thecosmicfly
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You just know that if that was Walt instead of Jimmy he would've left Chuck on the ground to bleed rather than rush in to help. Fuck Walt.
Kind of reminds me of this wretched harpy I saw in this one other show that's a bit like BCS. She drove her doting husband to a life of crime and wouldn't let up no matter how much he sacrificed to provide for his ungrateful family. What was her name again? Tyler? Sylar? Mylar?No, Monocle. Don't you see that it's chuck diabolically pulling the strings on everyone? Jimmy has no choices in his life, it's all Chuck making his decisions for it through his maliciousness.
You just know that if that was Walt instead of Jimmy he would've left Chuck on the ground to bleed rather than rush in to help. Fuck Walt.
You just know that if that was Walt instead of Jimmy he would've left Chuck on the ground to bleed rather than rush in to help. Fuck Walt.
Maybe not. Waltgave up his entire fortune to try and save Hank when the two of them were previously trying to fuck each other over, just like Jimmy and Chuck. And I don't think Walt felt nothing from his death.
Mike is still a cop at heart and likely believes having the cartel operate there is ruining his town.
I would never put anything past these writers. It's never quite what you think.
It just seems too perfect not to be Gus though.
I'm not sure I get this.
DON'T. Written plainly. It's such a Gus thing to do. We knew he was coming because he's crucial to Mike's story, now makes perfect sense, who else did you expect?
I still don't understand why Mike wants to kill the Salamancas. Is it because they treathened Kaylee?
Maybe not. Waltgave up his entire fortune to try and save Hank when the two of them were previously trying to fuck each other over, just like Jimmy and Chuck. And I don't think Walt felt nothing from his death.
My dad loves this show... and still hasn't watched Breaking Bad.
Which is baffling and extremely interesting to me.
I still don't understand why Mike wants to kill the Salamancas. Is it because they treathened Kaylee?
My dad loves this show... and still hasn't watched Breaking Bad.
Which is baffling and extremely interesting to me.
My dad loves this show... and still hasn't watched Breaking Bad.
Which is baffling and extremely interesting to me.
Which means the show runners did an excellent job making this show stand on its own.
By the way, that note on Mike's car.....
Couldn't possibly have been Nacho's doing?
....*sigh*
Like I said, I can't post all my thoughts, but this is an aspect of BB/BCS fandom that has always disappointed me. Whenever people decide that a given character is a hate sink, all their arguments become structured around how pathetic they are, for any reason.
They were both in a hospital room with their dying mother, and all Jimmy could think was to get some food while he was in the grips of such despair that he couldn't even think to eat. Then the moment Jimmy leaves, he breaks down in tears. And when his mother utters her last words, it's about Jimmy. And he's out getting food. He tries to communicate with her, get her to acknowledge him, but she doesn't.
Yes, Chuck has issues, yes, not all of them are justified, yes, he can be a prick, and no, Jimmy didn't actually do anything wrong buy wanting to go get food, but putting the pieces in context, it's pretty clear how this would be a crucial moment in Chuck's life and how it would feed his resentment toward Jimmy, and it's painful to watch because it's so tragic for him. It doesn't make his viewpoint of Jimmy right, but it's totally understandable how he came to it when shit like this happened to him.
This is fiction, where people have a lot more freedom to be unempathetic to human pain. That's obviously how it should be, real people are more important. However, fiction is an odd little area in our lives where we are supposed to treat the fake as if it were real. We may be allowed to react in ways that are horrible to fictional people, but I don't think that makes how we act irrelevant. And if someone really made a thread that essentially described the exact same situation, and you said to them what you're saying about Chuck, you'd be banned, and that should tell you something about the nature of trying to use the death of someone's mother to belittle them. It's something only a complete asshole would do.
There is no part of the BB/BCS fandom I dislike more than when people become so enthralled with their personal dislike of a character that they shut down all attempts to sympathize with a character out of hand. It's an intentional simplification of a complex character, it adds nothing to the discussion, and is just a distasteful act in general.
in my mind Chuck is this guy.
He's also:I feel for Chuck. Jimmy is this well-meaning tornado that messes up the lives around him with maxed out charisma so no one ever hates him. He witnesses the destruction Jimmy causes but no one seems to care. Everyone's like "Oh that Jimmy." That moment when Ernie stands up for him in the hospital, Chuck's just seeing the same old thing happen once again.
Chuck's technically not wrong, he's just a complete asshole about it. I'm going to laugh if Chuck getting electrocuted is what caused his condition, because in my mind Chuck is this guy.
Excellent post. Fully agree.
His thesis is ridiculous and assumes people are incapable of distinguishing fiction and real-life.
And your reading comprehension is as astute as Kaylee's understanding of law practice. I made specific, concentrated distinctions between reality and fiction and my thesis was that the belittlement of somebody for feeling anguish over the death of their mother is a really fucking piece of shit thing to do on a conceptual level, with it's target being irrelevant to it's inherent awfulness as an action. Please, explain how that plays into your definition of ridiculous. By all means, defend mocking the bereavement of people as a concept. The mental gymnastics on this one is going to be olympic level.His thesis is ridiculous and assumes people are incapable of distinguishing fiction and real-life.
And your reading comprehension is as astute as Kaylee's understanding of law practice. I made specific, concentrated distinctions between reality and fiction and my thesis was that the belittlement of somebody for feeling anguish over the death of their mother is a really fucking piece of shit thing to do on a conceptual level, with it's target being irrelevant to it's inherent awfulness as an action. Please, explain how that plays into your definition of ridiculous. By all means, defend mocking the bereavement of people as a concept. The mental gymnastics on this one is going to be olympic level.
This was the season finale? Didn't even know, didn't even notice. Pretty bleh season overall. Well made, reasonably entertaining, just not much of interest happened, and too much focus on secondary characters.
Does anybody believe Chuck is going to turn that tape into the police? I really doubt even Chuck would be willing to send his brother to prison. I bet he'll use it to coerce Jimmy into quitting law (which Jimmy will eventually get around by using the Saul persona).
And your reading comprehension is as astute as Kaylee's understanding of law practice. I made specific, concentrated distinctions between reality and fiction and my thesis was that the belittlement of somebody for feeling anguish over the death of their mother is a really fucking piece of shit thing to do on a conceptual level, with it's target being irrelevant to it's inherent awfulness as an action. Please, explain how that plays into your definition of ridiculous. By all means, defend mocking the bereavement of people as a concept. The mental gymnastics on this one is going to be olympic level.
His thesis is ridiculous and assumes people are incapable of distinguishing fiction and real-life.
Does anybody believe Chuck is going to turn that tape into the police? I really doubt even Chuck would be willing to send his brother to prison. I bet he'll use it to coerce Jimmy into quitting law (which Jimmy will eventually get around by using the Saul persona).
Did you just call Mike a secondary character?
Maybe not the police, but he'll certainly use this to get Jimmy McGill disbarred. Maybe this is how we get Saul.
Does anybody believe Chuck is going to turn that tape into the police? I really doubt even Chuck would be willing to send his brother to prison. I bet he'll use it to coerce Jimmy into quitting law (which Jimmy will eventually get around by using the Saul persona).
My dad loves this show... and still hasn't watched Breaking Bad.
Which is baffling and extremely interesting to me.
I actually wonder if Vince planned on having such an emphasis on Mike from the start. The stakes for Mike are so much higher, and ties into Breaking Bad so much (especially given what I expect to happen next season, which I explained in an above post).
Jimmy might be getting more screen time, but I feel like Mike's story is the one that matter most. But I'm please we're getting both.
Does anybody believe Chuck is going to turn that tape into the police? I really doubt even Chuck would be willing to send his brother to prison. I bet he'll use it to coerce Jimmy into quitting law (which Jimmy will eventually get around by using the Saul persona).
Because Chuck is a character that relies on suspension of disbelief -- how people react to him is no different to how a wrestling fan reacts to a heel wrestling character. He is literally written to elicit a negative response.
Hence, your whole proposition of ban-worthy reaction on GAF if Chuck's circumstance were real life is totally off the planet.
And I am even bothering to delve into the psychological aspects of sympathizing with a character on TV vis-a-vis real life because I am scared you are going to bludgeon me to death with verbiage.
No need. My retort is very simple: you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what my thesis is. And Brainfreeze over the next post explains it far better. (Thanks, Brainfreeze). I find your assertion that the writing here is equivalent to a wrestling match (with no respect meant to fans of wrestling) to be quite laughable. Interviews with Vince make it clear that he writes as a way of following the characters where it is most natural for them to go and has stated that multiple times. That kind of methodology doesn't take into account what the audience reaction will be, it's 'What would this character in this situation with this history, personality, and temperment, do'. Of course, that's a hard and fast rule, not an absolute, but given that's how Vince talks about his writing, I see no reason to disbelieve him. That the writing elicits an audience reaction doesn't mean it's purpose is to elicit an audience reaction. The design here is to explore the character as a complex human being, not a emotional reflex generator.
Also, I stated my thesis in the previous post and I'll restate it here: the belittlement of somebody for feeling anguish over the death of their mother is a really fucking piece of shit thing to do on a conceptual level. That is your challenge, if you're trying to claim that you understood my writing correctly. Okay, so Chuck is meant to elicit a negative response, therefore it is acceptable to belittle him over his despair of his dying mother? Is that your argument here?
I'm gonna let you into big secret that's gonna blow your mind: Vince Gilligan's characters are borderline caricatures (hence my comparison to professional wrestling).
And they are belittling Chuck for exhibiting an irrational amount of jealously towards Jimmy, not for mourning his mother's death. Evidently both his parents favored Jimmy more, even though he was a fuck-up. If you can't see that I'm wasting my time responding to you.
Haven't finished the episode but my man ERNESTO came through for Jimmy with that lie.