Killjoy-NL
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Thanks to Lego, I known how to assemble Ikea products without having screw leftovers.
Billbill-kun: Horizon Lego is day 1 on PC and PS5
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GHG
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BlackTron
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People are flexing over a Lego game being the "day one Sony game on PC"?
It's brilliant.
Once the vast untapped market of PC gamers has the chance to experience a game featuring Sony IP day one, they won't able to make enough consoles when the next Horizon game comes out as an exclusive.
Mark my words.
bender
What time is it?
midnightAI
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Well, not to put words in Hulst's mouth, but did he specify what he meant by first party? Because normally when you are talking in those terms you'd only be talking about what you control, which is internal studios. If that is the case and if this is being developed by a third party then where is the contradiction. Also, why do people take everything so literally? Business decisions are made constantly and so long as it's in their best interests what's so wrong about a Lego game going multiplatform no matter which Sony IP they choose? Seems like a win-win to me. They lose zero credibility (well, except for those who don't want Sony to do well anyway)
BlackTron
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Lmfao.
edit: I'm sorry I want to reply to this cogently but I just can't right now.
lol
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Fabieter
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This is Phil Spencer kinda twisting which is ridiculous.
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
bro you got a fetish
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Baby steps. If this is what they're announcing just days after their CEO interview, imagine what gets announced 6 months later.
Last of us Part 3 PC Enhanced re-release before the PS6 version.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Before we know it, all future Playstation games will be exclusive to PC
sloppyjoe_gamer
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8bit response
Fabieter
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I wouldnt be shocked at this point.
midnightAI
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And it's just my opinion, and it's all I personally care about, as I've mentioned several times of Sony release an internal studios game on PC day and date that isn't GaaS or MLB then that's a whole other conversation about exclusivity and what it means to the platform. I personally don't give a shit about some Lego game or Until Dawn remaster/remake coming to PC day and date as they are both made by third parties regardless of where the IP comes from or who published it, heck, I wouldn't give a damn if Ronin and Stellar Blade were PC day and date.
The only thing that affects me as a consumer is anything that could damage Playstation so that it affects me getting their hardware/software in the future, I'm not a shareholder, I have no stake other than playing the games I want to play on my preferred platform. And the only thing I see affecting that potentially in the short to medium term is if Sony's big hitters (aka internally developed games) come day and date to other platforms which 'could' affect hardware sales which 'could' affect future hardware and software development.
Fabieter
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Yea its okay to have these day one and next in line its gonna be okay to have last of us part 3 and the new god of war day one. They are slowly manipulate their fanbase to give up on the idea of exclusives.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
In my experience, thanks to Lego, I became good in bed.
midnightAI
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Except that's not what I said, but ok
graywolf323
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Lego even got billing before Star Wars in that list of trademarksIn the context of the discussion, Lego is an IP. That's a fact. That isn't debatable. Here.....
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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That's great for your kids and I'm glad they will be enjoying the game regardless. But the reason I like discussing this stuff is because it informs me on the direction these companies are going in, and whether or not that direction is one I necessarily am in favor of.
But Sony...Sony OWN the Horizon IP!!!
This is 100% their game. Or are you willing to say, Helldivers 2 is not their game? Because that's what Phil Spencer was trying to say months ago.
If he was wrong then, you're wrong now.
I dunno, man. The whole situation is just messy all around, and that's SIE's fault. I see this the same way I see stuff like Helldivers 2: whether it's a 1P studio making the game or not, SIE are the ones who own the IP rights. Or, half the IP rights in this game's case, since like you said, they don't own the LEGO IP.
But if this is in fact not a GAAS, and it's in fact releasing Day 1 on PC, then as far as I'm concerned, what was said at the investor's call on May 30th was a lie. Sure, LEGO Horizon itself may not be a "tentpole game" since it's a spinoff, but it's absolutely based on a tentpole SIE IP, it's non-GAAS (or at best has optional MP like Ghosts), and yet it's seemingly PC Day 1. So why would Herman say what he said at the investor's call?
Did they really think "tentpole" only meant games specifically made by their 1P internal teams? That it wouldn't mean that same game, or a spinoff of that IP, made by a 3P in collaboration with SIE, just because the 3P isn't an internal 1P team? If that's the case I think SIE have looked at this the wrong way.
So you think somehow, LEGO have leverage over SIE in a way even Disney & Marvel do not?
Sorry, I just don't buy that. And Spiderman is a much bigger IP than LEGO, so if anything Marvel would have the leverage to push Day 1 PC. Yet they haven't (at least, not yet).
Not like this matters much going forward; I can already feel whether pressured or not, SIE are moving towards Day 1 for all games to PC anyway. Just a matter of when. As someone who knows the power and benefits of genuine exclusives to a given platform, this is a shitty scenario playing out.
I genuinely don't think we're ever going to see the limit-pushing innovations of late PS2 or PS3 SIE ever again.
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Topher
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Anyone who says this is Sony's game or Lego's game is partially wrong. Lego owns Lego and Sony owns Horizon. Cleary both companies own a part of this game.
Not sure how Helldiver's 2 is compable outside of the fact that it is not made by a PlayStation studio.
James Sawyer Ford
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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C'mon, that's cap. Everyone who sees this game revealed is going to associate it with Horizon before they do LEGO.
If it were just a LEGO game with Horizon characters, I don't think SIE would be as involved as they are. Nor would it likely have anything more than a few Horizon characters & weapons, if it were a game with the LEGO side driving the terms.
Yeah that part I'm 100% in agreement with.
Because it's a game where SIE own the IP rights, so they held the leverage in platform releases. Like you said, SIE don't own the LEGO IP, but I don't think that could've prevented them from making this a PS5 exclusive if that's what SIE wanted.
I mean after all, Nintendo have the Raving Rabbits games exclusive to their platform and those characters are part of the Rayman IP which is owned by Ubisoft. So clearly even in situations like these, the platform holder I would assume is the driving partner in the dynamic so things like platforms, is up to them, especially if they're covering development costs.
Then they're complete fools
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James Sawyer Ford
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Topher
Identifies as young
Well.....I guess it is time to go back and actually parse out what Hulst said. Yes, he did specifically mention "tentpole" titles and he also specifically pointed to PlayStation Studios from the presentation that fall under "Single-player, Narrative" titles.
Here is the video:
So no, I don't see the lie here. He was very specific in what he said and I just don't see how it applies to a colloboration with Lego. Feel free to disagree.
Edit: Here is the part of the presentation that shows the "Single-player, Narrative" studios he was referring to:
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AmuroChan
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I totally understand. I own Sony stocks so I'm very much invested in the direction of the company. IMO I think this is a one off when it comes to non-live service games. I don't think their tentpole AAA single player games will be releasing on PC day 1 anytime soon. This is one of those scenarios where it's a dual IP collab (LEGO + Horizon) and my guess is their target audience (kids) will just see it as a LEGO game.
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midnightAI
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No? What I'm saying is every contract is different, what Marvel wants and what Lego want may not be the same.
Marvel for example, Sony is in bed with Marvel due to them having the movie rights already to Spider Man, they can promise Spider Man is front and center of everything Playstation does for a number of years. They even had the Spider Man font on the PS3. They marketed the shit out of those game. Not only that they pay a shit ton of money to Marvel just to have the IP. All of that would grant Sony exclusivity for Spider Man (and other IPs going forward). Sony wanted a Marvel IP, Marvel get advertising of their brand and huge royalty payments.
For Lego, it's more of a mutual IP agreement, Lego will be associated with Playstation for this game and Horizon will be associated with Lego. Sony get a game they can publish, Lego get an IP they can make Legos out of, it's a very different agreement and part of that agreement may have been to publish on two platforms.
One thing though, has this game been made in the past two weeks?
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nial
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Because one is a low-budget externally-developed SIE Europe project with co-op that will probably be sold at $40, while the other is the most important game directly developed by Sony Interactive Entertainment Inc. since what? The Legend of Dragoon in 1999? And SP-only sold at $60.
A little sad reminder on how Polyphony Digital Inc. started to massively overshadow its parent company since then.
mayham2199
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Kind of but during the interview Hulst did say SP games. So if it has Coop that's not an SP game. An SP game with coop isn't a thing. It's either a coop game or a SP game.But if its just single player with COOP and MTX added this opens the door
FoxMcChief
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analog_future
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TIL that Halo, Gears of War, Far Cry, Dying Light, Cuphead, etc.. etc.. are not single player games
sendit
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Agreed. If I can take anything away from Phil's metric for success, is that MAU numbers matter.The most important part though. Thank god
BlackTron
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Ok so now that I've caught my breath and tried to detangle it all, uhh...
-Some have the idea that Sony would prefer their IP to remain console exclusive for day one, but in this case, an exception was made because Lego, their contract partner, insisted on a PC version.
-Some think this is a silly idea. Of those people, some even think it's a silly idea because LEGO isn't really an IP, it's just the "format" of a game and therefore the above scenario would be impossible.
-Some have the idea that Sony would prefer their IP to remain console exclusive for day one, but in this case, an exception was made because Lego, their contract partner, insisted on a PC version.
-Some think this is a silly idea. Of those people, some even think it's a silly idea because LEGO isn't really an IP, it's just the "format" of a game and therefore the above scenario would be impossible.
mayham2199
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I've never considered Halo and Gears SP games. I played through both with ex's all the way through and it was amazing. Those are some of the best coop games I've ever played. Do you honestly place Gears and Halo as SP games? I've always told people they are coop games. You can play by yourself if you want but the experience is much better with a friend.
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Mr Moose
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Do you mean the campaigns? Because Halo and Gears are absolutely not single player games, they have MP.
HeisenbergFX4
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So add a coop mode to literally anything moving forward and we are done
Venom Snake
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
So add a coop mode to literally anything moving forward and we are done
And if your game has any purchasable item packs, it's also MTX and along for the ride.
Self_Destructive
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I remember when Herman Hulst told people that Horizon Zero Dawn was just one game and it didn't mean more were coming... 
Topher
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I remember when Herman Hulst told people that Horizon Zero Dawn was just one game and it didn't mean more were coming...
Yeah, that was bullshit
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Good move on this particular one. I'll support it on PC or the Pro.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I remember when Herman Hulst told people that Horizon Zero Dawn was just one game and it didn't mean more were coming...
Puscifer
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That's what I was thinking. No way Lego was gonna let them license it out without touching as many systems as possible. It's a nothing burger, don't get your hopes up
ArtHands
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I remember when Herman Hulst told people that Horizon Zero Dawn was just one game and it didn't mean more were coming...
Sony and their fans says a lot of things. Lots of imaginary hurdles to why this and that don't count. Just get used to it.
Meanwhile let Sony keep releasing their 1st party titles like this on PC.
HeisenbergFX4
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I know people don't want to hear this but even for these guys plans changeI remember when Herman Hulst told people that Horizon Zero Dawn was just one game and it didn't mean more were coming...
Have said this a few times here but heard Phil Spencer talk about stuff maybe 5 years ago now in a private type of setting that never did happen
Talked about some games that were in production (supposedly) that I never heard any more about to this day
Topher
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That's true, but we are not talking about things happening years down the road here. HZD hit PC in Aug 2020 and less than a year later it was followed by Days Gone and then in 2022 the flood gates opened up. Seems pretty clear to me that Hulst was trying to ease folks into PS on the PC ports in the exact same way Phil Spencer was trying to break the news to Xbox fans about PS ports.
HeisenbergFX4
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Flip side I know they straight up lie as well as I have also heard Phil say certain things yet say the exact opposite in some interview especially when it comes to having Gamepass everywhere and games on other platforms
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
EverydayBeast
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Pc should be respected and day 1 is fair if you look at multiplatform games they're day 1 across platforms.