They're rereleasing the series in Japan with updated cover art and a few other changes. The US will apparently be getting something similar from Dark Horse.
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Berserk 2016 Anime |OT| Prelude to the CGI Boat
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They're rereleasing the series in Japan with updated cover art and a few other changes. The US will apparently be getting something similar from Dark Horse.
ah crud
that's going to be annoying as hell because i have an incomplete set and now it's gonna be different?
The art in many cases remains the same but they have a white border/spine now.
Interesting.
I live in France. There's a Japanese secondhand bookstore in my area, but I don't know which volumes they have, if any. And they probably won't have the rereleases.
How many volumes have they rereleased in Japan so far?
Damn at least watch the movies or original series. Most of this makes zero sense without them. Its like jumping into Game of Thrones with a Storm of Swords.
JadedWriter
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I guess never watching a better version of Berserk is one of those ignorance is bliss scenarios.
if you love this then you got stuff that's a million times better and has actual context ahead of you if you decide to dive in
JadedWriter
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But the older stuff is just stills put to music right?
Lol, still can't believe people bring up that complaint.
Finally got around to watching 4. This one was actually really good. I think the framing and shot composition in this episode was a step up so they hid the weakness of the 3D a lot better. As per usual there was some god awful stuff that made me laugh out loud.
Mozgus was great but the way they introduced his torturers was pretty tepid.
I think this shows biggest weakness is actually its pacing. It's just gunning it through everything without giving the material room to breath or atmosphere to build up.
Next week episode looks pretty cool too.
Mozgus was great but the way they introduced his torturers was pretty tepid.
I think this shows biggest weakness is actually its pacing. It's just gunning it through everything without giving the material room to breath or atmosphere to build up.
Next week episode looks pretty cool too.
FlashbladeGAF
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Check out the 3 movies for the events that led up to what you are watching now.
Badlucktroll
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Does this series take place entirely after the 1997 series that i loved so much?!
Yes but in a very haphazard way that excises large chunks of the story and then makes up some new stuff for some reason. So yes but how well it does that? That's a whole other thing.
JadedWriter
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In a way yes, we'll never get that part where Guts has sex with a demon and then kills her animated though. That was one of my many, "this shit is metal as fuck" moments.
Badlucktroll
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I'm up to episode 4. It appears that
Guts is really fucked up and haunted by the events of the ritual of the eclipse or whatever its called. I know he has been "marked"
Wait have you not seen the original series or the CG movie trilogy? Go watch those! Seriously this will make no sense without those, its like jumping into the Lord of the Rings with the Two Towers
Badlucktroll
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I have seen the whole original series in its entirety at University of Michigan's Animania. I got to see it on a theater screen. I haven't seen the movies yet but i own them.
I always loved the theme of guts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZa0Yh6e7dw
Oh ok. I see a lot of people jumping in with this series and no prior knowledge and I'm like,"No DONT!"
JadedWriter
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Guts is so fucked up, dating from way back before the Eclipse even happened. Dude's been a wreck since birth.
Badlucktroll
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I still have the dreamcast game! So excited for this series. Ugh its rekindled my love of berserk. I forgot about it for many many years.
Ok saw episode 2 and I'm down everything is such a janky mess.
JadedWriter
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Badlucktroll
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Why did the 1997 series
that always bothered me.
just suddenly end with guts getting his eye poked out?
They wanted you to really but the manga.
Sumio Mondo
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The anime removed one of the most important (and badass) characters in the series who
saved Guts and Casca from the Eclipse.
But yeah, they wanted you to read the manga.
Or they just ran out of budget/time, they also cut a lot of stuff before the eclipse.
True Savior
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The series also had 2 filler episodes. They could have easily showed everything with an extra 40 minutes. I think the cliffhanger was very much on purpose.
Sumio Mondo
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Pretty sure somebody interviewed the 90s anime director a few years back and he actually confirmed the reason why they ended it on that cliffhanger was to encourage people to read the manga. At least, I'm sure I read something about that (or was it on the DVD?). And yeah, like True Savior said there was around 2 episodes of filler and a lot of unnecessary scenes with Adon as opposed to introducing Skull Knight. It's true though, they also cut out Wyald and Silat among others. And only did Snake Baron from the Black Swordsman arc before moving on to the Golden Age arc. Seemed like they went in that direction on purpose in a way.
Better animation than this series.Ray Harryhausen could've made a better Berserk show than this...
JadedWriter
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meltingparappa
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As an aside, even though "more Berserk" is almost always "better Beserk", I'm glad Wyald was omitted in both the anime and the movie.
In a incredibly dramatic time where Griffith is really the focus, having a mini-monster show up for an inconsequential fight before the nightmare curtain is drawn really kills the pacing. It's one of those things where if Miura was able to do it all again from scratch, I wonder if he'd move him to the black swordsman arc.
Tizoc
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You forget: Wylad arc had Zodd show up and fortelling of Griffith's actions for the eclipse.
Riposte
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I agree. While the whole Wyald chase/fight has a lot of crazy awesome moments, it really doesn't fit in the story at all and in some ways overshadows the fucking Eclipse in terms of brutality. Silat should stay though.
I don't agree at all, without the Wyald part the Eclipse seems more fucked up and brutal, it's almost a preparation in a sense for what's about to happen (both the Eclipse and Griffith actions). In the Golden Age Arc the series slowly shows you the real world of Berserk (Zodd, Skull Knight, Bakiraka, Wyald), that there are other creatures, weird and supernatural stuff out there that you didn't know of.
That's one of the main point I disliked in the '97 series and the movies as well, as it just drops you in the eclipse which feels out of place if you haven't read the manga.
The Silver
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I didn't care for Wyald either, to me that whole thing was just a pacing killer, Zodd fucking his shit up is the only part I'm sad hasn't been animated.
True Savior
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Wyald foreshadows events, escalates the horror of the Eclipse, puts in danger the entire rescue mission and reinforces the fragility of our (very strong) hero. And it's a kickass action scene. It's anything but "inconsequential".
Host Samurai
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Wylad was awesome. Great battle to show how much Guts progressed as a fighter too compared to his battle with Zodd earlier in the manga.
The anime equivalent to that little arc was just meh. No real conclusion. They just run away and battle regular Midland Knights. Wylad was brutal.
Hopefully the game covers Wylad and all the missing manga arcs from the anime.
The anime equivalent to that little arc was just meh. No real conclusion. They just run away and battle regular Midland Knights. Wylad was brutal.
Hopefully the game covers Wylad and all the missing manga arcs from the anime.
JadedWriter
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Wyald had one of the most depraved intros that I could think of. It's like, "you thought the humans were bad? Check out this motherfucker." He was an eye opening experience for the band, before they got sacrificed. He taught the crew that they no longer live in a world full of just dude's in armor. It was like going from Dark Souls 2 to Bloodborne.
Sumio Mondo
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Wyald was definitely the "big shift", if you will with the graphic violence and disturbing imagery. Shows how evil Apostles could be (not that The Count and Snake Baron didn't do that already but still, Wyald is even worse).
JadedWriter
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I'm convinced Wyald was the most fucked up apostle so far. Most of them seem to have...some sort of standards. Wyald just wants to fuck everybody's shit up, rape women and display their corpses in a grotesque manner. Makes you wonder what he even did while he was a human.
Sumio Mondo
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I think that makes it even better considering we can just use our imagination on that. I agree though, he's the worst one yet. Ganishka was pretty awful as well though
(creating demonic machines that impregnate women who then abort their deformed demon children and die in the process) considering his messed up back story one can see why.
JadedWriter
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Makes you wonder how Ganishka got all that demon jizz, is it like the sap in his giant tree form?
Wyald was the test for Guts. Zodd whoops his ass while butt fucking naked and against Wyald who was no push over Guts took him down and that was before all the shit really hit the fan. As to whether he's the most fucked up Apostle
I guess. He's definitely one who took the God Hand's only command to do as they please with their new found power and took it to heart. Every moment he was living his life to the fullest, never backing down or half assing it and of course doing anything and everything he could no matter how horrible.
He was probably some loser for a long time and didn't turn into an apostle till he was an old man no doubt bitter that he didn't get to live all his deepest and darkest fantasies, basically ripe territory for the God Hand to make an apostle. Give him a family he loves but grows ot hate or something along those lines and even better for someone to prick their finger while holding a behelit.
He was probably some loser for a long time and didn't turn into an apostle till he was an old man no doubt bitter that he didn't get to live all his deepest and darkest fantasies, basically ripe territory for the God Hand to make an apostle. Give him a family he loves but grows ot hate or something along those lines and even better for someone to prick their finger while holding a behelit.
meltingparappa
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I know this is purely a divisive personal opinion, but pacing-wise I feel like the anime/movies go:
- "Oh my god, that one time appearance of that Zodd guy was crazy."
- Griffith and thus the Band of the Hawk really are at their lowest point.
- In the movie at least, the point of view subtly shifts to Griffith during the quiet aftermath and puts you in the mindset as to why he'd call upon the eclipse.
- The eclipse happens out of nowhere
-"Oh my god, look at all these terrible monsters this is hell on earth."
In the manga with Wyalt, it goes
- "Oh my god, Zodd was nuts."
- Griffith is at a low point
- Forget about Griffith for now, there's a monster man chasing us
- Oh look, there's a second monster man to kill the first monster man
- This is generally awesome, but there isn't a lot of breathing room after picking up Griffith
- The eclipse is happening,
- "Oh my god look at all these monsters but I guess we just had a reminder two minutes ago that there are monsters in the real world so I guess we shouldn't be as surprised to see a bunch here."
I love Wyalt's character and hope he's get some schlocky screentime in the game, but I feel like his presence detracts from Griffith's pivotal moment slightly.
- "Oh my god, that one time appearance of that Zodd guy was crazy."
- Griffith and thus the Band of the Hawk really are at their lowest point.
- In the movie at least, the point of view subtly shifts to Griffith during the quiet aftermath and puts you in the mindset as to why he'd call upon the eclipse.
- The eclipse happens out of nowhere
-"Oh my god, look at all these terrible monsters this is hell on earth."
In the manga with Wyalt, it goes
- "Oh my god, Zodd was nuts."
- Griffith is at a low point
- Forget about Griffith for now, there's a monster man chasing us
- Oh look, there's a second monster man to kill the first monster man
- This is generally awesome, but there isn't a lot of breathing room after picking up Griffith
- The eclipse is happening,
- "Oh my god look at all these monsters but I guess we just had a reminder two minutes ago that there are monsters in the real world so I guess we shouldn't be as surprised to see a bunch here."
I love Wyalt's character and hope he's get some schlocky screentime in the game, but I feel like his presence detracts from Griffith's pivotal moment slightly.
It actually kind of reinforces his emasculated state of mind and being though. He can't even talk, let alone defend himself or even aid his compatriots while they're being slaughtered by a band of mad men lead by a monster. Not only that but he watches Guts in fine form, far far better than when he left and living his dream while Griffith's is a distant memory. Then of course we have Wyald literally stripping him and tossing him about like a ragdoll basically trying to force the Eclipse to happen early and just hammers home that Griffith will never be free, he's stuck forever in a prison of his own body and has a band of constant reminders all around him, able bodied and on the run, but still living life.
JadedWriter
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I think the escalation of the manga was to show the band as well as the reader just how in over their heads the band is. They could kill men, easily actually as long as they're not elite knights, but the apostles and other demons just showed them how low on the food chain they really are. If they only dealt with something like Zodd once people would just think shit like that is a rare occurrence, which at the point of the Eclipse isn't true at all, not to mention that the people that were lucky enough not to be in the Eclipse were nothing more than a happy meal for Rosine and the Slug Count.
Riposte
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His true form was some old man. I wouldn't be surprised if he was some dying loser who never knew the pleasures of life and regretted it. Then he becomes an apostle with utterly no inhibitions.
DrunkShogun
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When it comes to apostles, it's way easier to list the not so bad one. Zodd is the best though.
True Savior
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How can't you love this mofo?
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