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Berserk 2016 Anime |OT| Prelude to the CGI Boat

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Dahbomb

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I will never forget that one panel where Zodd shows up behind Wyald. Up until this point Wyald has been this huge monstrosity tearing stuff up... then Zodd comes up and the size/power level difference is hilarious.

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That's the one.
 
I'm convinced Wyald was the most fucked up apostle so far. Most of them seem to have...some sort of standards. Wyald just wants to fuck everybody's shit up, rape women and display their corpses in a grotesque manner. Makes you wonder what he even did while he was a human.

Absolutely. Completely fucked up with nothing good in him. Even more messed up and fitting that he evolved from a scrawny, weak looking old man.
 
I will never forget that one panel where Zodd shows up behind Wyald. Up until this point Wyald has been this huge monstrosity tearing stuff up... then Zodd comes up and the size/power level difference is hilarious.



That's the one.
Zodd tore right through his ass like he was Havel the rock taking out some low level hollow.
 

Sayad

Member
I know this is purely a divisive personal opinion, but pacing-wise I feel like the anime/movies go:

- "Oh my god, that one time appearance of that Zodd guy was crazy."
- Griffith and thus the Band of the Hawk really are at their lowest point.
- In the movie at least, the point of view subtly shifts to Griffith during the quiet aftermath and puts you in the mindset as to why he'd call upon the eclipse.
- The eclipse happens out of nowhere
-"Oh my god, look at all these terrible monsters this is hell on earth."


In the manga with Wyalt, it goes

- "Oh my god, Zodd was nuts."
- Griffith is at a low point
- Forget about Griffith for now, there's a monster man chasing us
- Oh look, there's a second monster man to kill the first monster man
- This is generally awesome, but there isn't a lot of breathing room after picking up Griffith
- The eclipse is happening,
- "Oh my god look at all these monsters but I guess we just had a reminder two minutes ago that there are monsters in the real world so I guess we shouldn't be as surprised to see a bunch here."


I love Wyalt's character and hope he's get some schlocky screentime in the game, but I feel like his presence detracts from Griffith's pivotal moment slightly.
I have to disagree with this, I've watched the anime first except for the last DVD which the place I used to rent from didn't have, so I started reading the manga before getting to the eclipse. I have to say, the eclipse was way more macing in manga mainly due to Wyalt, you've just seen this monster tear through the whole Band of the Hawk, and now they're surrounded by an army of monsters just like him!

I've watched the recent movies with friends, and they were like "how the fuck are they getting out of this?!" when the eclipse happened, when the first thought I had at that point in the manga was that they're done for.
 
I have to disagree with this, I've watched the anime first except for the last DVD which the place I used to rent from didn't have, so I started reading the manga before getting to the eclipse. I have to say, the eclipse was way more macing in manga mainly due to Wyalt, you've just seen this monster tear through the whole Band of the Hawk, and now they're surrounded by an army of monsters just like him!

I've watched the recent movies with friends, and they were like "how the fuck are they getting of this?!" when the eclipse happened, when the first thought I had at that point in the manga was that they're done for.
They couldn't even save themselves. They tried in a futile fashion and Guts and Casca were only saved by a mystical force on the same level as the apostles. They couldn't even save themselves from Wyald. Guts fucked his shit up good, but he still wasn't dead. Both encounters were ended by an equal mystical force. That's why I liked the manga version. Pretty much showed everybody that crossbows and knives and other shit was not going to cut it anymore.
 
Rosine was pretty darn messed up too, like a fairy tale gone bad.
Especially her games her "kin" took part in. Yuck.

Mozgus is probably the scariest human in the series yet
(at least before he turned into an Apostle spawn)
outside of Charlotte's dad and Donovan. Berserk has plenty of these creepy fucks.
 
Rosine was pretty darn messed up too, like a fairy tale gone bad.
Especially her games her "kin" took part in. Yuck.

Mozgus is probably the scariest human in the series yet
(at least before he turned into an Apostle spawn)
outside of Charlotte's dad and Donovan. Berserk has plenty of these creepy fucks.
I hope the show touches onto why Charlotte's dad is so fucked up.
 
Gennon is by bar the most evil non apostle in the series. Fucking hated that guy.

Funny how so many say Griffith is like the most evil being ever, when Wyald, Slug Lord, Gennon, Purple Rhinos, Midland King, Snake Barron, Mozgus &
Ginishka
exist.
 

Galang

Banned
I'm actually going to have to agree with Wyald ruining the pacing a bit. When I first saw the anime the eclipse completely completely caught me off guard... Sure it was foreshadowed, but I wasn't expecting that direction for Berserk at all. It really just went 0 to 100.... The wyald scenes were fucked too, but it definitely ruins a lot of the eclipse's immediate impact.
 
I'm actually going to have to agree with Wyald ruining the pacing a bit. When I first saw the anime the eclipse completely completely caught me off guard... Sure it was foreshadowed, but I wasn't expecting that direction for Berserk at all. It really just went 0 to 100.... The wyald scenes were fucked too, but it definitely ruins a lot of the eclipse's immediate impact.

What happens in the Eclipse is what should caught you off guard. The abrupt transition in the anime is atrocious. It might be fun for a shock value watching it for the first time but all the actions are much more organic in the manga and how we start in this sort of depraved world with a maniac hero and we go back and understand why.
 
I have to disagree with this, I've watched the anime first except for the last DVD which the place I used to rent from didn't have, so I started reading the manga before getting to the eclipse. I have to say, the eclipse was way more macing in manga mainly due to Wyalt, you've just seen this monster tear through the whole Band of the Hawk, and now they're surrounded by an army of monsters just like him!

I've watched the recent movies with friends, and they were like "how the fuck are they getting out of this?!" when the eclipse happened, when the first thought I had at that point in the manga was that they're done for.
When you read the manga you already know they're 100% done for, the blackswordsman arc also already accomplished showcasing the terror of the apostles. That's why for me Wyald just felt like something that dragged on, seeing Guts growth is nice and humiliating Griffith a little more before the eclipse was fine but it wasn't necessary for me, the only part I really really loved was when Zodd showed up.
 
The manga made you feel much worse for Griffith during the eclipse. He even told Guts to run once he summoned the demons. That's another reason why I can sympothise with Griffith. INB4 sick fuck Griffith supporter.

Better than being a Trump supporter
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Donald Griffith told the people of Falconia that he would keep them safe from Kushan extremists invading the country and would make Midland great again. He went on to say that he has the best apostles, the strongest apostles. Really terrific apostles! Then he went on tirade about crooked Gatts and how he is weak and will destroy the country.
 
Donald Griffith told the people of Falconia that he would keep them safe from Kushan extremists invading the country and would make Midland great again. He went on to say that he has the best apostles, the strongest apostles. Really terrific apostles! Then he went on tirade about crooked Gatts and how he is weak and will destroy the country.

Bringing
humans and apostles together
is not a Trump thing. People are living great in
Falconia
he made
Midland great again and saved the world from ISIS/Kushin Empire
 

kewlmyc

Member
The manga made you feel much worse for Griffith during the eclipse. He even told Guts to run once he summoned the demons. That's another reason why I can sympothise with Griffith. INB4 sick fuck Griffith supporter.

Better than being a Drumpf supporter

I don't remember that at all. Especially since Griffith couldn't speak at that point.

Plus the whole "he brought it upon himself by fucking the princess" and the Casca rape thing.
 
I don't remember that at all. Especially since Griffith couldn't speak at that point.

Plus the whole "he brought it upon himself by fucking the princess" and the Casca rape thing.

It was right after he stole the wagon and tried stabbing himself In the neck with the sharp rock. Once he sees the monsters in the distance he tries to say "run" or something like that. He just moves his mouth.

He was deff an idiot for fucking the princess, but the princess didn't really seem to mind it. She's literally obsessed with Griffith. Casca is another story. I'll say what he did to her was horrible, but nowhere near the level of other characters in the series.
 

Breads

Banned
Bringing
humans and apostles together
is not a Trump thing. People are living great in
Falconia
he made
Midland great again and saved the world from ISIS/Kushin Empire

No.

Falconia is great.
For now. And it came at the expense of the rest of the world. Which by all accounts got fucked. Hard. Falconia being the last bastion people are flocking to.
 
It was right after he stole the wagon and tried stabbing himself In the neck with the sharp rock. Once he sees the monsters in the distance he tries to say "run" or something like that. He just moves his mouth.

He was deff an idiot for fucking the princess, but the princess didn't really seem to mind it. She's literally obsessed with Griffith. Casca is another story. I'll say what he did to her was horrible, but nowhere near the level of other characters in the series.
If Charlotte's dad wasn't so obsessed with fucking Charlotte himself Griffith would've been fine.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Too bad we didn't get Wyald. Maybe he would have been one of those disgusting terrible characters love to hate like Joffrey or Ramsay Bolton or the Joker.
 

Skittles

Member
I have to disagree with this, I've watched the anime first except for the last DVD which the place I used to rent from didn't have, so I started reading the manga before getting to the eclipse. I have to say, the eclipse was way more macing in manga mainly due to Wyalt, you've just seen this monster tear through the whole Band of the Hawk, and now they're surrounded by an army of monsters just like him!

I've watched the recent movies with friends, and they were like "how the fuck are they getting out of this?!" when the eclipse happened, when the first thought I had at that point in the manga was that they're done for.
There's also the fact that Wyald made grif realize how completely and utterly useless he was at that point. Making his use of the egg even more believable.
 

Sayad

Member
When you read the manga you already know they're 100% done for, the blackswordsman arc also already accomplished showcasing the terror of the apostles. That's why for me Wyald just felt like something that dragged on, seeing Guts growth is nice and humiliating Griffith a little more before the eclipse was fine but it wasn't necessary for me, the only part I really really loved was when Zodd showed up.

There's also the fact that Wyald made grif realize how completely and utterly useless he was at that point. Making his use of the egg even more believable.
What Skittles said, and Wyald revealing the state of Griffith to everyone, which is also done way better than in the anime/movie. Then there's Zod's second appearance which is also one of the manga's more iconic moments. It's really a shame Wyald was skipped twice.
 

Smoolio

Member
Just to confirm, the use of CGI in anime is completely budgetary right? There isn't anyone on earth that prefers it from a visual standpoint right?
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Just to confirm, the use of CGI in anime is completely budgetary right? There isn't anyone on earth that prefers it from a visual standpoint right?

Some people like it and it can be well done but it seems this studio has no real experience doing it well.
 

Narag

Member
Just to confirm, the use of CGI in anime is completely budgetary right? There isn't anyone on earth that prefers it from a visual standpoint right?

CG animation is usually more expensive given the rates 2D animators are paid iirc. Pretty sure it was a stylistic choice.
 
I think the idea was that Studio 4'C did the CG well enough by the end, so why let this inexperienced b-tier studio go the same route.

If there's only one grievous tragedy with this adaptation, it's that it's likely a very expensive production masquerading as a bargain bin show. In the very first episode, there was a unique character model for every single goon in the tavern, before they were killed off 15 seconds later. That's an incredible amount of time and effort that wasn't remotely worth it.

CG animation on a tv budget just isn't there in Japan, and it sucks that Berserk is the first major casualty to demonstrate it.

But whutever, eight more episodes to see if they can get it working.


Edit: that Mozgus image below is going to be useful in future threads.
 

Nibel

Member
This right here killed me
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Mozgus you crazy fuck

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Pacing could have been better, the battle scenes ended way too abruptly and the CG art style clashed too hard with 2D animated stuff sometimes (Luca in the tent with the girls f.e.)

Puck the MVP of this adaption

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dan2026

Member
God this is fucking garbage.

But you can still see the greatness of Berserk shining through.
But that just makes it worse. Why couldn't this have gone to a decent studio?
 
One of the better episodes.....but those scenes in the tent where several characters were animated and then one horribly stone stiff CG person would be sitting in between were so terrible. I don't even understand how this can be saving them money. They literally animate the whole scene and cut one or two characters out for what reason? They can't animate blonde curls?
 
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