rape Horse a new companion for Guts but Miura shot us down. We had a wonderful character arc and the budding romance with Farnese would have broken new ground!
JadedWriter
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Further down the line the horse was going to become great friends with Schierke as well.
BassForever
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Something was gonna get broken
JadedWriter
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Rape Horse is integral to the Berserk experience.
Just be glad we arent getting to the troll village and Quilpoth in this series. We would get a slide show off images before and after that part so they could render it all in the highest quality possible
FF Seraphim
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Wait what?
They are going to skip over the
troll village?
Berserk Armor
chicagocubsfan
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Can't wait for the Gamestop Exclusive preorder DLC.
MetroidPrimeRib
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People handwaving away every issue with this show with the magical and nebulous "budget" are being disingenuous.
I'm not waving all its problems away with that, but that is a realistic problem. Sure, a lot of problems lie in the studio and the director. I'm talking about cut content specially, not how it looked. I just went on to wonder why they couldn't use 4c and suspected it might be because the budget is cheap.
ASilentProtagonist
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Madhouse will save us all one day....
JadedWriter
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Order now and get the sword raping skill set for Farnese
Its possible but I don't see us getting anywhere near that far unless they cut out large sections of the manga and rush through what's left.
Madhouse are the masters of adaptation.
MetroidPrimeRib
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I'm gonna try and break this down. I'm by no means an expert on the industry (I don't read Japanese so I can't be) but this is a real thing I see amongst Western anime fans at every turn.
The concept of "Budget." This is a gaming forum. A primarily American gaming forum. I can totally see why people would ascribe such power to budgeting, because more money = better looking product. That makes sense. But you'll never see people actually elaborate on why its an issue or a positive. I'm not going to be too critical because like I said, it's actually quite hard to get any concrete information on anime because nearly all of it is in Japanese and you have to look for it anyway, but for whatever reasons - regardless of where you go - the Western fandom has locked onto budget as the God of all that has ever happened for anime. Budget giveth, budget taketh away. As far as I know boards like 2ch don't ascribe to this.
Go into any thread after a good or bad episode of an anime and you will see -
First off think about how that actually makes no sense and that's not how budgets work. "We're going to spend xxxxx amount of Yen on this episode so we won't spend that much on the next one." That's not how anything works. Want to know the real reason that episode looked better? Maybe check the staff listings. If you can't read Japanese or they aren't translated, maybe look for people on Twitter or sites that track that kind of stuff. I'm going to use the last JoJo Diamond is Unbreakable episode as an example because it aired on the same day as Berserk - people said the episode looked weaker and what do you know, all the key animation was done by one guy. That's impressive on its own. That's the kind of "budgeting" you'd actually see, having more talent or less talent on an episode because others are working on the next ones.
As for why the studio went for the awful CGI look, that's probably what the production committee wanted. Perhaps Berserk is meant to be a training program for the lagging Japanese CGI scene, much like how King of Fighters XIV is being begrudged because it doesn't look very good. KOFXIV looks like crap because SNK wants to start training their staff that are already experts on 2d art on 3d art because that's where they believe the market to be headed.
I'm sure a lot of people in here watched One Punch Man, which has amazing fight scenes. It looks pretty mediocre on average, but those fight scenes! So it must have a big budget right? No. The director states that OPM has a strictly average budget, and its due to the passion of the staff that they achieved the highs the show had. Anime is a very passion driven business - if you weren't passionate about it you'd get another job.
awilliams213
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Outside of the intro song this thread is the best part of the series. I love reading the reactions to each episode.
meltingparappa
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As an aside, grind my gears how the intro has about a full second of silence before the song starts. I makes me feel like my stream is buffering when it actually isn't.
I see what you mean, but that's not how I meant it. I'm no expert either. I wasn't saying it was saving it's budget or the like. I'm very aware there are amazing studios who can something awesome with little to no budget. I know things reflect on the staff too. I was never talking about quality, just responding to cut content and what I believe might have happened (just like you're doing).
You were quick to call me disingenuous because of the pattern you described above, but it's not necessary to immediately lump me together with others. That can shut down a discussion pretty quickly.
MetroidPrimeRib
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I don't mean it to come off as a callout and I apologize if it felt that way. Even though I replied to you I wasn't directing it at you, more at this thread/others in general.
True Savior
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The show lacks any kind of animation, either 3d or 2d (which basically exists only in crazy closeups). If they have the chance they skip any kind of rendition of movement (you can see this clearly in the actions scenes). An episode has more closeups than a Leone duel. No one does this as an option. It's obvious they have no resources whatsoever. Even the still art which they pan is ugly as fuck (maybe they can't afford decent artists).
It doesnt mean more budget would make something better (especially with this "creative" team), but this is an extremely low budget show.
It doesnt mean more budget would make something better (especially with this "creative" team), but this is an extremely low budget show.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Do you have any kind of source stating that this show was made on the cheap at all? Anything at all? I'd love to see it.
If I had to assume, I'd assume the show is sitting somewhere near 4m USD. According to the director of Shirobako most 13 episode show is around 150k an episode. I'm unsure if the CGI costs more or less bit I'd think that cg animators are paid better since there are less of them.
Sölf;210215070 said:
Got to sell those BDs. She had them in places, they just didn't give them color.
spiderman123
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Question, are CGI nipples are prohibited ?!
Sumio Mondo
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I do wonder why the studio changed, does Miura decide who gets what or is it really up to Young Animal who decides and Miura just gives his blessing? Either way, I think Studio 4c were bad too, but not this bad.
MetroidPrimeRib
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Don't think so. If the show was airing on the channel AX in a late night timeslot they could show them. I dunno what channel this is airing on and if its a choice made by the staff or because the channel doesnt allow it
The production committee (which would probably include the magazine and Miura) decides. When Miura gives his blessing its likely in the very Japanese way of wishing the team luck etc etc
God, the party cave. It will be horrible.
JadedWriter
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Most of the budget probably went directly to that.
hosannainexcelsis
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Animators get paid by the cut. They do not get paid based on the quality of their drawings. Hiring a good animator is not more expensive than hiring a mediocre or bad animator. Although the good animator is more likely to be in heavy demand, and so it may be more difficult to get one for your project if you don't have the right connections. The short of it is that budgeting time is way more important for the quality of a project than budgeting money. The less time is available to work on a given episode, the less even skilled animators will be able to turn out quality work.
RubberLuffy
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Attack on Titan is a good example of how little "budget" means, with at least 1 episode having almost 40 people working on the animation in a desperate attempt to finish the episode on time. They probably had a good budget (huge property, etc), but WIT's time management and such was fucking awful, and it led to them just having to throw animators at it in desperation. And the show still aired numerous episodes that featured unfinished scenes hidden with panning shots or stills, and unfinished CGI.
And this Berserk series is a mess and people shouldn't accept it. If you love chicken, and you go to a restaurant and they serve you chicken that is completely raw, do you just shrug and say "well it's raw, but it's still chicken" and eat the whole thing?
And this Berserk series is a mess and people shouldn't accept it. If you love chicken, and you go to a restaurant and they serve you chicken that is completely raw, do you just shrug and say "well it's raw, but it's still chicken" and eat the whole thing?
MetroidPrimeRib
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Almost like working on a good schedule might be more important then cash in this business, hmm
DEAD RABBIT
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Funny how displaying nipples is a no no, but a possessed horse wanting to rape a little girl is just fine.
FF Seraphim
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More than likely you are right but I really want to see the
Berserk Armor
Of course we are getting the new Berserk game which I hope does the series justice.
But the horse was possessed so it's fine. /s
I thought she looked very awkward without them. Like something was out of place and it distracted me for most of the episode :l
Passion is also important
no way in hell the people working on this have any love for Berserk.
Compare this to the Jojo anime (any season)
I'm willing to bet that the budgets are fairly comparable.
But by God the level of quality between them is enormous.
Also the new PS4 game is already looking leaps and bounds better than this dreck.
SolarPowered
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Such a shame. The Lost Children story and the besieged village really contain a lot of great moments. In the latter we get to see Isidro's pride shattered, Serpico fighting for an extended amount of time, Guts' first
fight against a God Hand
witchcraft
rape and birth
If Farnese is a "little girl" then pretty much all of GAF are pedos. She must be at least twenty.
Didn't watch the episode. I'm gonna feel dumb if there was another victim besides Farnese
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