Bethesda Joins Xbox l Roundtable (premiers in 2hrs)

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Surprisingly it turns out I wasn't disappointed by this livesteam.
Not a bad stream. Not great as there's no games. But for a chummy corporate chat, it came together better than the usual suit and tie gabathon. Nicely organized and the tidbits of employee and studio history were interesting to watch.

Alpha Dog was the best!
 
I wonder what he meant when he said, "And even in the future, there might be things that have either contractual things or legacy on different platforms that we'll go do."

Specifically I don't know what he means by legacy on different platforms. For example I could interpret it as Doom and TES games have a legacy/history of being on PS and Nintendo systems so they'll continue doing that like they have with Minecraft and it's offshoots like Minecraft Dungeons, but Starfield doesn't so that would be Xbox exclusive etc.
Literally every single game they bought has a legacy on Playstation. You can't possibly think he meant legacy, as in has an entry released on Playstation, right? They meant things like Doom 2016, Doom Eternal (which still has content coming for PS under Xbox) or other games that are already on the platform, e.g: legacy content.
 
Surprised we haven't seen the FoBoB troll in this thread :pie_roffles:
Damn, FoBoB had you shook. I had no idea.
sorry about that. I voted in the other thread I thought they would do this after the disastrous most powerful console and gold doubling reversals. This was a necessary move on their part or most or all of you would have flung your xboxes out the window. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to be instituting prims nocta on Deathloop and Ghostwire....and there's nothing you can do about it ;)
 
Literally every single game they bought has a legacy on Playstation. You can't possibly think he meant legacy, as in has an entry released on Playstation, right? They meant things like Doom 2016, Doom Eternal (which still has content coming for PS under Xbox) or other games that are already on the platform, e.g: legacy content.
He specified future titles that you guys want to be ignoring.

"...even future titles where we have contractual things or legacy on different platforms that we will go do..."

How some of you are equating that to games that are already out is beyond me - existing titles do get sequels. He had already addressed existing content before going on to say even future titles where we have contractual or legacy on different platforms...future titles for series that already have a legacy on existing platforms.

I think (surprisingly) they are being as fair as they can be while still maintaining focus on their own brand. In my eyes, if they had actually done what a lot of people were afraid that they'd do, it would have been risky but a big move. In my eyes putting your content on as many platforms including your own and building it up like that would have been a stronger move.

Basically, you could play their content where you wanted to play it, how you wanted to play it. They had their own platform (they can afford that) and be flexible enough to allow people to play elsewhere if they so chose.
 
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Damn, FoBoB had you shook. I had no idea.
sorry about that. I voted in the other thread I thought they would do this after the disastrous most powerful console and gold doubling reversals. This was a necessary move on their part or most or all of you would have flung your xboxes out the window. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to be instituting prims nocta on Deathloop and Ghostwire....and there's nothing you can do about it ;)
I really hope the picture in your avatar isnt actually you, if it is then Jesus dude, grow the fuck up already.:messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
Damn, FoBoB had you shook. I had no idea.
sorry about that. I voted in the other thread I thought they would do this after the disastrous most powerful console and gold doubling reversals. This was a necessary move on their part or most or all of you would have flung your xboxes out the window. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to be instituting prims nocta on Deathloop and Ghostwire....and there's nothing you can do about it ;)
Not shook, more like hilarious and immediately dismissed.

It was a joke, but I can see how you missed it.
 
Thanks Phil for delivering, glad to see Reeeeeee-setERA "Insiders" being wrong time and time again, knocking the Xbox-centric guys/podcasts who are mostly right, time and time again.
 
Literally every single game they bought has a legacy on Playstation. You can't possibly think he meant legacy, as in has an entry released on Playstation, right? They meant things like Doom 2016, Doom Eternal (which still has content coming for PS under Xbox) or other games that are already on the platform, e.g: legacy content.
I don't know what he meant which is why I brought it up. He said earlier that if the game is already on the other consoles, they'll continue to support it and I figured that covered dlc. The legacy statement was separate.

Honestly, I think that basically all new games will be xbox/PC exclusive unless contractually obligated otherwise, but the legacy statement made me wonder what he meant.
 
He specified future titles that you guys want to be ignoring.

"...even future titles where we have contractual things or legacy on different platforms that we will go do..."

How some of you are equating that to games that already are out is beyond me. He had already addressed existing content before going on to say even future titles where we have contractual or legacy on different platforms...future titles for series that already have a legacy on existing platforms.

I think (surprisingly) they are being as fair as they can be while still maintaining focus on their own brand. In my eyes, if they had actually done what a lot of people were afraid that they'd do, it would have been risky but a big move. In my eyes putting your content on as many platforms including your own and building it up like that would have been a stronger move.

Basically, you could play their content where you wanted to play it, how you wanted to play it. They had their own platform (they can afford that) and be flexible enough to allow people to play elsewhere if they so chose.
The thing is, its two different subjects separated by a conjunction. So read it like this

1) future titles where we have contractual obligations
AND
2) Legacy titles on different platforms

The "future titles" portion can be read as not applying to the legacy portion and, when you understand the industry term for legacy, you get the understanding that the "future titles" portion is a separate statement from the "legacy titles" portion.
 
I wonder what he meant when he said, "And even in the future, there might be things that have either contractual things or legacy on different platforms that we'll go do."

Specifically I don't know what he means by legacy on different platforms. For example I could interpret it as Doom and TES games have a legacy/history of being on PS and Nintendo systems so they'll continue doing that like they have with Minecraft and it's offshoots like Minecraft Dungeons, but Starfield doesn't so that would be Xbox exclusive etc.
Legacy is just that - "original" platform. It is the contractual "buzz word" that companies use to allow them to provide new software without needing to support old(er) systems and platforms.

For example - they'll continue to support/patch/update/provide content for existing games that have already been developed and delivered. Eventually - the game will go on life support providing bug patches, etc., as long as it's making money.

Any NEW IP (including new releases, remakes, etc.,), games, etc., that have yet to be developed and/or delivered to the industry would be considered non-legacy as of the acquisition (and now appear to be exclusive based on the comments from the roundtable discussion).
 
I wonder what he meant when he said, "And even in the future, there might be things that have either contractual things or legacy on different platforms that we'll go do."

Specifically I don't know what he means by legacy on different platforms. For example I could interpret it as Doom and TES games have a legacy/history of being on PS and Nintendo systems so they'll continue doing that like they have with Minecraft and it's offshoots like Minecraft Dungeons, but Starfield doesn't so that would be Xbox exclusive etc.

There might be something unannounced that already has distribution in place for PS/Nintendo. 🤷‍♂️

I've given up trying to decide how aggressive MS is going to be with exclusives. Yesterday it read like not that much, today it seems very aggressive.

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I'll just wait for the individual announcements. Great for me as a GP user either way.
 
The thing is, its two different subjects separated by a conjunction. So read it like this

1) future titles where we have contractual obligations
AND
2) Legacy titles on different platforms

The "future titles" portion can be read as not applying to the legacy portion and, when you understand the industry term for legacy, you get the understanding that the "future titles" portion is a separate statement from the "legacy titles" portion.
the part about we'll go do is right after legacy. Go do is clearly future orientated, as is the entire sentence.

How anyone makes a firm conclusion from this statement is beyond me. We are literally where we were when they said first or better. The needle has not moved an inch yet.
 
I wonder what he meant when he said, "And even in the future, there might be things that have either contractual things or legacy on different platforms that we'll go do."

Specifically I don't know what he means by legacy on different platforms. For example I could interpret it as Doom and TES games have a legacy/history of being on PS and Nintendo systems so they'll continue doing that like they have with Minecraft and it's offshoots like Minecraft Dungeons, but Starfield doesn't so that would be Xbox exclusive etc.
legacy most likely means remakes/remasters of games already on other systems
 
The thing is, its two different subjects separated by a conjunction. So read it like this

1) future titles where we have contractual obligations
AND
2) Legacy titles on different platforms

The "future titles" portion can be read as not applying to the legacy portion and, when you understand the industry term for legacy, you get the understanding that the "future titles" portion is a separate statement from the "legacy titles" portion.
Hmm, perhaps, but then if you listen to the roundtable again, he had already addressed supporting existing communities for games that are already out, he addresses that just before he goes on to say the part I am referring to about future titles.
 
Hmm, perhaps, but then if you listen to the roundtable again, he had already addressed supporting existing communities for games that are already out, he addresses that just before he goes on to say the part I am referring to about future titles.
I have no doubt that if there is a community game that gets a sequel (ESO for example), they want the existing players to roll in, I think those would go to the existing platforms.
 
Hmm, perhaps, but then if you listen to the roundtable again, he had already addressed supporting existing communities for games that are already out, he addresses that just before he goes on to say the part I am referring to about future titles.
Existing communities. Meaning the game exists. Not the IP. So ESO, Fallout 76. Existing communities exist.

There is no Elder Scrolls 6 community. No Fallout 5 community.
 
microsoft gaming division is still going to milk those online games but keep the main titles to themselves. I kind of dig it, Sony was going to make Starfield a timed exclusive game locking out even PC gamers like myself. microsoft should lock out elder scrolls, fallout and starfield from the Sony platforms forever, force them to buy your console or build a 4K capable PC that costs around $3,000. You win either way.
 
There might be something unannounced that already has distribution in place for PS/Nintendo. 🤷‍♂️

I've given up trying to decide how aggressive MS is going to be with exclusives. Yesterday it read like not that much, today it seems very aggressive.

rollercoaster GIF


I'll just wait for the individual announcements. Great for me as a GP user either way.

Sony might fail to get starfield exclusive but they might have got marketing rights etc. Which would force ms to release it on PlayStation. death-loop and ghostwire + starfield rumours (about Sony trying to Buy exclusivity) sound like Jim was on a shopping spree at zenimax so he'll knows what else he secured before ms stepped in
 
I thought it was a cool video to be honest. Funny that people were told no announcements or reveals, and they still hoped there would be some, lmao.
 
I thought it was a cool video to be honest. Funny that people were told no announcements or reveals, and they still hoped there would be some, lmao.
Yeah loved the show! And I learned a lot about Bethesda's studios. And omg the things that will come out of this acquisition is nuts, the shared tech, id tech, the visions, this actually got my hyped about Xbox and I really haven't felt that in a long time. Great show! 😃
 
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He specified future titles that you guys want to be ignoring.

"...even future titles where we have contractual things or legacy on different platforms that we will go do..."

How some of you are equating that to games that are already out is beyond me - existing titles do get sequels. He had already addressed existing content before going on to say even future titles where we have contractual or legacy on different platforms...future titles for series that already have a legacy on existing platforms.

I think (surprisingly) they are being as fair as they can be while still maintaining focus on their own brand. In my eyes, if they had actually done what a lot of people were afraid that they'd do, it would have been risky but a big move. In my eyes putting your content on as many platforms including your own and building it up like that would have been a stronger move.

Basically, you could play their content where you wanted to play it, how you wanted to play it. They had their own platform (they can afford that) and be flexible enough to allow people to play elsewhere if they so chose.
Another way to read that statement is:

"...even future titles where we have contractual things, or legacy on different platforms that we will go do..."

Notice the "," added in there. And if you actually listen to him verbalize that sentence, he seems to clearly phrase them as two separate points one ran into the other as part of a single sentence, i.e two difference scenarios. He's not inferring "future games that have a history of release of prior installments on other console hardware platforms.".

The text transcript doesn't have to pick up every punctuation, but that added comma makes a major difference and basically interprets it as two streams of thought going one from the other. That's also the more accurate way to interpret it IMHO, it's the Occam's Razor approach and until we start seeing some of those actual future games get announced AND get PlayStation and/or Switch ports listed then I don't see the point in assuming what you think he suggested.

We know that for future games with contractual obligations, there is Deathloop and Ghostwire. POTENTIALLY Indiana Jones and Starfield, tho at most those would be day-and-date (and even that isn't guaranteed). No other new Zenimax titles have been announced, however. Also, supposing that sentence could be interpreted as you have done, you do realize they have MMORPGs on PlayStation, correct? So, if they decided to do a massive update to Elder Scrolls Online, that could probably come out on PS5 as well as Xbox/PC and perfectly fit the statement, and would be a much more logical assumption than thinking TES6 or the next DOOM are going to be multiplat at this point.

By your logic, if Microsoft made this purchase simply to 100% continue business as usual, they would have been better off buying timed exclusivity. Suppose a worst-case scenario where Google bought Zenimax instead, well both Microsoft and Sony would've been screwed, but Google has effectively shown they can't manage a gaming division so the Zenimax studios would likely have folded a few years after purchase anyway or a mass exodus of talent would've occurred.

They've clearly made the purchase to fuel their GamePass service and all products which directly support it including the Xbox consoles and PC. If their language avoids outright saying the games won't come to PlayStation or Nintendo, that is for two reasons. The first is because it's not true BUT you have to keep a very sensible perspective on what that actually means (which means games falling into the Deathloop/Ghostwire/F'76/ESO camp). The second is because they in some part want to position this acquisition as something liberating for Zenimax where their workplace culture and way of operation remains more or less as they know and love, as a signal to potential other companies they want to acquire, to ease THEM into favoring an acquisition from Microsoft (as Nadella has said they are looking for another similarly large publisher to bring into the fold).

In a lot of ways the event today was more of a game of chess but they did give just enough to answer some of the bigger questions regarding terms of the acquisition. Some of you just don't want to accept what's been provided is all 🤷‍♂️
 
I really hope the picture in your avatar isnt actually you, if it is then Jesus dude, grow the fuck up already.:messenger_tears_of_joy:
How has no one picked up that you didn't notice that the avatar is of Tony Sirico aka the legendary Paulie Walnuts (The Sopranos)!
 
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Another way to read that statement is:

"...even future titles where we have contractual things, or legacy on different platforms that we will go do..."

Notice the "," added in there. And if you actually listen to him verbalize that sentence, he seems to clearly phrase them as two separate points one ran into the other as part of a single sentence, i.e two difference scenarios. He's not inferring "future games that have a history of release of prior installments on other console hardware platforms.".

The text transcript doesn't have to pick up every punctuation, but that added comma makes a major difference and basically interprets it as two streams of thought going one from the other. That's also the more accurate way to interpret it IMHO, it's the Occam's Razor approach and until we start seeing some of those actual future games get announced AND get PlayStation and/or Switch ports listed then I don't see the point in assuming what you think he suggested.

We know that for future games with contractual obligations, there is Deathloop and Ghostwire. POTENTIALLY Indiana Jones and Starfield, tho at most those would be day-and-date (and even that isn't guaranteed). No other new Zenimax titles have been announced, however. Also, supposing that sentence could be interpreted as you have done, you do realize they have MMORPGs on PlayStation, correct? So, if they decided to do a massive update to Elder Scrolls Online, that could probably come out on PS5 as well as Xbox/PC and perfectly fit the statement, and would be a much more logical assumption than thinking TES6 or the next DOOM are going to be multiplat at this point.

By your logic, if Microsoft made this purchase simply to 100% continue business as usual, they would have been better off buying timed exclusivity. Suppose a worst-case scenario where Google bought Zenimax instead, well both Microsoft and Sony would've been screwed, but Google has effectively shown they can't manage a gaming division so the Zenimax studios would likely have folded a few years after purchase anyway or a mass exodus of talent would've occurred.

They've clearly made the purchase to fuel their GamePass service and all products which directly support it including the Xbox consoles and PC. If their language avoids outright saying the games won't come to PlayStation or Nintendo, that is for two reasons. The first is because it's not true BUT you have to keep a very sensible perspective on what that actually means (which means games falling into the Deathloop/Ghostwire/F'76/ESO camp). The second is because they in some part want to position this acquisition as something liberating for Zenimax where their workplace culture and way of operation remains more or less as they know and love, as a signal to potential other companies they want to acquire, to ease THEM into favoring an acquisition from Microsoft (as Nadella has said they are looking for another similarly large publisher to bring into the fold).

In a lot of ways the event today was more of a game of chess but they did give just enough to answer some of the bigger questions regarding terms of the acquisition. Some of you just don't want to accept what's been provided is all 🤷‍♂️
I am fine with whatever ends up happening but you all keep pointing out to me things that don't actually address it, not in the way it was delivered. Just to wrap up what I am saying, he addressed existing content, contractual stuff before going on to mention what they will plan to do or not do with future titles. I don't see those statements as separate given what he said prior to saying it but who knows at this point! I will give it a rest though because I honestly didn't think it was this confusing what he said but apparently I was wrong!
 
How has no one picked up that you didn't notice that the avatar is of Tony Sirico aka the legendary Paulie Walnuts (The Sopranos)!
I didn't even bother responding because I can't be seen hanging out with known undesirables such as him. It's a fundamental lack a respect and I'm nevah gonna fuhget it.
 
Phil paid 7bn, so he could organise a live streamed circle jerk. It was pretty cringe at times. I guess if you pay that much though you're going to want to squeeze every little bit of publicity out of it.

I hope the summer event brings the goods. I just want to see some new games, especially those coming in the next 18 months.
 
Phil paid 7bn, so he could organise a live streamed circle jerk. It was pretty cringe at times. I guess if you pay that much though you're going to want to squeeze every little bit of publicity out of it.

I hope the summer event brings the goods. I just want to see some new games, especially those coming in the next 18 months.
Yeah, that was what they paid for :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
Just quick aside: there's a TOOOOOOOOOOONNN of salt from some of the folks over on Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee on this announcement. Way more than I'm seeing here so far, tbh. Like there's tons of people there basically saying "Bye, Bethesda" and stuff like that. Some very flavorable salt.

It's funny because they always say GAF is the immature one but when a certain reality gets reinforced the closet fanboys on Reeee pop out and get pretty violent :pie_roffles: .
 
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I don't see why you would be mad at this if you were a PlayStation fan. Haven't all these games playable on PS Now for like 5 years? So the GP guys want to play Skyrim again. Let them have their fun.
 
Phil paid 7bn, so he could organise a live streamed circle jerk. It was pretty cringe at times. I guess if you pay that much though you're going to want to squeeze every little bit of publicity out of it.

I hope the summer event brings the goods. I just want to see some new games, especially those coming in the next 18 months.
Sure he paid to see your salty fanboy tears 🤣

The livestream was a great insight to how Zenimax and Bethesda work, alot of stuff in there that if you actually knew anything about the industry was pretty interesting
 
Sony might fail to get starfield exclusive but they might have got marketing rights etc. Which would force ms to release it on PlayStation. death-loop and ghostwire + starfield rumours (about Sony trying to Buy exclusivity) sound like Jim was on a shopping spree at zenimax so he'll knows what else he secured before ms stepped in
I don't think they have marketing rights for Starfield. This tweet doesn't indicate so:
 
Sure he paid to see your salty fanboy tears 🤣

The livestream was a great insight to how Zenimax and Bethesda work, alot of stuff in there that if you actually knew anything about the industry was pretty interesting
I am a fanboy... for games.

I look forward to playing all their new games via Gamepass on my XSX, but that show was just fluff, very little new information. Like I said, they are just milking it for all they can, and I expect they will do the same throughout the year. It's their right to do so and part of what they paid for, the ability to brag that they eventually will have more exclusive games. I know enough about the industry to get excited by what is actually delivered and not what the marketing teams (of Sony or MS) present to me.
 
Sony might fail to get starfield exclusive but they might have got marketing rights etc. Which would force ms to release it on PlayStation. death-loop and ghostwire + starfield rumours (about Sony trying to Buy exclusivity) sound like Jim was on a shopping spree at zenimax so he'll knows what else he secured before ms stepped in
*chuckles* "I'm in denial"
 
I am a fanboy... for games.

I look forward to playing all their new games via Gamepass on my XSX, but that show was just fluff, very little new information. Like I said, they are just milking it for all they can, and I expect they will do the same throughout the year. It's their right to do so and part of what they paid for, the ability to brag that they eventually will have more exclusive games. I know enough about the industry to get excited by what is actually delivered and not what the marketing teams (of Sony or MS) present to me.
This was literally showing the studios and welcoming bethesda, wasnt anything about games like they already tempered expectations
 
Sony might fail to get starfield exclusive but they might have got marketing rights etc. Which would force ms to release it on PlayStation. death-loop and ghostwire + starfield rumours (about Sony trying to Buy exclusivity) sound like Jim was on a shopping spree at zenimax so he'll knows what else he secured before ms stepped in

Todd would never. Legit Todd Howard probably called Phil the second Sony asked about exclusivity. MS stuck with 76 through bad PR, Todd would follow them through fire
 
This was literally showing the studios and welcoming bethesda, wasnt anything about games like they already tempered expectations
And it was probably one of the best vids Xbox has put out to date. I did learn that I don't like Major Nelson as much as I thought I did. The conversation flows so much better without him. Plus you could tell most of them were good friends who have worked and played together for years.
 
And it was probably one of the best vids Xbox has put out to date. I did learn that I don't like Major Nelson as much as I thought I did. The conversation flows so much better without him. Plus you could tell most of them were good friends who have worked and played together for years.
I thought it was a good behind the scenes video. The Disney behind the scenes documentaries are great selling tools for consumers and potential employees, and something that Microsoft should do more of.
 
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Christ I can't believe people still are holding out hope these games will come to PlayStation. Just get a series s if u wanna play em so much - for the price of 4 games at $70 - you can get the console and gamepass and play em all - easy solution.
 
Okay, I'm finally getting around to watching this and there are some insane things casually tossed out here. Machine games helped on Skyrim? Tango designed the new doom enemy that you have to change up attacks on? Whaaaat?
 
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