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Bezos Ex-Wife MacKenzie Scott gives out $4 billion in charity over 4 months.

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wants to fuck an Asian grill.

Today it was announced our local YWCA organization got $20 million from her, along with another comparably large sum to our local food bank. Pretty sweet. Per the article recipients included 30 institutions of higher education, 40 food banks, and over 40 local affiliates of Goodwill.
 
Of course she did. It not she did anything to earn it

Considering she was there prior to Amazon starting I'd say she had plenty to do with the formative years, what about who raised the family of four they have? How about running the household or mental health support and all those intangibles behind the scenes like business chats at home etc. Generally speaking workaholics like Jeff Bezos in fact heavily rely on their support networks for many facets of their lives running well.

Did you know she was one of the first employees and accountants for Amazon? There's chatter she helped come up with the name Amazon and they were married for 25 years. She was also previously a hedge fund manager, prize winning author and graduated from Princeton. That's no small drop in the ocean and a wealth of experience for Jeff to leverage/collaborate with as well.

Is that worth 25-50% of Amazon? How would I know. Did she do nothing to earn it? Fuck off with that.

I built a company over the last 21 years, my wife has been with me during 19 years of that and counting. Our relationship was sparse early on when I worked 7 days a week and 3 jobs while she worked 2 jobs; it's what put us into the property market where we 2.5 multiplied our wealth within 7 years. She does more in terms of social, household and child rearing than I did in the early formative years. Wifey is a certified bookkeeper and does the books for my company quarterly and isn't employed directly but we're constantly talking about moves, clients, mental support, family sustain etc. She'd deserve a very large chunk of "my success". In fact I/we don't even think of it that way, it's our success.

I'd recommend you change your thinking on this, from personal experience.
 
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#Phonepunk#

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according to this she made ~$23 billion this year while literally everyone else suffers so yeah not really impressive imo.

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she could have given anonymously, but decided to make this big PR push for herself as this empathetic person, right at Christmas time. fucking calculated!
 
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I mean that’s very nice. The older I get the more I wonder why these billionaires aren’t more like Andrew Carnegie or Vanderbilt or Rockefeller. Of course those guys were all rich. But they also built up their communities in measurable ways. They took they’re money and built stuff. Why don’t guys like Zuckerberg and Bezos build anything cool?
 

Coolwhhip

Neophyte
When you have enough money for mansions and boats for you and the coming 10 generations of your family, might aswell try to become mother Theresa.
 

Joe T.

Member
She could make a much bigger difference without spending a single penny: simply expose the fraud that props up the ridiculous "public health" measures destroying millions of lives... but she'd have to cross her husband's newspaper and undermine Amazon's success to do it.

So, yeah, color me unimpressed.
 

Amory

Member
This lady aside, even as a card carrying capitalist it's disturbing when you take a step back and just consider the immense wealth of these elites.

They're accumulating passive income at an exponential pace. At this rate billionaires are going to be the 'middle class' of rich by the time we're old.

We've seen this before and it didnt end well
 
This lady aside, even as a card carrying capitalist it's disturbing when you take a step back and just consider the immense wealth of these elites.

They're accumulating passive income at an exponential pace. At this rate billionaires are going to be the 'middle class' of rich by the time we're old.

We've seen this before and it didnt end well
I've been saying that for a while. If you don't tax the rich more than this and lift the bottom floor up for the average person, the inequality gap becomes so large that they basically turn into royalty. We've already been an oligarchy for at least 20 years. When individuals have more economic power than many countries, it will inevitably destabilize democracy. These people can get anything they want, including buying politicians for relatively cheap.
 

Amory

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I've been saying that for a while. If you don't tax the rich more than this and lift the bottom floor up for the average person, the inequality gap becomes so large that they basically turn into royalty. We've already been an oligarchy for at least 20 years. When individuals have more economic power than many countries, it will inevitably destabilize democracy. These people can get anything they want, including buying politicians for relatively cheap.
It's very concerning. Wealth inequality isn't some pinko talking point, it's a very real problem and it's growing every single day.

From my perspective the best thing the ultra rich could do with their influence over politicians is allow tax increases to pay for things like universal healthcare, housing, and eventually basic income. It would cost them relatively nothing, when you compare it to the cost of...well...whatever modern guillotines will look like.

Charity is nice, and they're obviously free to give whatever amount they want to whatever issues they care about. But eventually they're gonna have to use some money to play some general defense against the general populace.
 

TheContact

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This kind of charity makes society worse overall, not better, and is most often done cynically to boost the ego of the giver rather than actually help genuinely needy people. Change my mind.

money helps. You can argue she does it for the attention, but she doesn’t need to. She really doesn’t even need the attention she’s so rich.
 
It's very concerning. Wealth inequality isn't some pinko talking point, it's a very real problem and it's growing every single day.

From my perspective the best thing the ultra rich could do with their influence over politicians is allow tax increases to pay for things like universal healthcare, housing, and eventually basic income. It would cost them relatively nothing, when you compare it to the cost of...well...whatever modern guillotines will look like.

Charity is nice, and they're obviously free to give whatever amount they want to whatever issues they care about. But eventually they're gonna have to use some money to play some general defense against the general populace.
Maybe. I mean, I hope they invest in average people and help keep upward class mobility and the American Dream alive, and we enter a period of renewed democratic control of the government.

The other possibility is that we're past the point of revolutions working, because tech and surveillance has progressed past the point of no return. Corporations could just rise to take their place as overtly ruling society undemocratically without pretense. Then we basically enter our hellish sci-fi future.
 

Papa

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Maybe. I mean, I hope they invest in average people and help keep upward class mobility and the American Dream alive, and we enter a period of renewed democratic control of the government.

The other possibility is that we're past the point of revolutions working, because tech and surveillance has progressed past the point of no return. Corporations could just rise to take their place as overtly ruling society undemocratically without pretense. Then we basically enter our hellish sci-fi future.

Is that not what this is? A corporate overlord expressing her soft power through extravagant displays of benevolence?
 
Is that not what this is? A corporate overlord expressing her soft power through extravagant displays of benevolence?
Yeah, it is. Typically conservatives have argued this is a good thing - and argue that taxes wouldn't be needed to stabilize society because personal charity or churches would cover the need.

But I've always seen it as a terrible solution, where an extremely small number of people are undemocratically deciding who is getting aid. Ideally, I would rather that was taxed and used by a democratically elected government - which everyone can ultimately vote on, and influence how it is spent on society. Of course this assumes that government is functioning correctly, and not corrupt and wasteful, which is clearly not the case now.
 

mango drank

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From my perspective the best thing the ultra rich could do with their influence over politicians is allow tax increases to pay for things like universal healthcare, housing, and eventually basic income.
This is an interesting possibility. I haven't been following the discussion about basic income in the last few years. I only know the original rough sketch for it: that it would be necessary to do after the robots take over from us, in the far future. At that point, though, the concept of money and earning would be radically different from what it is today--99% of humanity would be living in a post-work society, obsoleted by AI overlords, and we'd basically be idiot children playing with Disney Bux. But are people these days actually saying basic income could happen sooner, in large part because of taxing oligarchs? That's wild to think about.
 

Amory

Member
This is an interesting possibility. I haven't been following the discussion about basic income in the last few years. I only know the original rough sketch for it: that it would be necessary to do after the robots take over from us, in the far future. At that point, though, the concept of money and earning would be radically different from what it is today--99% of humanity would be living in a post-work society, obsoleted by AI overlords, and we'd basically be idiot children playing with Disney Bux. But are people these days actually saying basic income could happen sooner, in large part because of taxing oligarchs? That's wild to think about.
Well to be clear, I don't think this is in any way a great solution. The idea of just giving people money that they haven't earned presents a shit ton of problems.

But I think the ultra rich have a problem that some of them have recognized more than others. Money is essentially meaningless to them now because they literally can't stop making crazy amounts of it every day. They're making money in an hour that could support entire lineages.

So eventually they have to focus on societal stability, and when you have a ton of people who cant afford to live, it kinda makes sense to just give them enough money to live.
 

Papa

Banned
Yeah, it is. Typically conservatives have argued this is a good thing - and argue that taxes wouldn't be needed to stabilize society because personal charity or churches would cover the need.

But I've always seen it as a terrible solution, where an extremely small number of people are undemocratically deciding who is getting aid. Ideally, I would rather that was taxed and used by a democratically elected government - which everyone can ultimately vote on, and influence how it is spent on society. Of course this assumes that government is functioning correctly, and not corrupt and wasteful, which is clearly not the case now.

I think any economic theory should always start with an assumption of government dysfunction and/or corruption. Complex systems are best left to self-regulate with oversight only to ensure the rules of the game are upheld.
 
I think any economic theory should always start with an assumption of government dysfunction and/or corruption. Complex systems are best left to self-regulate with oversight only to ensure the rules of the game are upheld.
For sure. History bears that out pretty well, so that's a near guaranteed assumption.

But I'm not aware of any other possible checks on big business other than government. I think people just have to be active, educated and constantly holding their government to correct standards. It's basically the only way people organize to fix anything. But like anything else, it can rot and become useless and dysfunctional if left unattended.

Typically we have periods of societal decay and renewal. But my pet theory is that at some point those fluctuations may stop because technology and corporations finally solidify too much power to be meaningfully overturned. They're not really bound by nations anymore either.
 

Papa

Banned
For sure. History bears that out pretty well, so that's a near guaranteed assumption.

But I'm not aware of any other possible checks on big business other than government. I think people just have to be active, educated and constantly holding their government to correct standards. It's basically the only way people organize to fix anything. But like anything else, it can rot and become useless and dysfunctional if left unattended.

Typically we have periods of societal decay and renewal. But my pet theory is that at some point those fluctuations may stop because technology and corporations finally solidify too much power to be meaningfully overturned. They're not really bound by nations anymore either.

Culture is the ultimate self-regulator. Everything is downstream from it. Politics, laws, values, behaviours. Unfortunately, many (most) of the socialist policies you advocate for, while purporting to help people in need, in fact degrade culture by giving the man the proverbial fish and reducing self-regulation. This requires government intervention. More government intervention requires bigger government. Bigger government reduces efficiency and increases the likelihood of corruption. It’s a self-perpetuating cycle.

I also think you focus too much on the negative aspects of corporations in your own backyard while missing the bigger picture. Make it too hard to operate in your backyard and they will operate in someone else’s, i.e. China’s. Then you have no control over them at all while you’ve just contributed to unleashing the unholy alliance of government and big business. Only this time it’s not your government and not your culture, and your suffering will be even greater because you’re no longer a stakeholder and they care even less about you. For all the corporate cronyism you observe in the US and (mostly fairly) criticise, imagine if that cronyism were in China where your criticism means even less than it does now. Be careful what you wish for.
 
Culture is the ultimate self-regulator. Everything is downstream from it. Politics, laws, values, behaviours. Unfortunately, many (most) of the socialist policies you advocate for, while purporting to help people in need, in fact degrade culture by giving the man the proverbial fish and reducing self-regulation. This requires government intervention. More government intervention requires bigger government. Bigger government reduces efficiency and increases the likelihood of corruption. It’s a self-perpetuating cycle.

I also think you focus too much on the negative aspects of corporations in your own backyard while missing the bigger picture. Make it too hard to operate in your backyard and they will operate in someone else’s, i.e. China’s. Then you have no control over them at all while you’ve just contributed to unleashing the unholy alliance of government and big business. Only this time it’s not your government and not your culture, and your suffering will be even greater because you’re no longer a stakeholder and they care even less about you. For all the corporate cronyism you observe in the US and (mostly fairly) criticise, imagine if that cronyism were in China where your criticism means even less than it does now. Be careful what you wish for.
Admittedly, it's a fine line. I'm not against capitalism. We've talked about it before in the past. I just support taxes that can be invested into society to help cover the damage of capitalism's dynamic growth.

China is the big question of the next age - and it really seems like it will determine what happens with corporations going forward. On one end, it honestly perplexes me. If the rule was that government regulation and taxes cause corporations to flee to China, then eventually you'd think they would flee China too - since they manage almost every aspect of what corporations can do there far more than the US does. They demand ownership of most of their proprietary tech as well and use it to prop up local Chinese companion companies. It honestly makes me wonder if the US could actually demand infinitely more from corporations, because they would do virtually anything to have access to our market - as they do with China. But we'll probably never get the answer to that and it'll stay theoretical.

Some people theorize that eventually wages in China will rise with their middle class and rising consumer market. When the wages get high enough, manufacturing would move to Africa. Then 30 years later, Africa would be the new market that every corporation runs into - the last untapped market. Then everyone would have transitioned into a consumer society, instead of a manufacturing society, and maybe robots would do all the manufacturing by then.

And I don't like government waste or inefficiency either. I think the main things you really need to invest in for people are health care access, and education. Education gives people tools to be self-reliant, which you would agree is a positive thing, and that becomes more needed as tech advances. In the 1950s, someone could get out of high school and work in a local factory and earn enough to raise a family with a stay at home wife, vacation once a year, own a house, and retire. That is not the case anymore, and the harder basic survivability becomes in our economy, the more we have to invest in education or people will sink. It's not that I like government bloat, but the economy changed.

The only other things I'd support are sensible regulations on stuff like food quality, construction standards, environmental standards, and basic non-partisan stuff bureaucrats manage.

Anyway, good discussion. I agree with most of what you said.
 
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Seriously, when was the last time someone here gave $4 to charity.

It's a solid point.

For reference - Wife and I each give $30 a month to WWF (animals) while I also give $300 per year to each of our Fire, Police, Ambos, SES emergency ($1,200 annually). The people working in those jobs are often not paid enough or straight up volunteers. We both give blood once or twice a year and donate money to side charities throughout the year e.g. $25 ticket raffles or Salvation Army or Veterans near ANZAC day or world flood/fire events that pop up. Likely approx $250-$500 per year across them, those vary.
 

Super Mario

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The Left: Billionaire white men should not exist. They do not get where they are at without completely fucking everyone else over

Also the Left: Omg, Mackenzie was basically Amazon. Without her, there is no Amazon. She deserves to be one of the richest people to ever exist.

Considering she was there prior to Amazon starting I'd say she had plenty to do with the formative years, what about who raised the family of four they have? How about running the household or mental health support and all those intangibles behind the scenes like business chats at home etc. Generally speaking workaholics like Jeff Bezos in fact heavily rely on their support networks for many facets of their lives running well.

Did you know she was one of the first employees and accountants for Amazon? There's chatter she helped come up with the name Amazon and they were married for 25 years. She was also previously a hedge fund manager, prize winning author and graduated from Princeton. That's no small drop in the ocean and a wealth of experience for Jeff to leverage/collaborate with as well.

Is that worth 25-50% of Amazon? How would I know. Did she do nothing to earn it? Fuck off with that.

I built a company over the last 21 years, my wife has been with me during 19 years of that and counting. Our relationship was sparse early on when I worked 7 days a week and 3 jobs while she worked 2 jobs; it's what put us into the property market where we 2.5 multiplied our wealth within 7 years. She does more in terms of social, household and child rearing than I did in the early formative years. Wifey is a certified bookkeeper and does the books for my company quarterly and isn't employed directly but we're constantly talking about moves, clients, mental support, family sustain etc. She'd deserve a very large chunk of "my success". In fact I/we don't even think of it that way, it's our success.

I'd recommend you change your thinking on this, from personal experience.

Nice spin on "hedge fund Mackenzie". She was a recruiter then Senior Vice President Bezos' assistant. She was smart and a hard worker. No need to overstate her importance.

I'm sure she was a loving, supportive, wife, but fuck off with that nonsense that Amazon was somehow successful because of her running the household or business chats. Let me guess? Windows was all Melinda Gates' idea? I'm sure all of the richest women in the world (most of who all inherited wealth from a man) earned it from their support too.
 
The Left: Billionaire white men should not exist. They do not get where they are at without completely fucking everyone else over

Also the Left: Omg, Mackenzie was basically Amazon. Without her, there is no Amazon. She deserves to be one of the richest people to ever exist.



Nice spin on "hedge fund Mackenzie". She was a recruiter then Senior Vice President Bezos' assistant. She was smart and a hard worker. No need to overstate her importance.

I'm sure she was a loving, supportive, wife, but fuck off with that nonsense that Amazon was somehow successful because of her running the household or business chats. Let me guess? Windows was all Melinda Gates' idea? I'm sure all of the richest women in the world (most of who all inherited wealth from a man) earned it from their support too.

Funny you'd mention Melinda Gates. Read up on Bill and you'll see how much he credits her in his life, also how accomplished she is as well.

Take your own argument, Bill would not have started the Gates Foundation without Melinda throughout his life. This would equate to "The Pledge" for half giving away your obscene wealth not being a thing and influencing so many other 1%-ers. Think about what you just posted with that very example.
 

Weiji

Banned
I mean that’s very nice. The older I get the more I wonder why these billionaires aren’t more like Andrew Carnegie or Vanderbilt or Rockefeller. Of course those guys were all rich. But they also built up their communities in measurable ways. They took they’re money and built stuff. Why don’t guys like Zuckerberg and Bezos build anything cool?

Because they don’t fear god. They know they will rot in the ground and their primary concern is ensuring their kids don’t squander the wealth and power they’ve left them.

Thus charities that pretend to be philanthropic for PR but actually act as a tax shelter and control of which confer political power to friends and family.
 

Papa

Banned
Funny you'd mention Melinda Gates. Read up on Bill and you'll see how much he credits her in his life, also how accomplished she is as well.

Take your own argument, Bill would not have started the Gates Foundation without Melinda throughout his life. This would equate to "The Pledge" for half giving away your obscene wealth not being a thing and influencing so many other 1%-ers. Think about what you just posted with that very example.

Melinda’s influence on Bill’s career has not been a positive one. She is a raging feminist who convinced one of the most brilliant tech minds in history to abandon his craft and play god instead.
 

isual

Member
theres so many ignorant and uneducated plebs here. its like that post in the cdpr investor call thread where the user typed 'fuck investors'.

keep stayin poor plebs
 
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Amory

Member
Because they don’t fear god. They know they will rot in the ground and their primary concern is ensuring their kids don’t squander the wealth and power they’ve left them.

Thus charities that pretend to be philanthropic for PR but actually act as a tax shelter and control of which confer political power to friends and family.
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Melinda’s influence on Bill’s career has not been a positive one. She is a raging feminist who convinced one of the most brilliant tech minds in history to abandon his craft and play god instead.

Subjective, arguably incorrect. I guess that's where we differ, I think we need more current day Bill Gates than we do old school "kill your rivals for share prices" Bill. Same goes for Bezos, dude has killed enormous swaths of SMEs through ruthless loss leading, he even sued the USA government because AWS lost a military contract to Azure in presales. This version of Bezos is not the type of world leaders we need, same goes for old school Bill.
 
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