JadedWriter
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Where was pucks reaction when Farnese tried to rape the dragonslayer?
When you say stuff like " I don't get the vitriol at all" and then have the reasons people don't like it explained to you only to follow up with "i don't care about that" and top it off with a "sorry you don't like it!" idk what kind of reaction you expect.
However you are right my post was a bit rude and i apologize for that. It is certainly okay to like the show.
They were just better off pulling the assets for the rape horse directly out of Bloodborne.I sorta wanna watch this show to see that horse.
What do you like about the show Melkezadek? Would you reocmmend it to someone that hasnt read the manga? Need some differing opinions in here.
Thank you for the apology. No, still don't get the vitriol. Are they fair criticisms? Absolutely and I share some of them (I'm not a fan of 3D work at all) But I don't understand how people see it as the "worst thing ever!!!111"
That is what I mean by vitriol. I don't think the flaws make it unwatchable.
Writer Cecilia D'Anastasio applauded the opening episode in a review published by Kotaku, going so far as to state that it "already outshines the 90's original." Though, noting the series' sub-par animation quality, D'Anastasio concluded, "Berserk is not for the faint-hearted. But The Branded Swordsman proved to me that directors of fighting-heavy anime are making more of an effort to beautify and civilize the genre, doing justice to manga that showcases writing and ingenuity.
Critics seem to love this series so far:
I sorta wanna watch this show to see that horse.
What do you like about the show Melkezadek? Would you reocmmend it to someone that hasnt read the manga? Need some differing opinions in here.
Its not unwatchable its just not very well made and sorry some people got aggressive with you but you are kind of ignoring the points I and several others have made saying its a pretty poor adaptation and a poor anime at that. You can still enjoy it and many do but compare its 3D artwork to even a show like Knights of Sidonia and you can see they really skimped out in several areas. Its not that its just CG art but its poorly done CG art. Combine that with the other issues people have and it kills the show for many.
Good lord don't listen to the Kotaku review. It sounds like the reviewer has never even experienced Berserk or watched an anime before with some of the comments she makes.
To be honest, of the interesting parts of the show to me, is the fact that they have rearranged so many parts from the manga. With the series being as old as it is, I wonder if they had gone this route in hopes to trim it up a bit (they're only doing 25ish episodes, no?)
Aside from 3D animation, I do like the actual line work so far. There are plenty of shots that I've seen that I'd like to draw, which hasn't happened in awhile for me.
If one hasn't read the manga, I guess it could be slightly confusing. If you've seen the movie then it shouldn't be too bad, but I always advice reading the manga for better context. I don't even feel the movies captured the weight of everything properly.
I'm not ignoring the point, I just don't agree with them. Stuff like art, music, sound, is all subjective. I don't watch a ton of anime, so those comparisons don't really mean much to me at all. Personally, I don't like any 3D I've seen in any new anime, including the newer Berserk movies.
All subjective and I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm a Berserk fan and I'm enjoying. I'm allowed to express that without being attacked.
Im gonna try and pick up a copy of the first volume from my local comic shop after work today. Ive watched the 90s anime series though. What is the anime supposed to cover exactly? Just one arc like the 90s version?
I just dont want a situation where watching it ruins the experience of reading the manga.
Well as someone who watches a decent amount of anime this production is about as amateur hour as it gets and that is not subjective. They really cheaped out in a ton of areas and I am by no means exaggerating that claim that many of the backgrounds look like they were yanked out of a PS2 game. They are so blurry and undefined its actually a little embarrassing that they put it out like that.
You can refer to subjective all you want but I'll just state its not subjective that the art comes nowhere close to the manga. Its nowhere subjective that they are really chopping up the story because they cut entire arcs and are putting things together piece meal. Its not subjective that the animation is of poor quality because it is, its got barely enough frames to look as good as somebody using a flip book to animate.
I'll miss your eclipse-fun-time-with-Guts avatar HStalionThe original anime covers the very first story of the first volume with the Snake Baron and then there is another black swordsman arc that was not adapted that features another apostle known as the Slug Count. The original anime picks up right after that and covers something like the first 12 to 13 volumes. This anime covers volumes 15 to 16 up to maybe the early 20's.
I just don't understand how you can expect anyone to seriously consider your position when it's so utterly focused on your own perspective.None of that is bad on its own. Again, you can throw your weight around with your animation expertise, but all art is subjective. Just because it doesn't look like the manga doesn't mean it looks awful. Just because the story is rearranged doesn't mean it's terrible. And I've already stated I don't like the 3D animation.
So is the original 97' anime only available on dvd? Its not on Hulu or something? I know its not on Crunchyroll.
I just don't understand how you can expect anyone to seriously consider your position when it's so utterly focused on your own perspective.
The intent and impact of art is subjective. The quality of execution can be at least evaluated somewhat objectively. And it's bottom of the barrel in this case.
You can't just use "Everything is subjective" as a way to shut down criticism. If you don't want to see people disliking something you like, it would be better to not look at online discussions about it.
There's a very nice looking BD in Japan, but at least in the US it's not licensed for streaming or discs.
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The budget is tiny for this project. Frame rates are measurable. Textures are comparable.How can there be any discussion when it's already been decided that it's garbage?
People are telling me that I shouldn't enjoy this work because it's objective bad by some "standard".
I'm sorry, but I just don't buy into that nonsense. It's fine that others no not like it, but I'm not going to agree that it's "bottom of the barrel" if I simply do not agree with that statement.
The budget is tiny for this project. Frame rates are measurable. Textures are comparable.
Those are the standards applied here. You are welcome to cross your arms in the name of the absolute subjectivity of any and all art, but the production values of this show aren't really up for discussion.
This is the pinnacle.
Of what, I'm not sure, but it sure is the pinnacle of something.
I'm sorry but where did I say anywhere that this wasn't a budgeted project? Where did I make any claims on the brilliant animation?
With the same logic, people look rather silly complaining about funky animation and suspects "textures" when the budget is, by your own words, tiny.
Seems strange.
Remember guys, everyone said Dragonball Supers art and animation looked downright terrible and now people cant stop talking about how good the show is. Maybe the same will apply here.
So because the budget is small we can't call out the effects of that tiny budget?
I'm not the one who brought the budget into it. He's the one who pointed it out so show points of objectivity on it being "bad". If we're going to use that as a bullet point, then it seems strange the criticize it as harshly as other productions.
I don't know it seems apt to complain about things that are, well, there. Like many people questioned why you would trust this staff with a Berserk adaptation in the first place. So if anything, the criticism has been consistent.I'm sorry but where did I say anywhere that this wasn't a budgeted project? Where did I make any claims on the brilliant animation?
With the same logic, people look rather silly complaining about funky animation and suspects "textures" when the budget is, by your own words, tiny.
Seems strange.
Why is it strange? Small budget makes for weak animation, art and so on. That's it. You seem to be taking an affront to the fact we're pointing this stuff out as reasons why a lot of people aren't satisfied.
Critics seem to love this series so far:
From reddit threads to crunchy roll comments and gamefaqs topics, it seems the general consensus seem to be that of a positive one.
You and others are being very severe in your opinions. I get that you feel strongly about it but you are very much parading your opinion over his. Not attacking per say, but close to it.Who is attacking you? Sounds like you're getting defensive because I'm trying to explain to you the seemingly hard to get idea that a lot of people are disappointed by what they see as a poor adaptation. Yes you like it but too many the rather glaring issues are too much to take and I can't blame them. If it was just one thing like poor art or lack luster animation but everything else was solid I don't think people would care as much but right now there are severe issues for many on just about every level.
You and others are being very severe in your opinions. I get that you feel strongly about it but you are very much parading your opinion over his. Not attacking per say, but close to it.
This is the pinnacle.
Of what, I'm not sure, but it sure is the pinnacle of something.
On the whole, anime fans are awful and not worth swallowing the salt.EDIT: No, I'm not wasting my time arguing with people over an anime. Not happening. Out.
On the whole, anime fans are awful and not worth swallowing the salt.
The ratking of western otaku will herald the second coming with something like Attack on Titan or Sword Art Online, while immediately spouting dismissive memes towards 'When Marnie Was There' or even 'Erased' - over something as bizarre as an unsightly spring/autumn ship not coming to fruition by the end.
The order of insufferable fandoms go, from most generally tolerant to most prone to obnoxiously steam roll anyone who dares has lived a different life to produce a different point of view:
The very premise of sharing your opinion on a message board is based upon respectful disagreement, but jesus christ that's some gamefaq-caliber ad-hominem attacks last page.
- Gamers (excluding twitch or the obvious boogiemen)
- Film fans who follow are obcessed with box office performance as a metric of quality
- Music snobs
- Literal pearls rolled in front of some indignant swine
- Anime fans
- Steven Universe fans (who only get the bottom slot because the fandom literally tried to kill a human being)
That said, I love how divisive this series has been. Even if the series was 2D, that horse would be a pretty wild introduction to the world for someone who is experiencing the world for the first time.
This is the stuff of nightmares
2016.
Berserk
I do have a full awareness that I'm inherently calling the kettle black, yes. Despite the broad strokes in that post, I feel reticent to specifically shoot down a specific persons opinion and personal sense of taste with the same silencing fervor that this thread has taken.Perhaps you should add yourself to that list as the person who comes into a thread to make a broad generalization about a group of people that has been made a million times before and act like you said something profound and insightful when you're just parroting the same tired meme's about fan groups. That sound about right?
I do have a full awareness that I'm inherently calling the kettle black, yes. Despite the broad strokes in that post, I feel reticent to specifically shoot down a specific persons opinion and personal sense of taste with the same silencing fervor that this thread has taken.
Having Gamers at the top of your list tells me you haven't seen Final Fantasy fans on some other sites arguing over which number was the best![]()
This is the stuff of nightmares
This thread has gotten really tense.
Have some delightful Puck!
There were a few other funny Puck pics I would have posted, but spoilers and whatnot.