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Black Adam - Review Thread

DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
To be fair JSA new they couldn't win. It was stated they could only slow Black Adam down because his hangover from a 5000 year sleep. And that they needed to convince him to say SHAZAM! voluntarily. IMOO the movie tried to make it as plausible as it could be. It could be argued Hawkman's tech and invincible metal helped him survive, The mace helped him get in a few hits. And in the apartment fight B.Adam was just trolling Hawkman. That's why Dr.Fate was just sitting on the couch. The only real match was Superman as they showed in the end.

Exactly!
 
Just went to see it yesterday. The first act was really good but it started going downhill when the kid got captured and they had to rescue him. There's way too much focus on action scenes.
 

Bragr

Banned
To be fair JSA new they couldn't win. It was stated they could only slow Black Adam down because his hangover from a 5000 year sleep. And that they needed to convince him to say SHAZAM! voluntarily. IMOO the movie tried to make it as plausible as it could be. It could be argued Hawkman's tech and invincible metal helped him survive, The mace helped him get in a few hits. And in the apartment fight B.Adam was just trolling Hawkman. That's why Dr.Fate was just sitting on the couch. The only real match was Superman as they showed in the end.
But he was fast and slow consistently throughout the movie, it made no sense. He was fast right from the getgo when he awakened when he took out those guards. And sometimes he used lighting on everyone, and suddenly he stopped. Is hawkman a normal human? that makes no sense either.

Why didn't fate just tell everyone what to do since he knew everything?
 

Amiga

Member
But he was fast and slow consistently throughout the movie, it made no sense. He was fast right from the getgo when he awakened when he took out those guards. And sometimes he used lighting on everyone, and suddenly he stopped. Is hawkman a normal human? that makes no sense either.

Why didn't fate just tell everyone what to do since he knew everything?
Super speed is a game breaking power. Flash shouldn't have trouble with majority of his villains but it has to be contradictory to make stories work. Adam likely avoided spamming lightning because it has a wide area of effect (and maybe it has a cooldown)
Hawkman has enhanced strength closer to Aquaman and Wonder Woman level. Further amplified by the suit and metal. Fate sees many futures but isn't sure what one will happen,
he was relived at the end when he couldn't see any more possibilities.
 

Bragr

Banned
Super speed is a game breaking power. Flash shouldn't have trouble with majority of his villains but it has to be contradictory to make stories work. Adam likely avoided spamming lightning because it has a wide area of effect (and maybe it has a cooldown)
Hawkman has enhanced strength closer to Aquaman and Wonder Woman level. Further amplified by the suit and metal. Fate sees many futures but isn't sure what one will happen,
he was relived at the end when he couldn't see any more possibilities.
Why are you trying to make sense of this absolutely shit movie? they shouldn't make stories work though, they should separate the universes instead of making it into a farce. It means that taking the lore seriously becomes impossible, as everything can be adjusted and bent. Why would Adam care about the area of effect? and there were several times when it didn't, where the main cast was close to it. It has a cooldown (lol)?

If fate isn't sure what will happen, then what is the point of the power at all if he can never be sure?

Let's face it, 75% of superhero lore and backstory and "level of powers" is hastily scribbled down nonsense by some comic book writer in 3 minutes. Very little thought and effort have gone into this. They just produced a bunch of heroes on a conveyor belt because it sold comic books so it's all poorly structured narratives that have been completely destroyed when they started to put them all into the same universe.
 

Amiga

Member
Let's face it, 75% of superhero lore and backstory and "level of powers" is hastily scribbled down nonsense by some comic book writer in 3 minutes. Very little thought and effort have gone into this. They just produced a bunch of heroes on a conveyor belt because it sold comic books so it's all poorly structured narratives that have been completely destroyed when they started to put them all into the same universe.
Comics were more grounded, Superman was just more powerful than a locomotive and faster than a bullet and could jump over a tall building but not fly. Kids asked the writers for more amazing feats and they wrote them in. The Shazamvers was based on magic from inception and C.Marvel and B.Adam got powered-up later to match Superman after getting absorbed into DC Comics. Numerous editors and writers over decades messed with comics lore. Readers got into comics at different eras and have different expectations. It's virtually impossible to lineup everything for everybody.
 

FunkMiller

Member
Let's face it, 75% of superhero lore and backstory and "level of powers" is hastily scribbled down nonsense by some comic book writer in 3 minutes. Very little thought and effort have gone into this. They just produced a bunch of heroes on a conveyor belt because it sold comic books so it's all poorly structured narratives that have been completely destroyed when they started to put them all into the same universe.

This is why I've only ever really been a big fan of Batman. Okay, he's still pretty ridiculous and he couldn't exist in the real world, but at least he's just an ordinary human being, so they can't just throw in a superpower to get him out of a tricky situation. You don't have the issue with him being almost indestructible one minute, and then weaker the next, dependent on what they need to happen with the plot. That's why any time you want a more mature, grounded comic book superhero storty, you have to go to Batman, because he's really the only one you can tell those kinds of stories with. Any time you introduce magical powers, you immediately undercut a lot of the storytelling weight.
 

Amiga

Member
This is why I've only ever really been a big fan of Batman. Okay, he's still pretty ridiculous and he couldn't exist in the real world, but at least he's just an ordinary human being, so they can't just throw in a superpower to get him out of a tricky situation. You don't have the issue with him being almost indestructible one minute, and then weaker the next, dependent on what they need to happen with the plot. That's why any time you want a more mature, grounded comic book superhero storty, you have to go to Batman, because he's really the only one you can tell those kinds of stories with. Any time you introduce magical powers, you immediately undercut a lot of the storytelling weight.
A main reason Superman wasn't copied a lot because he was difficult to write. Most of the Comic book heroes used to be grounded street level vigilantes. Doc Savage used to be the highest strength tier. But more powerful characters got introduced because that is what readers wanted and what got books off the shelf. Publishers were copying each other. Spider-Man worked because he had powers to showcase fantastic feats but with limits that still make him vulnerable to armed normals.

In Japan they try to keep their heroes vulnerable. The use of powers is usually limited. For example, Ultraman could only go full power for a few minutes.
 

G-Bus

Banned
Just got out. Way, way better than I expected. Better than a bunch of the MCU stuff of recent.

Hawkman was awesome. Dr faith > dr strange. Adam smasher was good and cyclone.. damn she pretty.

Black Adam.. yea...If it weren't for the rest of the cast this would have sucked ass imo.

Hopefully James gun and friend can right the ship because Im more interested in this than the MCU.
 

Amiga

Member
Hopefully James gun and friend can right the ship because Im more interested in this than the MCU.
DC has a deeper icon gallery than Marvel. And the DCMU is starting to utilize them well and is getting out of the Superman/Batman bubble. If DC get the Green Lanterns and the 4th World right the DCMU can supersede the MCU. Marvel can't afforded to drop the ball on the X-Men and F4.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
So I dug this quite a bit, it is a comic book ass comic book movie!

This is SOOOOOOO sloppy though. For all that budget spent on giant cinematic fight scenes and needlessly excessive show off effects (like the Professor X....err, I mean Hawkeye Mansion, the underwater Civil War....errr I mean DC supermax prison, random easily defeated zombies coming outta nowhere, etc) they could have split this plot into two films and probably come out ahead. BA versus the merc army then BA versus the crown of......old egyptian versions of the 7 deadly sins?

Still, it was really fun and fuuuuuuck did they show some violence. 'Bout 30 min in I was really regretting taking my 4th grade kid but fortunately the cruelty kills kinda fell off after that. He was pointing out all the marvelesque stuff though (is that Wakanda? Is that Ant-man?). The kid didn't bug me as much as some and I though BA stayed present throughout. Rocks charisma was on mute though, hopefully they can let him unwind a bit. I NEVER wanna see "pre-Cap Steve Rodgers" Rock again though, that was Mummy 2 levels of uncanny valley :p

I dug the "twist" such as it is, that stuff hits hard when you are there with your own son. But can the SHAZAM powers be passed on like that? I thought they needed the staff? Was that a safety upgrade made after BA or was the staff just how you make more Shazams, not necessarily how you can transfer the power? And what was Hawkman anyway? A budget Tony Stark techno genius or still an alien?

Anyway, despite all the narrative issues it was a damned fast paced action fest. Soundtrack was just bombastic as all get out as well. Sarah Shahi remains a most underappreciated goddess and the cyclone chick pulled off that curly red hair better than Ariel, Starfire, and Batwoman/girl combined.

AS I expected, this BA is not, and never was, any kind of villain. He shows about the level of respect for life any of these jackasses do when they roll into a densely populated urban environment and start punching holes through skyscrapers. So I suspect the level of "disagreement" betwixt BA and any of the JSA/JLA folks will be whether or not to just kill the bad guys and whatever contrivance to justify keeping them alive the writers can slap together (because lets me honest, if the heroes just decimate villain henchmen, I suspect the henchman union will lack for members soon enough).

I did like the subtle(ish) political themes and the admonishment to "clean up your own damn house" versus reliance on fickle external enforcers, as well as a jab at comic book focus on the US (and Europe a bit) versus the rest of the globe.
 

FunkMiller

Member
Following the box office with interest on this, and we're now in full blown flop territory (despite what a lot of desperate sounding trades are trying to spin, so they don't incur the wrath of Dwayne and his entourage).

What exactly are WBD going to do now?
 
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Amiga

Member
Following the box office with interest on this, and we're now in full blown flop territory (despite what a lot of desperate sounding trades are trying to spin, so they don't incur the wrath of Dwayne and his entourage).

What exactly are WBD going to do now?

- BA is the 12th biggest grossing movie of the year with just over 2 weeks out, on track to grab the 8th spot at least after the holydays.
- Cinema didn't fully recover from COVID. people are very selective now.
- Budget was 200 million, so already payed for the cost. and likely to reach 400 million at least, after that more revenue from syndication.
- little hype was generated and launched under very negative critic reception. marketing was ineffective, general audience don't know BA is part of the DCU, and he wasn't introduced in the JL movie or spinoffs.
- Fan reception though is very positive, should steadily build up an audience on streaming services.
 
- Budget was 200 million, so already payed for the cost. and likely to reach 400 million at least, after that more revenue from syndication.
$400M doesn’t cover a budget of $200M. It needs $500M to break even.

Boxoffice-wise, this is his 3rd consecutive flop.
 
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Amiga

Member
$400M doesn’t cover a budget of $200M. It needs $500M to break even.

400-200= -100

Oh My God Wow GIF by reactionseditor
 

SafeOrAlone

Banned
- BA is the 12th biggest grossing movie of the year with just over 2 weeks out, on track to grab the 8th spot at least after the holydays.
- Cinema didn't fully recover from COVID. people are very selective now.
- Budget was 200 million, so already payed for the cost. and likely to reach 400 million at least, after that more revenue from syndication.
- little hype was generated and launched under very negative critic reception. marketing was ineffective, general audience don't know BA is part of the DCU, and he wasn't introduced in the JL movie or spinoffs.
- Fan reception though is very positive, should steadily build up an audience on streaming services.
These aren’t strong excuses imo.

It didn’t make as much as they wanted and I don’t think the Covid excuse works anymore, as every film released has had to deal with that for a while now. The audience is as “back to normal” as it’s going to get, in that sense.

I also don’t think fan reception was that great. It’s fair but not great, which is why word of mouth isn’t helping the numbers all that much.

It also feels like most of the hype in online circles came from Superman, which doesn’t look good on this film.

That said, I don’t think The Rock/Black Adam is going anywhere.
I’m sure he will push for a bigger, badder sequel, but at the least, he will be the star up a group ensemble in another DC movie.
 

Amiga

Member
It didn’t make as much as they wanted
How much did they want? did they announce expectations?

I don’t think the Covid excuse works anymore, as every film released has had to deal with that for a while now. The audience is as “back to normal” as it’s going to get, in that sense.

Already mentioned that, in this new normal BA is set top be a top 10 grossing 2022 film.

I also don’t think fan reception was that great. It’s fair but not great

89 on RT, higher than Dr.Strange2 and Thor L&T

I still think it's an issue with regular marketing. All the non-nerd friends and family I talked to were puzzled about this character and didn't know what to make of him.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
I think the underwhelming performance is 100% due to them cutting out the trailer bait scene of him punching an F-22 out of the sky. :p
 

SafeOrAlone

Banned
How much did they want? did they announce expectations?



Already mentioned that, in this new normal BA is set top be a top 10 grossing 2022 film.



89 on RT, higher than Dr.Strange2 and Thor L&T

I still think it's an issue with regular marketing. All the non-nerd friends and family I talked to were puzzled about this character and didn't know what to make of him.
You always want to do much better than just barely breaking even. Otherwise, it's a ton of effort that could have been placed somewhere profitable.

You said people are still selective when it comes to going to the theater. If that's true, people were even more selective in the first half of the year, which means Black Adam being in the top ten of 2022 isn't all that impressive. If people are wary now of going to the theater, imagine how they felt in the first half of 2022. I just don't think it's relevant anymore. The playing field has been leveled for a while.

89% audience score but 40% critic score. But either way, if the word of mouth lived up to that 89%, we should see it reflected in the box office.

I didn't pay much attention to marketing, so I can't strongly speak to that. I saw plenty of commercials and marketing for this but it's hard to gauge.
I think it's simply hard to sell people on a character that isn't beloved. Marvel does it but that's built on the reputation they earned over time.

I think this movie could have done better if it was better though. Felt just passable to me.
 

Amiga

Member
You always want to do much better than just barely breaking even.

The movie is barley out 2 weeks and already in the black.

Otherwise, it's a ton of effort that could have been placed somewhere profitable.

Where? BA is the 2nd biggest opening for a 2022 WB movie after Batman.

Black Adam being in the top ten of 2022 isn't all that impressive.
And not bad.

89% audience score but 40% critic score. But either way, if the word of mouth lived up to that 89%, we should see it reflected in the box office.

How can word of mouth reflect on the opening period? It's supposed to bring audience in later weeks.

I didn't pay much attention to marketing, so I can't strongly speak to that.
That is it exactly marketing didn't reach you because it was ineffective.

I think it's simply hard to sell people on a character that isn't beloved. Marvel does it but that's built on the reputation they earned over time.

Marvel bundle their marketing. the fans are focused on a phase and know everything lined up. MCU movies setup other MCU movies perpetually. DCU have been doing standalones for a while. This helps focus production quality on each movie but it cut off c-list characters from the bandwagon effect.
 

FunkMiller

Member
400-200= -100

Oh My God Wow GIF by reactionseditor

The movie is barley out 2 weeks and already in the black.

You might want to brush up on how the box office works.

The movie company only gets half (at most) of the takings.

Black Adam cost 195-200 million, with 50-100 million of marketing - and that's being very conservative.

So, with a sunk cost of 250 million absolute minimum, it needs to make at least 500 million at the box office to break even, given that WB only get half.

It's not going to get anywhere near that without China. Likely stopping around the 400 - 420 million mark. So a healthy loss of at least 40 - 50 million dollars. They may... and I stress may be able to make that deficit back in the home market, but even that's a stretch for that much cash.

It's a flop.
 
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Alcibiades

Member
$400M doesn’t cover a budget of $200M. It needs $500M to break even.

Boxoffice-wise, this is his 3rd consecutive flop.
Box Office is a single measure. There still VOD, Blu-ray, and the benefit of another DC film on HBO Max. It also did its job of introducing a character no one had heard of to wider audiences.

As an investment from Warner Bros, it didn't do THAT bad, especially considering it didn't have the Marvel brand that elevates general audience interest for every film in the MCU.

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I'm also wondering if COVID-era difficulties in production inflated the budget somewhat. There was a period during 2020-2021 when everything took longer and there were strict safety guidelines.
 
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Box Office is a single measure. There still VOD, Blu-ray, and the benefit of another DC film on HBO Max. It also did its job of introducing a character no one had heard of to wider audiences.

As an investment from Warner Bros, it didn't do THAT bad, especially considering it didn't have the Marvel brand that elevates general audience interest for every film in the MCU.

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I'm also wondering if COVID-era difficulties in production inflated the budget somewhat. There was a period during 2020-2021 when everything took longer and there were strict safety guidelines.
You’re right - it might just break even. But there is no point in introducing a character if there’s no sequel.
 

Amiga

Member
You might want to brush up on how the box office works.

The movie company only gets half (at most) of the takings.

Black Adam cost 195-200 million, with 50-100 million of marketing - and that's being very conservative.

So, with a sunk cost of 250 million absolute minimum, it needs to make at least 500 million at the box office to break even, given that WB only get half.

It's not going to get anywhere near that without China. Likely stopping around the 400 - 420 million mark. So a healthy loss of at least 40 - 50 million dollars. They may... and I stress may be able to make that deficit back in the home market, but even that's a stretch for that much cash.

It's a flop.

If we make up our own numbers then any movie can be claimed a flop. We can only judge a movie by it's official numbers and it's 200 million for BA. and if 400m isn't enough then all but a handful of movies flopped in 2022.

Read that most marketing is a studio annual expense, not a per-movie expense. The promotion the crew dose is likely already part of their job. And WB hardly payed for mass marketing so the cost on that is likely minimal.
 

FunkMiller

Member
If we make up our own numbers then any movie can be claimed a flop. We can only judge a movie by it's official numbers and it's 200 million for BA. and if 400m isn't enough then all but a handful of movies flopped in 2022.

Read that most marketing is a studio annual expense, not a per-movie expense. The promotion the crew dose is likely already part of their job. And WB hardly payed for mass marketing so the cost on that is likely minimal.

Or, you could just say that you maybe don’t know all that much about how the box office operates. That’s fine, it’s unnecessarily complex sometimes.

Anything under 500 million total b.o is a failure for this film. That’s what happens when you spent north of 250 million on it.

Suggest you visit forums like Box Office Theory to learn more.
 
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Amiga

Member
Or, you could just say that you maybe don’t know all that much about how the box office operates. That’s fine, it’s unnecessarily complex sometimes.

Anything under 500 million total b.o is a failure for this film. That’s what happens when you spent north of 250 million on it.

Suggest you visit forums like Box Office Theory to learn more.

Sony labeled the Uncharted movie a franchise on a 400m gross from a 120m budget. BA is set to perform better. It may not be a smash, but it's no flop.

Even if on your assumptions, at worst the box office will level up the cost. and WB should make 100% of money from post cinema revenue. They also got increased value of the DCU with the good fan reception for Dr.Fate and Hawkman. Most fans came out wanting a JSA movie.
 

FunkMiller

Member
Sony labeled the Uncharted movie a franchise on a 400m gross from a 120m budget. BA is set to perform better. It may not be a smash, but it's no flop.

Even if on your assumptions, at worst the box office will level up the cost. and WB should make 100% of money from post cinema revenue. They also got increased value of the DCU with the good fan reception for Dr.Fate and Hawkman. Most fans came out wanting a JSA movie.

Uncharted cost half what Black Adam did, including marketing. 400 million was a small return on that investment.

Black Adam’s problem is how expensive it was to make. The higher the production and marketing budget, the more massive the box office take had to be.

Seriously, stop arguing something you don’t really understand, and go look into how the box office functions.

Here’s a good write up to get you started:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhu...rwhelming-500-million-finish/?sh=42fed77370ec

Although even it is now being too optimistic, given the projections.
 
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Amiga

Member
Uncharted cost half what Black Adam did,

difference was 80 million. BA is set to make more than Uncharted and therefore reach the same qualifier.

Even in the link you posted admitted it would be profitable .."I’m sure Black Adam will wind up profitable once home entertainment sales and rentals are calculated and the studio rakes in additional revenue for streaming, cable, and broadcast television, not to mention other merchandising for the film".

BA is no flop and no hit. Issue is marketing didn't make it the success it could have been based on the audience reception. But that good reception will help the new characters build a fanbase through post cinema distribution and streaming.
 

Alcibiades

Member
I know I'm crazy I went and saw this movie a total of 6 times already. It's not THAT good but it's a lot of fun and the action scenes are really good. One of my favorites is near the beginning when Black Adam has barely awoken and you see him using his powers to annihlate a bunch of soldiers. There is this one moment where you see him in the background kicking ass its a cool visual that sets the tone for how OP he is going to be against regular humans for the rest of the movie.

1st watch - Dolby Cinema
2nd watch - IMAX @ Regal (bad dialogue channel :/)
3rd watch - 4DX
4th watch - IMAX @ AMC (great audio)
5th watch - Dolby Cinema (in between watching Armageddon Time and Banshees of Inisherin)
6th watch - DBox

Had an edible for a couple of those watches.

One watch was with a friend, the another with family (neither of those while high though lol).
 
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Thirty7ven

Banned
I know I'm crazy I went and saw this movie a total of 6 times already. It's not THAT good but it's a lot of fun and the action scenes are really good. One of my favorites is near the beginning when Black Adam has barely awoken and you see him using his powers to annihlate a bunch of soldiers. There is this one moment where you see him in the background kicking ass its a cool visual that sets the tone for how OP he is going to be against regular humans for the rest of the movie.

1st watch - Dolby Cinema
2nd watch - IMAX @ Regal (bad dialogue channel :/)
3rd watch - 4DX
4th watch - IMAX @ AMC (great audio)
5th watch - Dolby Cinema (in between watching Armageddon Time and Banshees of Inisherin)
6th watch - DBox

Had an edible for a couple of those watches.

One watch was with a friend, the another with family (neither of those while high though lol).

 

Amiga

Member
I know I'm crazy I went and saw this movie a total of 6 times already. It's not THAT good but it's a lot of fun and the action scenes are really good. One of my favorites is near the beginning when Black Adam has barely awoken and you see him using his powers to annihlate a bunch of soldiers. There is this one moment where you see him in the background kicking ass its a cool visual that sets the tone for how OP he is going to be against regular humans for the rest of the movie.

1st watch - Dolby Cinema
2nd watch - IMAX @ Regal (bad dialogue channel :/)
3rd watch - 4DX
4th watch - IMAX @ AMC (great audio)
5th watch - Dolby Cinema (in between watching Armageddon Time and Banshees of Inisherin)
6th watch - DBox

Had an edible for a couple of those watches.

One watch was with a friend, the another with family (neither of those while high though lol).

It's a very rewatchable movie, but wouldn't go for 6 in such a short time lol.

My favorite touch is how he walks through walls like its air.
 

Alcibiades

Member
It's a very rewatchable movie, but wouldn't go for 6 in such a short time lol.

My favorite touch is how he walks through walls like its air.
Well I have AMC subscription thing where I get to watch 3 movies a week (no IMAX/Dolby upcharge). I also have the Regal that is unlimited (upcharges for premium).

I love experiencing movies like these in all these cool formats. Also, sometimes it's down to not finding another movie with the right timing. I've already seen Smile, Prey for the Devil, Bros (3 times), One Piece Film: Red, Banshees of Inisherin, Armageddon Time, etc... Theaters are like my Netflix sometimes the selection is slim and all that matters is having a good time while on that high.
 

kurisu_1974

Member
Super speed is a game breaking power. Flash shouldn't have trouble with majority of his villains but it has to be contradictory to make stories work. Adam likely avoided spamming lightning because it has a wide area of effect (and maybe it has a cooldown)
Hawkman has enhanced strength closer to Aquaman and Wonder Woman level. Further amplified by the suit and metal. Fate sees many futures but isn't sure what one will happen,
he was relived at the end when he couldn't see any more possibilities.

lol imagine actually trying to rationalize this absolutely shit tier trash
 

FunkMiller

Member
difference was 80 million. BA is set to make more than Uncharted and therefore reach the same qualifier.

Even in the link you posted admitted it would be profitable .."I’m sure Black Adam will wind up profitable once home entertainment sales and rentals are calculated and the studio rakes in additional revenue for streaming, cable, and broadcast television, not to mention other merchandising for the film".

BA is no flop and no hit. Issue is marketing didn't make it the success it could have been based on the audience reception. But that good reception will help the new characters build a fanbase through post cinema distribution and streaming.

Good grief. If a 200 million dollar tentpole movie has to rely on home sales and streaming to even crawl across the break even line, then it is, in no uncertain terms, a cinematic theatrical flop.

And Black Adam is not projected to make more than Uncharted. They are set for about the same tally, give or take a few million.

Hell, things are looking even worse now. Lucas Shaw has estimated it needs to make 600 million to break even, in a write up that details how its failing financially: https://www.businessinsider.com/bla...at-box-office-without-china-2022-11?r=US&IR=T

Why are you so desperate for this to be seen as a success, when it clearly isn't?
 
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Amiga

Member
Good grief. If a 200 million dollar tentpole movie has to rely on home sales and streaming to even crawl across the break even line, then it is, in no uncertain terms, a cinematic theatrical flop.

....
Why are you so desperate for this to be seen as a success, when it clearly isn't?

There is life between a success and a flop. Financially the film gets a passing grade. On viewership BA is set to get a top 10 spot for 2022 and that is a success. WB should cover their investment and see the potential for the characters and build on what people liked about the film. And WB should see the issues are with how they marketed the movie.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
Why are you so desperate for this to be seen as a success, when it clearly isn't?
It's a good movie and I liked it. Why WOULDN'T I want it to be seen as a success?

With Hollywood accounting there is no easy metric for financial success. Who knows how many distribution deals, product endorsements, or tax rebates they got to eat into the costs but for tax purposes they want a "loss".

All that really matters is whether or not they greenlighr a sequel and what budget they give it. Another 200 mill with the same creative team strongly suggests "success", if they switch up the team or drop BA as a leading character then, well, the disappointment is obvious.
 

FunkMiller

Member
All that really matters is whether or not they greenlighr a sequel and what budget they give it. Another 200 mill with the same creative team strongly suggests "success", if they switch up the team or drop BA as a leading character then, well, the disappointment is obvious.

Well, if it comes out of its theatrical run having lost a considerable amount of money - which is the most likely outcome now, I doubt there will be a huge clamour for more Black Adam. Which I'll be pleased about, as the style of the DCEU has been pretty much awful from day one, and the more they move away from it the better. Black Adam's failure should certainly persuade them a soft reboot is in order for Superman with Cavill, which I'd be delighted about. We don't need any more Snyder or Snyder-lite movies.
 

Amiga

Member
Well, if it comes out of its theatrical run having lost a considerable amount of money - which is the most likely outcome now, I doubt there will be a huge clamour for more Black Adam. Which I'll be pleased about, as the style of the DCEU has been pretty much awful from day one, and the more they move away from it the better. Black Adam's failure should certainly persuade them a soft reboot is in order for Superman with Cavill, which I'd be delighted about. We don't need any more Snyder or Snyder-lite movies.

The movie was a big lore expansion for the DCU. Probably the first time WB replicated the MCU style universal narrative with each movie representing an episode. "Black Adam" is just the film title.
- We got a great introduction to the JSA that will open the door to present more of their characters and stories.
- We also got an expansion of the role of magic in the DCU with the role of the Lords of Order.
- And more about extraterrestrials like Thanagar.
- It also established that super heroes existed more openly for decades already as Atom Smasher is a successor.
- An explicit connection was made with the Suicide Squad movies through Amanda Waller.

And they don't need to nuke the whole universe to reset the tone. Marvel movies have big tone shifts between them.
 

Hugare

Member
Saw it yesterday, and I'm honestly shocked by the positive reactions here

The movie was probably the most mundane, mediocre, made by comitee superhero movie that I've seen in quite a while

The crew of nobodies that tried to jail him are totally forgettable. I cringed hard when they tried to make you care for the hero's sacrifice at the third act.

Sure, bye dude that I've seen for 20 minutes with no backstory.

Little kid with his skate dribbling mercenaries was Leia in Obiwan series levels of cringe.

CG was horrible during the whole movie, especially on the vilain during the final act.

That scene with the kid leading the crowd to kick some skelletons ass ... I just laughed

I love Man of Steel, I enjoyed the heck out of BvS, Justice League and etc. I usually love DC stuff that people find terrible.

But this was too much for me. I may have enjoyed it even less than Suicide Squad.
 
Saw the movie too, it was ok but A LOT of cringe moments.

+ The brutal kills, best part of the movie.
+ Henry cavil
+ Some humor landed pretty good for me

- The kid was complete shit
- skateboarding for no reason, even super slow and they couldn't catch up to him
- The hand raising in the end was the most cringe in the whole movie
- The "army from hell" lol. Even the fatso could beat them up
- The superpower girl that just did some twists and spins with colors to beat people up, terrible supe.
- Bad guy willing to pretty much destroy the world, but not shoot the kid and fatso on sight when he has the crown.
- Please retire amanda waller.
- Adam smasher was a complete loser, hoped he would be cooler.

6/10
 

SJRB

Gold Member
I went into this movie with the biggest "meh" ever but damn if I didn't have a good time.

First 10 minutes or so are pretty bad. Massive info dump, stupid kid with skateboards, unnecessary slow-mo on pop music.

I enjoyed the Justice Society way, WAY more than I thought. Slo-mo girl was okay, comedic relief from Atom Smasher, Hawkman was actually pretty cool and Dr. Fate was dope. Man, Pierce Brosnan is so good. He brings a remarkable sense of gravitas, quality and charm to a pretty schlocky movie, even if half the time he looks like he's wondering how the hell he got there. Amazing balance, all things considered. Pierce Brosnan as Dr. Fate is an amazing casting choice.

Movie is pretty funny too, surprisingly. And it's just so refreshing having a protagonist going around killing people left and right because he's god-tier [literally] and the bad guys are fucking assholes.

The Rock is okay. He's The Rock and always The Rock no matter which movie he plays. I'm just glad the dude apparently has so much pull that he got Henry Cavill back which is a HUUUUUUGE deal for me.

Soundtrack is absolutely terrible though, generic garbage. Which sucks because Lorne Balfe is a pretty amazing composer. His work on Ghost in the Shell for example is incredible. Anyway, everything with the kid sucks. And a lot of weird slow-mo scenes.

6.5/10. Could've been an 8 if it wasn't for the dumb kid bullshit. The hand raising as if they're giving Goku energy for the Spirit Bomb was dumb as fuck. But the post-credits scene is dope.
 

ReBurn

Gold Member
Saw the movie too, it was ok but A LOT of cringe moments.

+ The brutal kills, best part of the movie.
+ Henry cavil
+ Some humor landed pretty good for me

- The kid was complete shit
- skateboarding for no reason, even super slow and they couldn't catch up to him
- The hand raising in the end was the most cringe in the whole movie
- The "army from hell" lol. Even the fatso could beat them up
- The superpower girl that just did some twists and spins with colors to beat people up, terrible supe.
- Bad guy willing to pretty much destroy the world, but not shoot the kid and fatso on sight when he has the crown.
- Please retire amanda waller.
- Adam smasher was a complete loser, hoped he would be cooler.

6/10
All fair.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
I'm still shocked that there was never a "So can you just make part of you grow big?" line from Cyclone to Atom Smasher. Seemed like the level of potty humor they were going for :p
 
The worst film of its genre that I have watched since Green Lantern: Boring, ugly, badly written...and the Rock...God help me! Left the theatre the moment the last fight began...🤢🤢🤢
 

OmegaSupreme

advanced basic bitch
This thread popping up again reminded me to check on how the box office actually turned out…

Floppy McFlopperson.

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Good. The more these things start to flop maybe they'll step their game up. Dwanye will be unscathed unfortunately. He'll be in three big movies next year, I'm sure.
 
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