Billbill-kun: Horizon Lego is day 1 on PC and PS5

That 100% part is wrong, but in theory I actually agree. Lego is a series, and they put different cameo IP in there. Same with Musou games. Doesn't really matter at all though. It's a 2nd party game using a Sony IP, published by Sony.

Nintendo has multiple spin-offs they've experimented with and they're all exclusive. Crypt of the Necrodancer Zelda, Musou Fire Emblem, Mario x Rabies. They even famously shot down Fortnite using their IP because they wanted it only on the Switch version. That's all that needs to be said here. Sony agreed to put it on PC day 1. End of story.

I dont understand why some still doubt the obvious. If you are happy with a cheap entry point for gaming (with big follow up cost if you game alot) than stick with consoles if you aint happy with that build a pc (with bigger entry costs)

Consoles are defacto low to mid end pcs with yet another benefit gone no matter what cerny said.
 
True, but my point was this isn't some new trend and we can expect "tentpole single player games" day and date from studios Sony owns

No one is saying they'll change their stance on everything starting from today. But these are steps in that direction, we can all acknowledge that. It's a far-cry from their modus operandi just 2, 3 years ago.
 
Why would SIE put less money in a spinoff of one of their biggest recent tentpole IP, than a new installment for a lesser-known IP? A cheap-feeling Horizon game could screw up a lot more things given the sales that IP has generated.
Because LEGO Horizon only exists with the purpose of expanding the target audience of the franchise. It doesn't need and will not have a big budget.
IMO this LEGO Horizon game probably has a similar budget to the new Astro Bot.
Lol nah, more akin to Sackboy: A Big Adventure (another small scale SIE Europe project).
Which, ideally, should mean it's priced similarly to Astro Bot. But if it's $20 less, well that's just another problem IMO; SIE asking PS owners to spend more because the game is exclusive to their platform, when they could probably have spent less if it were a Day 1 PC release.
That doesn't make any sense, if SIE is asking its users to spend more on a full PS5 exclusive than a PS5 console exclusive, that has everything to do with the scope and budget of the project.
If LEGO Horizon Adventures is $40 while Astro Bot is $60, it's because it's a much more important release for SIE, that's it.
Plus you know a PC port of something like Astro Bot is likely inevitable, so knowing as a console owner you could've bought the game cheaper at launch if it were PC Day 1, AND seeing PC users still get it cheaper a little later...that can create some resentment as a console owner perhaps.
Nope! If Astro Bot was on PC day 1, it would still be a $60 game.
 
No one is saying they'll change their stance on everything starting from today. But these are steps in that direction, we can all acknowledge that. It's a far-cry from their modus operandi just 2, 3 years ago.

It's not a step in any direction. It's not their IP and not their studio making it

Sony could easily release Astro day 1 on PC. A studio and IP they own, they aren't
 
I am failing to see how LEGO has leverage over Sony in where a game with Sony's IP is released.

LEGO isn't a massive brand compared to PlayStation. How could they dictate where this game is released, when they're using a Sony IP?
dude, what? LEGO is absolutely massive

 
True, but my point was this isn't some new trend and we can expect "tentpole single player games" day and date from studios Sony owns
I think that's probably true, but I'm still just milking the enjoyment from this thread for all its worth.

I think when Herman said they were being strategic they meant delayed releases for the bigtime stuff. But I also don't really trust anything that guy is saying at this point, and I didn't trust Ryan either. They could change it again and I would be completely unsurprised. At this point though, I don't think they really have a pressing need to do the big graphics showpiece single player stuff day 1 on PC. They'll use those to keep the console ecosystem going while they keep building up their PC presence.

To me that means they are hedging their bets and anticipate that everything could shift that way soon. But they'll use the big time stuff to ride the console wave while it still is there, maybe for just 1 more gen.
 
The new controllers don't have the same build quality than before, i already changed 2 series x controllers and i use them not that often.

Pinnacle my ass, you can get controllers with the same form factor that bury the series x controller in term of features for less money.
I've had zero issues and I use alllll the time. I'd put build quality over the One generation. And otherwise I stand by my original post. 🤗. My favorite controller ever.
 
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It's not a step in any direction. It's not their IP and not their studio making it

Sony could easily release Astro day 1 on PC. A studio and IP they own, they aren't

6 years ago a then Sony affiliate, now first party, studio said Spider Man will never come to PC.
4 years ago Herman Hulst said just because Horizon is coming to PC, doesn't mean other games will too.
1 week ago, Herman Hulst said their SP Narrative games will come to PS5 first, already disproven by Until Dawn.


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6 years ago a then Sony affiliate, now first party, studio said Spider Man will never come to PC.
4 years ago Herman Hulst said just because Horizon is coming to PC, doesn't mean other games will too.
1 week ago, Herman Hulst said their SP Narrative games will come to PS5 first, already disproven by Until Dawn.


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I am failing to see how LEGO has leverage over Sony in where a game with Sony's IP is released.

LEGO isn't a massive brand compared to PlayStation. How could they dictate where this game is released, when they're using a Sony IP?

LEGO might have a preference for the game reaching as many platforms as possible, but I don't think this preference is anything close to even attempting to strong-arm Sony. LEGO is not developing the game, nor are they publisher. They have virtually no financial risk. Sure they make more money the more the game sells, but they don't take a loss if it doesn't. Video games are Sony's arena and if Sony didn't want their character day one on PC, they wouldn't have done it. I can't imagine a scenario where LEGO goes "if you don't put it on PC too it will kill the deal", especially in the presence of other cross-promotion (Horizon LEGO sets).

There are Lego sets based on Mickey and Friends. Now imagine a Mickey & Friends LEGO show, but LEGO decides to use their weight to insist it be on more streaming platforms aside from Disney+, so they make more royalties. WHAT PLANET LOL
 
Their messaging hasn't changed from what it was in 2022

None of their studios of SP games has released day and date

Things can change, this isn't evidence of it
And I think you are mistaken and like many have said its a step in the right direction even if a very little step and not just ripping the band aid off

But we can go back and forth all day, neither of us are changing the others mind
 
Their messaging hasn't changed from what it was in 2022

None of their studios of SP games has released day and date

Things can change, this isn't evidence of it
The only area I am sincerely confused about is their 2nd party stuff. We know SQEX has likely dropped most of their exclusive stuff moving forward (3rd party). But you have Horizon Lego going PC day 1. What about Death Stranding 2? Could go either way. Then you have Stella Blade and Rise of the Ronin seemingly with late PC ports coming, but unconfirmed.

But then you have stuff like Astro Bot that isn't hitting PC, but isn't a tentpole game. So I could see some of these smaller experimental games just not hitting PC at all, but yet they even made an adapter for PSVR2 which is not selling much either.

That's my main areas I'm confused with now I guess.
 
And I think you are mistaken and like many have said its a step in the right direction even if a very little step and not just ripping the band aid off

But we can go back and forth all day, neither of us are changing the others mind

Ok so when can we expect the next day and date PC SP take from a tentpole Sony studios production?

Should be next year if this is a sea change decision.

Why not AstroBot this year?
 
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So your only evidence is a 6 year old tweet?

Yes, that's literally the only real-world example in that post, you cracked the code. :rolleyes:

Things can change, this isn't evidence of it
Yeah things can change, there's nothing suggesting a change in strategy now

It's like you've buried your head in the sand here, James.

1. No one is saying they will do a 180* in one month. It is a gradual, on-going process. We've already seen it changing in front of our eyes.
2. If you can't see how they've literally been changing their own strategy over the last couple of months, if not years, then even a literal biblical angel coming down from the heavens and telling you this won't be able to change your mind.
 
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So shouldn't LEGO being able to make sets based on Horizon characters & locations be enough? Why do they also get leverage in dictating what platforms the game comes out on?

Again, we literally have Nintendo & Ubisoft right there to look at as a comparable example. Ubisoft is a 3P publisher. They own Rayman & the Raving Rabbits. Yet somehow, Nintendo were able to dictate those crossover games remained Nintendo platform exclusives.

Why can Nintendo set those terms with Ubisoft, but SIE can't with LEGO? This is not making any sense 😂
How do I know? Neither I nor you know anything about the terms of the agreement, we are just speculating, and I think it's perfectly fair to speculate that as part of any agreement that day one PC may have been negotiated.

Also, why do you keep bringing up other games or other companies? Every contract of this nature will have negotiations, clauses, promises etc. and every one is different.
 
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That game is already on PC and has been for ages
Nah, the game is 9 years old though, this is a remake of course, but it's similar to Last of Us Part 1 in being an up to date remake (this is going through a change of engine though as it's not being made by Supermassive)
 
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If it's a change in direction it should be soon otherwise your claims are just bullshit

I just can't anymore with you, no one believes "change in the right direction" means their very next game or its bullshit

I think you are being intentionally obtuse and like some of the parody accounts here are just trying to farm engagement

The original game has been, is the one you linked not some sort of remake?
 
The original game has been, is the one you linked not some sort of remake?

Until Dawn (the original) has been a PS4 exclusive till now, this is a full remake made on a new engine and they've redone the game play mechanics (or the camera mechanics at least), they haven't said yet but I reckon it's not gonna be a budget price release. Probably $60 or $70.
 
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Until Dawn (the original) has been a PS4 exclusive till now, this is a full remake made on a new engine and they've redone the game play mechanics (or the camera mechanics at least), they haven't said yet but I reckon it's not gonna be a budget price release. Probably $60 or $70.
Gotcha

I see that now the remake is PS5 and PC, my bad
 
I just can't anymore with you, no one believes "change in the right direction" means their very next game or its bullshit

I think you are being intentionally obtuse and like some of the parody accounts here are just trying to farm engagement


The original game has been, is the one you linked not some sort of remake?
He's more of a fanboy that doesn't want to admit the truth. Xbox Fans were like that back in 2016.
 
No one expects the next Naughty Dog game to release on PC day 1 but the overton window clearly continues to shrink closer towards everything on PC day 1. Until Dawn Remake shows that remakes is in play for day 1. If Lego Horizon is on PC it shows that externally-developed games but SIE-published games are in play for day 1. Would a game like say Stellar Blade or Physint be PC day 1 if it was signed by SIE today?

Next in line is obviously going to be some PSVR game launching on both PC and PS5 after they've launched PSVR2 on PC this fall. After that it would be some non-tentpole internally-developed game which is deemed to have great PC (or Mobile) appeal, a game like Dreams I can totally see being released on PC day 1 if it was developed today for instance.

That would leave those 5-10 tentpole titles per generation which of course will be the biggest holdouts. Before any of them launches day 1 on PC we can of course see the release delay shift from 2-years to say 1-year, or available via PS Cloud Streaming service on any device. I don't see anything happening day 1 this generation. If it happens I think it's going to be decided by the gaming landspace looking different in the the late 2020s and 2030s and needing to be on everything to support $500M-$1BN games financially.
 
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No one expects the next Naughty Dog game to release on PC day 1 but the overton window clearly continues to shrink closer towards everything on PC day 1. Until Dawn Remake shows that remakes is in play for day 1. If Lego Horizon is on PC it shows that externally-developed games but SIE-published games are in play for day 1. Would a game like say Stellar Blade or Physint be PC day 1 if it was signed by SIE today?

Next in line is obviously going to be some PSVR game launching on both PC and PS5 after they've launched PSVR2 on PC this fall. After that it would be some non-tentpole internally-developed game which is deemed to have great PC (or Mobile) appeal, a game like Dreams I can totally see being released on PC day 1 if it was developed today for instance.

That would leave those 5-10 tentpole titles per generation which of course will be the biggest holdouts. Before any of them launches day 1 on PC we can of course see the release delay shift from 2-years to say 1-year, or available via PS Cloud Streaming service on any device. I don't see anything happening day 1 this generation. If it happens I think it's going to be decided by the gaming landspace looking different in the the late 2020s and 2030s and needing to be on everything to support $500M-$1BN games financially.

Poor noshino won't have any chance against the bully hulst.
 
I just can't anymore with you, no one believes "change in the right direction" means their very next game or its bullshit

You can believe that Sony will inevitably go day and date with everything, but this example is not evidence of any step forward in that regard.

I can believe that hardware will also go away and everything will be cloud based and NVDA will own everyone including both Microsoft and Sony in 20 years but there's no evidence for that in the here and now
 
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So do we think that Lego came to sony and said we want to license horizon can we make a game but you have to make it for pc and ps5 and dont release it on xbox ans switch.

It's sony convincing their hardcore base that exclusive aint needed anymore slowly but surely. Actually I prefer the spencer way of saying everything going forward is gonna be on pc. It has the same outcome but its more honest.

I like exclusives on all platforms because I think it makes stuff more interesting, but if you start doing this than stop it altogether. Release everything on every platform and store page possible.

That's one of the few things I will ever give Spencer and Xbox credit for over these past few years: at least when it came to PC, they stated everything upfront, particularly around 2020. So at least customers knew all the info they needed to know upfront regarding platforms, so they could make the choice that best worked for them without feeling like they're being yanked around for double-dips. Same with them saying everything is Day 1 in Game Pass; at that point it's your choice to either buy the game or just access it for "free" in a subscription service.

MS are horrible at transparency when it comes to sales metrics to investors & shareholders for gaming, but they're pretty good at it WRT customers knowing certain things so they can be secure in choosing how they spend their dollars, whether it's buying the game on Xbox or buying it on Steam, or buying it on Windows Store, or just subbing to Game Pass to play it. All options Day 1, you know that for certain.

Sony/SIE are incredibly ambiguous with their multiplat strategy, probably because they're wanting people with a console & PC to double-dip. Or for those who'd choose between one or the other, feel like they need to get the console because communication just isn't clear on if a game will come to PC, or when, if ever. I mean even if there is a clear cadence a dedicated observer can make out, official word won't confirm it, so there is always that ambiguity.

While on one hand I guess that's "smart", on the other hand and especially as time goes on, I can see how it's kinda messed up. You're obfuscating info from a customer that they could've otherwise used to better plan how to use their spending money. I'm just a point where, if SIE/Sony are in fact going to put everything on PC, or if they are in fact going to do Day 1 for even non-GAAS titles, then just come out and say it. If there's some internal mandate on that front, just make it public. Rip off the band-aid.

DS is an interesting example because although Sony owns the IP, they didn't publish the first game on PC. 505 Games did. I would love to know what the nature of that contract is that Kojima negotiated with Sony and whether DS2 has a similar contract.

Same. I assume SIE will be publishing DS2, since they have a PC publishing label now. But I'm more curious if it's going to be a Day 1 PS5 & PC release; at this point it feels like that's a 50:50. Topher Topher put up that graphic earlier in the thread (previous page) where you get the sense, by SP, narrative-focus 1P, SIE are referring to games from their own internal studios.

Since KojiPro aren't a 1P studio, technically speaking even stuff like DS2 could be exempt and they could definitely try going Day 1 PS5 & PC with it. We'll see what happens.

That 100% part is wrong, but in theory I actually agree. Lego is a series, and they put different cameo IP in there. Same with Musou games. Doesn't really matter at all though. It's a 2nd party game using a Sony IP, published by Sony.

Nintendo has multiple spin-offs they've experimented with and they're all exclusive. Crypt of the Necrodancer Zelda, Musou Fire Emblem, Mario x Rabies. They even famously shot down Fortnite using their IP because they wanted it only on the Switch version. That's all that needs to be said here. Sony agreed to put it on PC day 1. End of story.

Thank you. This is all there really is to it. SIE have the leverage in this relationship; it was their choice on whether to make this game a PS5 exclusive or not, and they chose not to.

Folks thinking it was LEGO mandating a PC release...I genuinely don't know how they are arriving at that conclusion.
 
I'm just a point where, if SIE/Sony are in fact going to put everything on PC, or if they are in fact going to do Day 1 for even non-GAAS titles, then just come out and say it. If there's some internal mandate on that front, just make it public. Rip off the band-aid

They've said it clear as day

Day 1 live service

Day….later for single player tent pole games from their studios
 
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