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[CurseoftheGods]

I was looking at the Top 15 Sega games thread and realized how good Sega games were back then. Sega was unbelievable in their output from the 16-bit/arcade days to the final days of the DC. Likewise, Nintendo was always released quality titles. Several of their titles in the 64-bit era were revolutionary (eg. SM64, OoT) and changed the ways we played games forever.

That being said, which do you think was the better developer? Both have fallen off somewhat, but I think Sega was a bit better back then. They covered more genres, and had a steady release of quality games. Nintendo while much slower, released arguably better titles at a MUCH slower rate. :/

Shit. I have no idea of where I am going with this. :lol I'll let you guys run with this. I'll be back a bit later and chime in.

 

[imastalker co.]

Nintendo.

for the record, i go apeshit over AM2's 80's stuff, and Dreamcast era Sega. arcade shit has always been choice.

 

[AniHawk]

You should've just done a topic of Genesis vs. SNES. We haven't had one in about a year or so now.

 

[Speevy]

Nintendo. Now stop kicking Sega's corpse.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

who won?

Nintendo

 

[CurseoftheGods]

You should've just done a topic of Genesis vs. SNES. We haven't had one in about a year or so now.

But the thing is, I would pick Nintendo. If I compared Nintendo and Sega's overall 80's and 90's output I'd go with Sega instantly.

 

[DopeyFish]

Sega. Most of their games have been made in house. Nintendos top games outside of mario, zelda and metroid games were rare titles. Sega, outside of Sonic, HOTD and slightly crazy taxi... never really franchise whored either.

I'd say Sega for originality and fun. Nintendo for their banner characters.

 

[Monk]

Mario 3. That's all that needs to be said.

 

[AniHawk]

But the thing is, I would pick Nintendo. If I compared Nintendo and Sega's overall 80's and 90's output I'd go with Sega instantly.

Hmm... well that's a very hard choice. I grew up playing Nintendo games, but Sega's DC stuff and Genesis stuff seemed so fresh to me back then that I have a tough time choosing.

In one corner:

Donkey Kong (which I actually played a lot on the ol' Atari)
Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. 3
Ocarina of Time
Link's Awakening
Super Mario Land 2: Six Golden Coins
Majora's Mask
Super Mario 64
Super Mario World
Yoshi's Island
Star Fox 64

but in the other corner:

Sonic the Hedgehog 1-3
Sonic & Knuckles
Sonic the Fighters (I hope it's as fun as I remember it)
Skies of Arcadia
Crazy Taxi
Jet Set Radio
Golden Axe
Shenmue II
Phantasy Star Online

and hell, I even liked Sonic 3D Blast

Hrm.

 

[Buffy4ever]

SEGA is better then Nintendo.

 

[aoi tsuki]

Irregardless of of which was better, i've always been more of a Sega fan than a Nintendo fan. Nothing against Nintendo, but i always saw them as the "classic" developer, whereas Sega was more the "alternative" developer. Alex Kidd, Space Harrier, Shinobi, Streets of Rage, Sonic, Panzer Dragoon, Virtua Fighter, Jet Set Radio... i always had more fun with Sega titles than with Nintendo. i think their range of genres and styles is much more varied than Nintendo.

 

[Firest0rm]

I enjoyed Sega's games more back then.

 

[etiolate]

I am not even sure what era signifies Nintendo's prime.

 

[AniHawk]

I am not even sure what era signifies Nintendo's prime.

Me neither, but if it's excluding the last four years, then it excludes a lot of games I really enjoyed including Fire Emblem, Pikmin 2, two Paper Marios, TWW, and SSBM.

 

[miyuru]

I am not even sure what era signifies Nintendo's prime.

NES/SNES is what I would say.

 

[RiZ III]

I dont think sega was ever at a prime, but I still go with Sega. Overall Nintendo is a far better developer than Sega imo, but Segas got some really good unique titles that I love more than any Nintendo title like Panzer Dragoon Saga and Skies.

 

[Speevy]

We'll take two games from each era, which special emphasis on originality and/or impact on the industry. No franchise repeated.

Ordered by generation

1) Super Mario Brothers 3
2) The Legend of Zelda
3) F-Zero
4) Super Metroid
5) WaveRace 64
6) 1080 Snowboarding
7) Advance Wars
8) Fire Emblem
9) Pikmin 2
10) Animal Crossing

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Nintendo and Sega are pretty much equal.

Sega covered more ground, both technologically and aesthetically. Nintendo is more about game mechanics and design.

Both are well past their prime now.

Personally, though...I like Sega a little bit more.

 

[FitzOfRage]

Nintendos top games outside of mario, zelda and metroid games were rare titles.

Over 25 years of arcades, consoles, and handhelds, I think you might be overstating Rare's part in that just a little bit. I mean unless you ignore everything they've done other than N64.

 

[fse]

SEGA!!!!!
Seriously...they kicked ass.

 

[AniHawk]

Over 25 years of arcades, consoles, and handhelds, I think you might be overstating Rare's part in that just a little bit. I mean unless you ignore everything they've done other than N64.

He means rare as in they didn't come along often.

 

[jiggle]

SEGA

 

[FitzOfRage]

He means rare as in they didn't come along often.

:lol If that's what he meant, then he got me, though I'm not sure if it really reads like that

Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way, but it seemed like

"Nintendo's top games (outside of Mario, Zelda and Metroid games) were Rare titles".

 

[Hero]

Between all the consoles and handhelds that Nintendo has released over the years, it's a bit hard to choose Sega.

The catalog of games doesn't even come close.

 

[Azelover]

Nintendo was. I think that's because they design their hardware specifically with their games in mind, they're all about creating marketshare or new markets rather than stealing them, that makes them more free to do things their way. Wereas Sega has always been very competitive and more of a follower in terms of the home console market, going after the things Nintendo, Sony, EA and so on have done rather than doing their own thing, and that kinda limited them.

 

[BobbyRobby]

I say Nintendo.

 

[demi]

Boy that's a tough decision but I'm gonna have to give the win to Nintendo.

I mean, it's really close.

REALLY

 

[jimbo]

Sega by a HUGE margin.

 

[_Angelus_]

Are you fucking kidding me?

Sega,there is no comparison,fuck no.

 

[Idioteque]

Nintendo.


Super Metroid, OOT, Wave Race 64, Super Mario World, and Tetris Attack are better than anything Sega has ever made.

 

[monkeyrun]

Sega's prime can't beat Nintendo's worse case scenario

 

[iapetus]

who won?

Um. Sony.

That said: Nintendo, I choose you!

 

[AniHawk]

:lol If that's what he meant, then he got me, though I'm not sure if it really reads like that

Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way, but it seemed like

"Nintendo's top games (outside of Mario, Zelda and Metroid games) were Rare titles".

No, you read it right. :lol

I missed the "outside of" part.

 

[WindyMan]

If you take Sega in their prime, you would also need to consider their arcade games and hardware, as well as the late Genesis days. As I see it, Nintendo's prime was the SNES era (and hopefully again with the Rev, but that's for another thread).

In their prime, the obvious answer for me is Sega. Overall, the obvious answer for me is Nintendo.

However, you really can't choose a wrong answer in this case.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Um. Sony.

That said: Nintendo, I choose you!

foolish to try to sneak Sony into this thread... keyword: "Developer" not hardware hype

besides PSP getting owned lately does not place Sony as teh winn3r in my mind,

 

[Big Shirtless Ron]

SEGA

 

[Andy787]

Sega.

Sega's prime, to me, was Dreamcast-era.

Shenmue
Shenmue 2
Jet Set Radio
Skies of Arcadia
Phantasy Star Online
Ferarri F355 Challenge
Seaman
Sonic Adventure
Rez
Crazy Taxi
Virtua Fighter 3tb
Sega Rally 2
Samba de Amigo
Chu Chu Rocket
The Typing of the Dead
The House of the Dead 2
Space Channel 5
Ecco the Dolphin
VOOT
Virtua Tennis
Alien Front Online
Sega GT
NFL 2K, 1, 2
NBA 2K, 1, 2

You could argue Nintendo's prime could've been any of their major systems, but I still think that comparitively, Sega's output during the DC days, despite how whored out they have become after the fact, and how much they were run through the mud on other platforms, still stands up better than Nintendo's on any of their individual systems.

Nintendo's best games are better, and more epic than most of Sega's, but Sega's output was far, far more original, fresh, unique, diverse, and innovative (yes, innovative), and their cumulative effort for the system was better than Nintendo's, imo.

I still think Nintendo is the second best game company at their prime, ever, and probably the best ever when looking at the entire history of games, though.

 

[Kleegamefan]

Nintendo is the worlds greatest videogame developer...

Sega at their prime would be #2, though...

 

[nextgeneration]

Oh man, this one's way too tough. I'm not going to pick one here but will comment on when I think was each company's prime.

Sega - Arcade - From around the time that Space Harrier came out to the Model 3 days, Sega pumped out so many great arcade games. Their arcade heritage is without equal. They have everyone beat here. On the console front, I would say the Genesis to Saturn era was when their prime was.

Nintendo - 8 and 16 bit days. The NES was what got me into gaming. The 16 bit days was just a refinement of the 8 bit days, but man, did Nintendo pump out so many great games. Super Mario 1 is probably my all time favorite game, followed very closely by Super Mario World.

 

[FitzOfRage]

No, you read it right. :lol

I missed the "outside of" part.

That's good, I thought sleep deprivation might be getting the better of me

foolish to try to sneak Sony into this thread... keyword: "Developer" not hardware hype

besides PSP getting owned lately does not place Sony as teh winn3r in my mind,

I don't know who made God of War, but I'm glad they were able to reverse engineer Blast Processing.

And yeah, I'd disqualify any company from this discussion that has released hardware that got "owned". Oh wait...

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Sega.

Sega's prime, to me, was Dreamcast-era.

Shenmue
Shenmue 2
Jet Set Radio
Skies of Arcadia
Phantasy Star Online
Ferarri F355 Challenge
Seaman
Sonic Adventure
Rez
Crazy Taxi
Virtua Fighter 3tb
Sega Rally 2
Samba de Amigo
Chu Chu Rocket
The Typing of the Dead
The House of the Dead 2
Space Channel 5
Ecco the Dolphin
VOOT
Virtua Tennis
Alien Front Online
Sega GT
NFL 2K, 1, 2
NBA 2K, 1, 2

You could argue Nintendo's prime could've been any of their major systems, but I still think that comparitively, Sega's output during the DC days, despite how whored out they have become after the fact, and how much they were run through the mud on other platforms, still stands up better than Nintendo's on any of their individual systems.

Nintendo's best games are better, and more epic than most of Sega's, but Sega's output was far, far more original, fresh, unique, diverse, and innovative (yes, innovative), and their cumulative effort for the system was better than Nintendo's, imo.

I still think Nintendo is the second best game company at their prime, ever, and probably the best ever when looking at the entire history of games, though.

:lol that whole post right there makes you sound like a Sega fan who understands the truth but is afraid to admit it. Just say you like both.

Sega is still awesome I think even now they can pull off some great stuff

 

[iapetus]

foolish to try to sneak Sony into this thread... keyword: "Developer" not hardware hype

Not as foolish as trying to claim that it's Nintendo who were responsible for Sega's downfall. I'm not suggesting that Sony is the better developer, just that they were far more responsible for Sega's descent into the pitiful creature that it is now than any form of Nintendo 'winning'.

Like I said, though, that's irrelevant. Nintendo (for me) is so much better as a developer than Sega that I don't even see the question as worth asking. Though I will happily acknowledge that this isn't the case for everyone.

 

[segasonic]

You expect me to say Nintendo? :lol

SEGA!

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

I hate Sonic so....

Nintendo lol

SEGA games that I loved are Beach Spikers, Skies of Arcadia (Best RPG I've played), Monkey Ball, F-Zero GX

basically the ones I've played on the Cube lol... I was soooo tempted to get Sonic Adventure 2 couple of days ago, but I decided to go with Myst IV

 

[etiolate]

Nintendos top games outside of mario, zelda and metroid games were rare titles.

I am sorry but this is begging for a list. Off the top of my head I can think of pokemon, kirby, fire emblem, advance wars, earthbound, donkey kong, kid icarus, excitebike, punchout series, animal crossing, starfox series, wario ware games, wario land titles, wave race, pilotwings, pikmin and f-zero series.

 

[aoi tsuki]

I hate Sonic so....

Nintendo lol

SEGA games that I loved are Beach Spikers, Skies of Arcadia (Best RPG I've played), Monkey Ball, F-Zero GX

basically the ones I've played on the Cube lol... I was soooo tempted to get Sonic Adventure 2 couple of days ago, but I decided to go with Myst IV

F-Zero GX/AX is an oddball. It's Sega's take on a Nintendo franchise. On a related note, i'd like to see Nintendo handle a Sega game, like Sonic.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Not as foolish as trying to claim that it's Nintendo who were responsible for Sega's downfall. I'm not suggesting that Sony is the better developer, just that they were far more responsible for Sega's descent into the pitiful creature that it is now than any form of Nintendo 'winning'.

Like I said, though, that's irrelevant. Nintendo (for me) is so much better as a developer than Sega that I don't even see the question as worth asking. Though I will happily acknowledge that this isn't the case for everyone.

I never said Nintendo took out Sega.
I asked who won... big difference!

NES software
SNES software
GAMEBOY software

Sega gave Nintendo a great fight the best fight in gaming history so far.

to even bring up Sony does a disservice to this thread

 

[Triumph]

It's a goddamn shame what happened to SEGA. They used to be the best developer of games.... now look at the poor bastards. It's what Nintendo has to look forward to.

Honestly, SEGA produced my two fave RPG series of all time, Phantasy Star(not the shitty online edition) and Shining Force. Skies is the cherry on top, too bad it never got to be a series proper. So I can never look back at SEGA without feeling a great sense of nostalgia. At the same time, I have to feel a sense of horror when I think of what could have been compared to what we got. Phantasy Star could be mentioned in the same breath as Final Fantasy and DQ if they had kept developing proper games for it, instead of the lousy Diablo online derivative that we ended up getting. For shame.

 

[ShowDog]

Sega in their prime

 

[Tekwar]

Sega forever !!!