Bioshock Infinite - Review Thread [UP: IGN exclusive split PC/Console review up]

I take hilarious enjoyment in reading the first few pages of comments in this thread before every other review was released.

Hey IGN haters, how does that crow taste?
 
a3den said:
It's a review for the standalone game, hence the note. Be reassured, the guy who wrote it got shat on for that note. He's kind of a funny troll anyway, he hosts their weekly shows and he says "<insert overrated AAA game of the month> is a shitty game" almost once a week.

Gamekult is not that harsh, it's just that they never ever gave 10/10 (there's a cultural thing behind this, school/uni marks used to be like that in France). Consider their 8 as a 9 if you'd like.
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What he said. Also, were you referring to this? That pic of him has been floating around on the Internet and I find it both funny and accurate.

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Somnid said:
I think part of it is some of us got fooled the first 2 times with Bioshock 1 and 2 which both had universal praise which was later decided to be off the mark as they had big issues ranging from overpromising, to DRM, to flawed gameplay. I would expect the intelligent gamer to approach this with cautious optimism as much credibility has been tarnished, not just with the series but of reviewers of the series.
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Well, I often find that I can go back and find flaws in even the greatest games. But as long as the good outweighs the bad enough for me, then that sort of monocle wearing nit-pickery is just not something I resort to. But everyone is of course different and some cannot help but to see flaws in anything and everything. And in doing so, they often tend to lose a measure of fun and what good things a game does as well.

As for my optimism? It is tempered and I always reserve final judgment until I play a game, but at the same time, I am definitely hyped for what is being praised as something that is in the same realm as Half-Life. Hard to ignore that kind of talk. But at the end of day, I'll still be satisfied if it is just a great game, even with whatever flaws I am sure can be found if you look hard enough.
 
upJTboogie said:
They're probably reading the text.
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There are good written reviews and from my impression quite a few them mention flaws or explain things like that the game is linear, combat focused ect.

Of course if they slap a 9 underneath then the review is obviously worthless.
 
Oh man, so I guess we can just call GOTY right now?

Too bad I'm not going to be able to afford it for at least 2 or 3 weeks. This sucks.
 
Poker360 said:
People are so silly.

If the game scored 7/10 - 8/10 range everyone be like OMG FLOP.

Game averaging a 95 on meta, a score most games never get, and people are calling it "oh it was expected blahblahbalh.. overhyped ermagherd"

Regardless of what it scores, no one is EVER happy.

At what point do we just sit down and accept game reviews for what they are?
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Nah, plenty of individual people are happy. But a universal, unanimous opinion? That's never gonna happen. Ever. Is there a single game, book, movie, anything that is universally loved by every single person in the world? Nope. And people love to be argumentative, so of course they're going to pipe up and that's what you'll see on the internet.

I'd say the vast majority of people are happy Infinite turned out so well and got good scores. But that's not exactly the type of opinion that makes you run to the computer and tell everyone what you think.
 
The Crusty Juggler said:
Reviews for games like this are always a paradox really. Even if the game was awful, I doubt any of the reviews would say so. There is just too much hype.
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Didn't Resident Evil 6 get a lot of bad reviews? EG gave a 4 to Sim City. Edge gave a 6 to Crysis 3. We all know about Aliens: CM. It's not like every big game gets big scores and certainly not these kind of scores.
 
Loch Doun said:
I take hilarious enjoyment in reading the first few pages of comments in this thread before every other review was released.

Hey IGN haters, how does that crow taste?
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You're acting like IGN has a history of being bulletproof and that "exclusive" reviews don't have a history of being dodgy.
 
MormaPope said:
Adam Sessler's review of Infinite and what he wants out of a game is basically my own preferences or desires for videogames. Seeing how a minority bathroom is actually different than a whites only bathroom sealed the deal for me, there hasn't been a mature narrative for bigotry or racism in a mainstream game.

The fact that Infinite has real and not glamorized portrayals of America's past and how America still is allures me beyond belief, there have been enough games where the USA is the savior of the world, where the military is glamorized and shown to be a spectacle.

Infinite might be one of a few games where the player is treated like an adult, and that possibility alone excites me.
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Well said. That is the impression I am getting as well. A game that will make you stop in your tracks and think, in addition to some really exhilarating looking gameplay in a meticulously detailed world.
 
People are questioning these high scores due to how poorly the review system and just how untrustworthy these major reviewers have become over the last few years. I wouldn't trust 95% of them either, good or bad. Why should they be trusted. From Doritos gate, to Polygon basically having a masturbatory event for every new AAA release, these reviewers have destroyed any trust they may once have had.
 
bigdaddygamebot said:
You're acting like IGN has a history of being bulletproof and that "exclusive" reviews don't have a history of being dodgy.
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No. I am simply giving Ken Levine and his team the benefit of the doubt.

They deserve to be praised for making a great game, not shrouded in doubt and ridiculous conspiracy because of a review.
 
Watching Arthur Gies' review after Sessler's highlights how good Sessler is at this video review thing. Gies has a way with words, but man, he sounds so lifeless in comparison. The written review is good shit, though.
 
Loch Doun said:
No. I am simply giving Ken Levine and his team the benefit of the doubt.
They deserve to be praised for making a great game, not shrouded in doubt and conspiracy because of a review.
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Now they're getting that praise.

Considering the delays with the game and the exodus of people leaving the studio...and considering how that has impacted games in the past. It wasn't irrational of people to be concerned or expect the worst. This generation has done a pretty good job of lowering expectations.

It's great that the game appears to be exceptional but that doesn't make IGN any less of a mess and it doesn't make "exclusive first reviews" any less shifty. It just means that this time, it didn't matter.
 
So many of Gaf didn’t enjoy Bioshock? This is news to me, I thought it was a much loved game. Shows what I know, eh? It had a number of real standout gaming moments for me, particularly that return journey through the corridor of mannequins (“Where the fuck did they go…? Oh, there’s one. How did it get... Now wait a minute… OHDEARGODNO---”).

It seems there is a definite split opinion here (no shit) between those who prefer narrative-driven experiences and those who are in the gameplay-driven camp. I guess I’m kind of in the middle; if it works (narratively or gameplay-wise), I’m on board. Preferably, I’d like to have both but… yeah, doesn’t always work out like that, does it? From the experiences of those here and the reviews available, BI seems to lay its hat firmly in the former, much like its predecessor. I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing.

Still, for all the unanimous high praise/hyperbole its receiving in the press, an Edge 9/10 actually means something… to me, at least. I shall be purchasing come the morrow.
 
Loch Doun said:
No. I am simply giving Ken Levine and his team the benefit of the doubt.

They deserve to be praised for making a great game, not shrouded in doubt and ridiculous conspiracy because of a review.
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The exclusive reviews have nothing to do with the developers. Publishers are the dirty ones here.
 
ClovingWestbrook said:
People are questioning these high scores due to how poorly the review system and just how untrustworthy these major reviewers have become over the last few years. I wouldn't trust 95% of them either, good or bad. Why should they be trusted. From Doritos gate, to Polygon basically having a masturbatory event for every new AAA release, these reviewers have destroyed any trust they may once have had.
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That is a point well taken and I understand. But we are not dealing with a yearly COD or the like here. I am sure people will pick it apart and find some flaws, funny bugs, etc. But I think on the whole this is a game that may be a rare treat in many ways. It has quite obviously had a ton put into it over these past few years.
 
Loch Doun said:
No. I am simply giving Ken Levine and his team the benefit of the doubt.

They deserve to be praised for making a great game, not shrouded in doubt and ridiculous conspiracy because of a review.
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Being skeptical of a review from a site with a bit of a dodgy track record is not the same is outright hating a developer or a game.
 
Trying very hard not to read reviews or previews but has it been mentioned how linear this is? IS columbia an open town or are we moving from level to level with no going back. I have some time off this week and I'd like to spend as much time dicking around in this game as possible.
 
I'd also question how so many different games journalists can share the same opinion. That rarely happens in the music, TV or Film industry. It's almost hive mind mentality.

Again, I'm not trolling before anyone accuses me of it.
 
bigdaddygamebot said:
Considering the delays with the game and the exodus of people leaving the studio...and considering how that has impacted games in the past. It wasn't irrational of people to be concerned or expect the worst.
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I was never worried about this. Some games (or films) have these issues because they are leaderless, bouncing from one bad idea to the next, facing pressure from all sides with no one really clear about what direction they're headed in.

With this game, it was clearly a case of one man's uncompromising vision. Being willing to throw out things he felt weren't good. Being willing to start all over at times if necessary. Biting off more than you can chew because of the level of ambition involved, the pressure of following up something like Bioshock. It probably led to friction with others.

But while the former will always result in a bad game (or film), the latter can potentially still create something great.
 
The Crusty Juggler said:
I'd also question how so many different games journalists can share the same opinion. That rarely happens in the music, TV or Film industry. It's almost hive mind mentality.

Again, I'm not trolling before anyone accuses me of it.
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I'm wondering the same thing. If a review is truly subjective, how can everyone have such similar opinions?
 
Do any reviews go into detail about console performance?

Still trying to decide between PS3 and PC. My laptop is pretty ass, but it can run Bioshock 1 on max settings with ~30-40fps. Not sure how well that will translate to Infinite since it is obviously a more technically impressive game.
 
antitrop said:
Just want to mention how glad I am that Adam hooked up with Revision3 and wasn't forced to find work outside of the industry.
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Adam is the man and fuck G4 for doing what they did to him and others.

You can tell he genuinely loves the industry and loves what he does and it shows in the work he puts into his reviews. I have never heard of Rev3 before he went there; they are now one of my regular stops around the internet.
 
NeoUltima said:
Do any reviews go into detail about console performance?

Still trying to decide between PS3 and PC. My laptop is pretty ass, but it can run Bioshock 1 on max settings with ~30-40fps. Not sure how well that will translate to Infinite since it is obviously a more technically impressive game.
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If you can get it on PC, get it on PC. Console performance isn't bad, but textures are awful and you do get occasional frame-rate drops. I also can't tell if it's running at full 720p - I suspect not.

I would not say that Infinite is more "technically impressive" at all - the main thing is that the outdoor levels are obviously far larger, which is probably where it runs into memory constraints on consoles.
 
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