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Better Call Saul S3 |OT| Gus Who's Back - Mondays 10/9c on AMC
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Ignatz Mouse
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OricWindstar
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I never connected that both of them played lawyers on that show. Haha, awesome.
Robdraggoo
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He was also on snl at the time bob odinkurk was writing for them. Probably old friends
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Damn, that would make the Exit sign closing shot hit even more. At this point I could see Chuck and Jimmy just becoming estranged. There's more than enough bad blood now.
What I want to know is what happens to the sweet baby angel that is Kim Wexler?
Well stated - it articulates what I think most feel about Chuck's character very nicely.
Exclamation-One
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Theory:
The veterinarian has been gradually revealed to be a sympathetic character with his hands in a lot of Albuquerque's criminal element.
Mike's first 'kill' be vet guy on orders from Gus. I imagine Mike telling the guy he's got to kill him and giving him some time to make peace. Gut-wrenching. We'll be seeing something like Walt and Jesse with Uncle Tio from the captor's POV.
The veterinarian has been gradually revealed to be a sympathetic character with his hands in a lot of Albuquerque's criminal element.
Mike's first 'kill' be vet guy on orders from Gus. I imagine Mike telling the guy he's got to kill him and giving him some time to make peace. Gut-wrenching. We'll be seeing something like Walt and Jesse with Uncle Tio from the captor's POV.
minor effort
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I'm still not yet thinking Kim dies or suffers some horrible fate due to Jimmy's actions. Francesca who serves as a receptionist for both Kim and Jimmy, and sticks with Jimmy throughout his Saul Goodman practice.
If one of her two bosses wound up getting killed, due in part to the actions of the other, it seems unlikely Francesca would stay.
My guess is that Kim's law career gets tainted or ruined in some way, and she leaves Jimmy as a relationship, an office partner, and a moral compass. Sometimes things are that simple.
If anyone has a darker fate in store for them, my prediction would be Chuck. But having both Kim and Chuck die seems a little heavy handed.
I can't see Kim dying. Way more interesting if Jimmy ends up pushing her away.
Chuck on the other hand....
Dark_castle
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I wouldn't mind Gilligan retcon Breaking Bad and keep Kim in the picture all the way until the end. She is that good. Don't kill my waifu 
Yeah, the Saul in Breaking Bad isn't a broken man. So maybe he and Kim just eventually go their separate ways when their versions of the law become incompatible.
CrunchyFrog
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My theory since the beginning of this season was that Jimmy and Chuck would finally come to blows, that Jimmy would find a way to win it all, and Chuck would find some way to take Kim down with him out of spite, pushing Jimmy over the precipice into full blown Saul territory. I think it's been well borne out so far. Kim is the only person Jimmy truly cares about anymore, and who's loss is the only one that could so profoundly change his worldview into the cynical and detached one we know from BB. Kim is the sacrifical lamb, and it's going to be gut-wrenchingly tragic when it happens.
On the flipside, I've been thinking recently about BB characters/events that could/should be appearing soon. Jesse talked specifically about Emilio Koiyama and how Saul got him off charges twice. We've also already been introduced to his cousin Krazy 8 who works with the Salamanca group that's now in hot water with the feds. Now that Jimmy seems to be headed toward a clean slate practice I wonder if Nacho doesn't call in a favor for that very case by the end of this season.
Morrigan Stark
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Can we notmy waifu
Dangerblade
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Something I may have missed...did Chuck not wonder how Jimmy got those pics of his house that he showed in court?
Jimmy had been there a lot, he probably assumed Jimmy took them a while back.
Lionheart1827
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Yup and he also was Milo in Airheads alongside Brendan Fraser, Steve Buscemi, and SNL cast members Adam sandler and Chris Farley.
Dangerblade
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I guess, but why (in Chuck's mind) would he take the pics before all this went down?
SuperStiltzkin
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Killing Kim doesn't seem at all like anything these writers would do. I don't even see how they would get to that point. It's too blunt, forward, and downright lazy of a motivation to turn Jimmy into Saul. Like people saying they were gonna destroy or alter the tape when the actual solution to that was more natural and smartly written.
stenbumling
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Season 3 finale is Chuck killing Kim out of revenge, and she bleeds out in Jimmys arms, saying she loves him just as she gives out. Jimmy gives out a great roar in the pouring rain and then proceeds to look into the camera, saying "Who am I? I'm Saul Goodman...".
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IggyChooChoo
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This is a good catch. Every time I see them, them, it freaks me out. Definitely feels like a setup. I also think Jimmy's little speech about how Chuck is going to die alone and unloved is going to be prophetic about both of those brothers.
One reason I think I might like BCS over BB is that we don't know how it'll end. With Breaking Bad, the final arc was amazing television, but it felt preordained and inevitable, the way a good tragedy does. We all knew it was called Breaking Bad, and that Mr. Chips was going to turn into Scarface. Scarface isn't going to get redeemed, no matter how many Nazis he guns down or whether he saves Jesse. But we don't know how Jimmy/Saul's story ends. I'm betting on some weird redemption, that Jimmy winds up using his irrepressible showmanship and clever scheming on behalf of the little guy instead of for petty profit. That the good in him that so many people see ultimately wins out. But it could go any number of ways. And that makes it unpredictable and exciting.
Then he falls out the window from the Mad Men opening.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Chuck is going to totally go all in on Mike next, and my bet is that Chuck is the one that is going to get Jimmy into the bigger mess with Gus and Nacho.
I mean, Chuck says himself that their dad said it wasn't Jimmy's fault but Chuck didn't believe him. I doubt there's anything Jimmy can add to that.
I want a one-off of this.
You mean the photos that Jimmy got Mike to take?
It's weird, but since those photos were submitted as evidence, it implies that Jimmy and Kim needed to introduce them during discovery before that hearing started. So whatever they did must have been legal (since Chuck allowed Mike into his house), and by the time the hearing started, it wouldn't have been a surprise to Chuck or Howard, even if it did originally surprise them during discovery.
It's kind of funny how Chuck's bullshit detector is on point to almost being psychic when it comes to Jimmy, but he's pretty blind to everyone else. Mike comes in saying he's with Martins repair with no identification or even a uniform logo on him, carrying power tools even though he had specified he not to bring them, and this doesn't set off any alarm bells for him?
Yeah those ones; and you are right they would have seen them in discovery had they been paying attention. Maybe the writers will just gloss over it; it didn't seem like a very important detail of the case. But if Chuck does try to track down Mike or something, that could make this entire thing very messy.
Then in S4 we find out Chuck was actually Walt's brother the whole time
Chuck doesn't look at the help.
SuperStiltzkin
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Sounds like a commercial Jimmy would direct.
No one is saying that killing someone for character growth is bad writing. But in Jimmy's case it is. It doesn't feel like a natural step based on where the story is going and the world the Jimmy and Kim are in. People are just saying that to throw shocking theories at the wall. A more believable and natural step would be Kim leaving Jimmy, or vice versa,of her own accord either because of ethical differences or to protect one another.
Mike and his son were steeped in a world of crime and police corruption. The writing makes sense for Mike and who he was, a dirty cop who went along to get along. It doesn't make sense for Jimmy and Kim. Sure Jimmy as associated with Nacho and Tuco before, but if the cartel were at all responsible for Kim's demise, I doubt he'd be happily living it up defending drug dealers in Breaking Bad.
The perfect Dark
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This is the best show on television right now and one of the best shows ever. BB was amazing and so is BCS. The last episode was absolutely fantastic.
And yeah, I think Kim dies. I don't know why and how she dies (of course) but that's the feeling I have. And I think Jimmy doesn't become Saul after she dies, he changes his name before she dies (not using the name McGill would be a good reason after this episode)...maybe in the last episode of this season.
I do think he goes the real criminal route after her death though (probably season 5 or last episode of season 4). In the last episode of season 5 we see Walter White entering the room (Saul Goodman's office). Then cut to black. end.
And yeah, I think Kim dies. I don't know why and how she dies (of course) but that's the feeling I have. And I think Jimmy doesn't become Saul after she dies, he changes his name before she dies (not using the name McGill would be a good reason after this episode)...maybe in the last episode of this season.
I do think he goes the real criminal route after her death though (probably season 5 or last episode of season 4). In the last episode of season 5 we see Walter White entering the room (Saul Goodman's office). Then cut to black. end.
The perfect Dark
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But she doesn't even get mentioned in BB and Saul doesn't try to reconnect with her. Not even a phone call. Seems pretty unrealistic imo.
UltimaPooh
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That's because most of his scenes were about helping Walt or Jessie... You hardly ever see anything about his personal life
Post BB he is in hiding.
Also. I think we get to season 6 before this ends. Need a whole season of post bb Jimmy.
We barely ever see Saul from his perspective in BB. Like probably 80 percent of his stories and scenes are Walt and Jesse (and IIRC Mike) perspective and motivated. We really barely know ANYTHING about him throughout that series, so it's not that weird that we didn't see him trying to reconnect to Kim because he barely ever got any of his own stories. We never got the "Mike and his granddaughter" sort of stuff for Saul.
Saul was a pretty minor character in BB; he doesn't really exist outside of having meetings with Walt and Jesse. We don't know jack about his personal life.
I still think they won't do that; Jimmy's split with Kim is going to be a major part of this story. But I wouldn't be shocked if we don't at least see the occasional attempt for Jimmy to contact her.
He was a little side character in BB
SuperStiltzkin
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People don't have to die for them to stop existing in your life.
Here's a hint: When Breaking Bad was on the air, Kim didn't exist. Literally no one on earth had any idea whatsoever that someone named Kim Wexler was around, or had anything to do with Saul. Saul also did not know who Kim was or whether she ever existed.
That's because Kim is a fictional character, just like Saul / Jimmy.
And just like the creators of Better Call Saul have crafted some incredible film about Jimmy's life despite that life never having existed in any way shape or form during the production of Breaking Bad, I'm sure that the creators of Better Call Saul can think of a thousand different ways for Kim and Chuck to exist in the Breaking Bad timeline.
Maybe one or both or neither is dead. But I'd be pretty disappointed if that's the case. Seems like a pretty boring way for things to go.
That's because Kim is a fictional character, just like Saul / Jimmy.
And just like the creators of Better Call Saul have crafted some incredible film about Jimmy's life despite that life never having existed in any way shape or form during the production of Breaking Bad, I'm sure that the creators of Better Call Saul can think of a thousand different ways for Kim and Chuck to exist in the Breaking Bad timeline.
Maybe one or both or neither is dead. But I'd be pretty disappointed if that's the case. Seems like a pretty boring way for things to go.