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Berserk |OT| - Big men, bigger swords, OFF THE BOAT - Berserk #344 24/6/2016
- Thread starter EvilKatarn
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JadedWriter
Member
I think it was eight years actually. When you binge read it it's fine, but waiting in real time for it to finish had to suck.
How can this even happen.
JadedWriter
Member
Ask Miura. They weren't on the boat in the manga for 8 years, but in the real world of people waiting for Miura to update the thing they were on the boat for 8 years.
Poor fellow, got hit with the GRRMitis disease.
JadedWriter
Member
Midland will be a cyber punk fantasy by the time Guts returns.
The Omega Man
Member
So George R. R. Martin, Togashi and Miura walk into a Bar...
Punchline coming in 2028
JadedWriter
Member
Punchline is the bartender died waiting for them to write down their drink order.
Well during the boat journey, most of the manga was spent on
the adventures of Griffith. There wasn't much boat stuff outside of one major fight sequence. So the storyline was still progressing a lot while they were on the boat.
Pacing in Berserk is absolutely fine but the release schedule is so bad it seemed like Gutts and co were on the boat for an eternity.
TheVampire
Banned
I really liked the boat but then I didnt have to wait.........
lol
Ha! Miura pulled a Togashi on us and now has an excuse to draw shitty for a few chapters.
I have to say, for such an emotional turning point of the story, it's treated with a surprising amount of levity. Like, I know Guts isn't usually the expressive type, but after all this, I would have expected more of a reaction. This is NOT the time to write him as the quiet stoic. Similarly, the dreams were a chance for an insight into both Farnese and Shrieke and instead we get a bit of comic relief. Maybe you can read into Farnese's dream a bit, but I have no idea what to make of it other than it being weird.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
You've already reached the boat?! Slow it down a bit! You need to savour it all.
Also, here's a good summary (it's the second post) of the entire boat situation.
I doubt they'll go back on a boat to get back. They'll probably find another way.
I agree with this. Chapter 347 felt very laid back and casual for such an anticipated, monumental moment in the story. What happened is not how I pictured things would happen, and it just didn't quite feel like as big of a deal as it should have. I wish Guts wasn't separated from the whole process, and I feel as if they need to cut back with the comedy for now. However, this is only the beginning. I'm positive Miura will deliver the feels with the following chapters. Also, dat last page!
FF Seraphim
Member
Man I am getting the feeling something majorly bad is going to happen soon. Like Miura is giving us this false sense of security....
mcz117chief
Member
The second one obviously and she will also remember how he almost raped her so she will hate him even more.
Funny how the latest chapter ended in such a brutal cliffhanger when finally plot is starting to move again. I was almost certain that the queen would be like "I can do the ritual, but you need to go over there and collect 9 magic stones trollface.jpg". Luckily we cut to the chase and she just said that she will do it and is actually doing it. I really don't want any more filler at this point, just the major plot lines and let us see how the story ends, then he can write as many fillers as he wants and I will gladly buy them all.
True Savior
Member
I absolutely loved the tone, the surrealism and probably the next episodes will provide quite a contrast. We are about to enter a brutal section, a recollection of horrible repressed memories.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
That last page tho
HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGH
HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGH
FF Seraphim
Member
We are lucky it starts back up when the anime does or something along those lines.
The lighthearted feel of this chapter is intentionally used as a contrast to what's about to come. It's the last bit of sunshine before the darkness and it's going to make the nightmare seem even darker as a result. I liked it for what it was.
I'm also not sure Schierke or Farnese are in as much danger as the story hints they might be. It doesn't make sense to traumatize either of them when Miura has been building up Guts and crew as a JRPG party for a while now, and I can't imagine it would be difficult for Danann to whisk them away at the first sign of a problem arising. If anything's going to be damaged, it's probably going to be their "idea" of Guts when they see the extent of everything he's been keeping bottled up inside.
Good chapter all in all. Shame about the wait.
I'm also not sure Schierke or Farnese are in as much danger as the story hints they might be. It doesn't make sense to traumatize either of them when Miura has been building up Guts and crew as a JRPG party for a while now, and I can't imagine it would be difficult for Danann to whisk them away at the first sign of a problem arising. If anything's going to be damaged, it's probably going to be their "idea" of Guts when they see the extent of everything he's been keeping bottled up inside.
Good chapter all in all. Shame about the wait.
mcz117chief
Member
The best since the Griffith slap imo.
I'm trying to word this carefully so as to not offend anyone, but I could actually see Casca forgiving him on that. The world Casca knew before the Eclipse was fucked up enough as it was and that was just with human rule. It was a state of war and murder with atrocities everywhere. Chivalry was in very short supply. The fact that Guts didn't take advantage of her naked and dazed state is something that, after the initial revulsion she is sure to have, I think she can forgive. I'm not trying to make light of the situation by any means. It's just that in the context of what occurred I think his punishment can be mitigated. Plus the fact he protected her from demons every night after sunset etc etc.
Forcing her to remember her friends being slaughtered by demons and then being raped by a man she once loved and admired is going to be what does Guts in though. I'm not hopeful for a happy ending for him and nor do I think this manga has a very optimistic tone, but I would like to see Guts at least get a few moments of happiness with Casca before his next tragedy. God knows Miura has heaped enough shit on the both of them.
Me too. I'm expecting some elven magicks.
I'm just glad we're likely going to see Casca regain her sanity next year. A tonal shift to something a bit serious would also be welcome considering the direction the plot is heading.
Coriolanus
Banned
Skull knite can teleport. Jus saiyan.
Yes.
mcz117chief
Member
That can work too. I like happy endings so I would love to have one but I am not really holding my breath all things considered.
JadedWriter
Member
Damn, vegetable Casca wants no part of Guts. Dude can't even be a part of the ritual. Oh my god, Casca's dreams is drawn like one of Togashi's lazy ass drawing from Hunter x Hunter, I'm fucking dying here. Or maybe it's like how the stand used by Oingo Boingo in Stardust Crusaders envisions the world.
Schierke:
Can't wait for the next chapters...whelp this is going to be a long wait.
Schierke:
Can't wait for the next chapters...whelp this is going to be a long wait.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Oh make no mistake, some really dark stuff is coming up next. I guess we should all enjoy the lightheartedness of this chapter, because you don't get much more ominous than that last page! In terms of Casca being healed, it's going to be complicated, but I'm with the group that think it will happen. And just for the record, I don't think she'll be angry with Guts when she regains her sanity. I think she'll forgive him for what he did.
JadedWriter
Member
I wonder if she'll still be friends with Farnese if/when she gets her memories back.
She almost certainly will, but Farnese is going to feel so awkward when she realizes the childlike woman she's been traveling with is actually a talented warrior whose skill and battlefield acumen far surpass her own.
JadedWriter
Member
"Teach me Casca-sama."
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
JadedWriter
Member
If Farnese learned Schierke's magic and Casca's melee wouldn't that make her highly OP?
umop_3pisdn
Member
Danann suggested that how they bring Casca back is by bringing some resolution to her memories/experience, so by the internal logic of how this ritual works, it seems like it can't be something that succeeds but still leaves her tormented by her memories in the same way. It will still be a thing that happened to her, but the trauma (particularly the repeated trauma of being mentally stuck in her trauma) is the very thing they have to address in order to succeed. Maybe she regains her senses and decides that she doesn't want to be a part of the fight, that wouldn't surprise me at all, but I wouldn't expect her to kill herself.
Basically present Casca has PTSD, they're going in to resolve her PTSD (by bringing resolution to the conflict that she is mentally stuck in), and killing yourself is something that someone with unresolved PTSD would do.
Coriolanus
Banned
Which is something skullie already foreshadowed.
Baldie has been wrong before, tho
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
Ok ok i dont want be devils advocate but this is just the calm before the fucking shitstorm that is
casca's true sanity
Maybe casca goes crazy and rips off Guts black armor and dares to put it on herself only to be stopped by Guts cutting off her hand at last second showing off the rage he has been building this entire time from the destruction of the hawk?
If there was a time for Berserk to start fixing it's women issues, it's now.
It's hard for me to think of a way that I'd be happy with things going that doesn't boil down to Caska beginning her quest to confront griffith in some way. She's basically been the toy between Guts and Griffith all this time, and it's only now that she has a chance to make her own decision, and I'm gonna be really salty if it isn't one that comes down to her implementing her own sense of agency on the story.
Unfortunately, there's little to indicate that will happen.
It's hard for me to think of a way that I'd be happy with things going that doesn't boil down to Caska beginning her quest to confront griffith in some way. She's basically been the toy between Guts and Griffith all this time, and it's only now that she has a chance to make her own decision, and I'm gonna be really salty if it isn't one that comes down to her implementing her own sense of agency on the story.
Unfortunately, there's little to indicate that will happen.
Too late, couldn't help myself. XD I caught up with everything.
Interesting developments at the end. Does the nature of
Elfhelm
several years or decades will have gone by when they leave it?
I'm also not entirely sure on Griffith/Femto's endgame here. What's the point of all this, and what's the point for the Godhand?
Well, that's the big mystery.
We know it was always Griffith's dream to have his own kingdom and now he literally is the savior of the world who united humankind and apostles and has changed the world and induced a golden age within his lands.
He has what he wanted. Why he was allowed to get it and what he is going to do with it is anyone's guess.
Rushersauce
Banned
BRB, using imagination since HIATUS
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
Man you have all the time to dream on the pyre boat inferno that is BERSERK.
BRB, using imagination since HIATUS
JadedWriter
Member
You will dream till you're crazy enough to have your dreams look like fucked up Togashi drawings.
Yeah I don't really understand the big plan here. It seems like there's no plan at all.
BRB, using imagination since HIATUS
Guts has ended up as such a different character than when I started reading this thing.
