Black Lives Matter protestors close London City Airport runway

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CyclopsRock said:
Well this thread's taking a weird turn, so let me tell you about the cool way the flights to NY work from City airport.

The runway is, due to its geographical location, very short, and they need to gain altitude very quickly due to the tall buildings surrounding it. There aren't many planes that are able to do this which are also Trans-Atlantic, and even those which are can only do it with low levels of fuel (because, full of fuel, it can't gain altitude quick enough). So what they do it take off with hardly any fuel, land in Dublin and refuel. BUT because Ireland has some batty agreement with the US (a bit like Canada does, and the UK does with France around the Chunnel), they can actually do all the visa and immigration stuff there in Dublin whilst the plane's being refueled. Because of this, the plane can then land in a domestic terminal at JFK and the passengers depart the plane largely unmolested. This way, whilst they do have to stop, the actual time between getting on the aeroplane and getting out of the terminal in NY is about the same. Magic, huh? Also, because City airport is so tiny, you actually spend less time in the airport and it's centrally located. Basically, it's cool as shit.
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I didn't even know City did trans-alantic flights to be honest.
 
I sort of half-defended and half-disagreed with the last BLMUK thing but this does seem quite silly. I get their message but the application of it seems quite peculiar that and their twitter is just sort of rambly. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong but the original BLM is about oppression within one's society, right? It's interesting that they've taken up climate refugees and simultaneously folding every non-white race into their definition of 'black' to make it easier to rally for specific people or groups.

Though, maybe they're in need to focusing their message somewhat. Also, when pretending as though society doesn't care about climate change and refugees you sort of need to willingly ignore hundreds of charities which operate around (and from) our country. I know that the refugee thing has been a shit-storm where it took the papers a picture of a dead child to remember that these were humans and not a horde but then Paris happened and suddenly they're scary again.
 
Whilst at London City Airport a small elite is able to fly, in 2016 alone 3,176 migrants are known to have died or gone missing in the Mediterranean. Black people are the first to die, not the first to fly, in this racist climate crisis.

As the largest per capita contributor to global temperature change, and yet among the least vulnerable to its deadly effects, the UK leads in ensuring that our climate crisis is a racist crisis.
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I'm having trouble making sense of this statement.
 
Black lives matter is the most incompetent movement I've ever seen. I've gone from sympathy to their cause at the start to just bored of their antics. They have made no positive impression since their beginning and have turned a valid concern into a joke.
 
DrunkShogun said:
Black lives matter is the most incompetent movement I've ever seen. I've gone from sympathy to their cause at the start to just bored of their antics. They have made no positive impression since their beginning and have turned a valid concern into a joke.
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The fact that you heard of them at all, while I personally know many other groups unknown to the mainstream which have worked to bing up issues of violence, is testament to the fact that they are not an incompetent movement at all.

Getting young,mostly Women, out in the streets to tug on the heartstrings of the people is actually a very effective tactic. They have also even got shoutouts at the Democratic National convention. Far from incompetent.
 
DrunkShogun said:
Black lives matter is the most incompetent movement I've ever seen. I've gone from sympathy to their cause at the start to just bored of their antics. They have made no positive impression since their beginning and have turned a valid concern into a joke.
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I think BLM(USA) is still valid, unless something's changed that I haven't heard about.

BLM(UK) however just seems to be using the BLM name to campaign for plucked out of a hat issues so you have a message complaining about the 1%, the immigrant crises and climate change all in one statement.
 
BGBW said:
I think BLM(USA) is still valid, unless something's changed that I haven't heard about.

BLM(UK) however just seems to be using the BLM name to campaign for plucked out of a hat issues so you have a message complaining about the 1%, the immigrant crises and climate change all in one statement.
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That’s what it seems like.

Kinda sucks for BLM US as well because people here in the UK are just dragging the name through the mud.
 
CyclopsRock said:
Well this thread's taking a weird turn, so let me tell you about the cool way the flights to NY work from City airport.

The runway is, due to its geographical location, very short, and they need to gain altitude very quickly due to the tall buildings surrounding it. There aren't many planes that are able to do this which are also Trans-Atlantic, and even those which are can only do it with low levels of fuel (because, full of fuel, it can't gain altitude quick enough). So what they do it take off with hardly any fuel, land in Dublin and refuel. BUT because Ireland has some batty agreement with the US (a bit like Canada does, and the UK does with France around the Chunnel), they can actually do all the visa and immigration stuff there in Dublin whilst the plane's being refueled. Because of this, the plane can then land in a domestic terminal at JFK and the passengers depart the plane largely unmolested. This way, whilst they do have to stop, the actual time between getting on the aeroplane and getting out of the terminal in NY is about the same. Magic, huh? Also, because City airport is so tiny, you actually spend less time in the airport and it's centrally located. Basically, it's cool as shit.
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It is, except planes taking off from there are noisy as hell from my flat in Bow :(

These looks like the same middle class white protesters that would go to pretty much any protest going. Probably well wishing but making a total mockery of the original point of BLM.
 
SMH really people? really?

BLM in the UK seems to be an appropriation of a name to use as an umbrella for all the wacky anarchist groups at the moment.

I don't really need to go over the origin of BLM again and compare it to the vastly different situation in the UK, but what I will say is that stupid nuisance protests that disadvantage the general public in the name of black lives, perpetuated by white middle class people only serves to damage the movement by opening it up to ridicule, a lack of public support and any old right wing agenda to point out how its being hijacked by others and thus should be ignored.

I mean Christ, Climate change is a racist issue now? seriously? if it is don't attack a soft easy target, go blockade the Chinese embassy or the US embassy given their climate records.
 
BGBW said:
Trigger happy cops melted the ice bergs!
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The main point of it all right here.

BLM is a great movement in America and very much needed. We dont have anything as bad as that here but a BLM would make sense to try and shine light on poorer neighborhoods in the UK where minorities are usually forgotten about.

What this group are basically doing is Greenpeace with Racism angle. If they had said they were Greenpeace I would have had more sympathy with what they are trying to do but what they are doing is make a laughing stock of a very good movement
 
BGBW said:
I think BLM(USA) is still valid, unless something's changed that I haven't heard about.

BLM(UK) however just seems to be using the BLM name to campaign for plucked out of a hat issues so you have a message complaining about the 1%, the immigrant crises and climate change all in one statement.
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This is how I feel. BLM in the US has a 100% valid and worthy cause while in the UK it seems like they are just grasping at issues to align with because we don't have near the same issue with police and violence against black people as the US.

I think the last time this was brought up there were three deaths by police in the last year or something and only one of them was black? (I can't remember exactly but I remember it being brought up by the thread or comments somewhere). Like, yeah, we aren't post-racism in the UK (hell, look at all the shit post Brexit) but I think we definitely don't have the same issue of violence against black people from our police as there is in America when you can be killed while doing pretty much anything while black.
 
This just makes it harder for legitimate protests about racial divides in society to be taken seriously...

From what has come out about this so far, this sounds fishy.

Also, by all means be disruptive but don't go onto a fucking Airport runway.
 
The situation with racism towards black people in th UK is very similar to the US. Black people are still viewed as criminals by the authorities in the UK. And although it is unlikely that anybody is going to get shot by a police officer, if somebody is, it is likely to be a black person. Stop and search statistics are also ridiculously high in the black community in the UK. Poverty is also an issue.

I don't know why this has been denied itt.
 
Moze said:
The situation with racism towards black people in th UK is very similar to the US. Black people are still viewed as criminals by the authorities in the UK. And although it is unlikely that anybody is going to get shot by a police officer, if somebody is, it is likely to be a black person. Stop and search statistics are also ridiculously high in the black community in the UK. Poverty is also an issue.

I don't know why this has been denied itt.
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Poverty isn't always necessarily a "racism" issue. Often it is largely educational and because some communities become too insular and are resistant to allowing outside influences and/or outside help.

Also you are exaggerating a little bit just stating "black people are still viewed as criminals by the authorities in the UK". Largely we have a police force to be fairly proud of, especially given most UK cops are trained well in patience and trying to keep peace via little force.

Although our government treating poor people like scum and all benefit fraudsters certainly doesn't help.
 
I'm finding it hard to follow the connection between racism climate change, the link is a bit too tenuous at first glance certainly =/

And the UK is bad on environmental performance and all but I'm shocked to hear it's the highest emitter per capita? I just find that one hard to believe tbh.

I actually study environmental management at university right now and I really just can't fathom this part at all =/

EDIT: actually I know of taught modules on my course on climate change and gender equality, so racism and climate change may well be a thing too? The link is certainly still tenuous and not communicated well from their argument though
 
AHA-Lambda said:
I'm finding it hard to follow the racism argument with climate change =/

And the UK is bad on environmental performance and all but I'm shocked to hear it's the highest emitter per capita?
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It's not. Unless you talk about since the Industrial Revolution or something like that which is kidna...ridiculous. I think we're either 20 or top 20. Not the sort of Top 20 you want to be in.
 
CyclopsRock said:
Well this thread's taking a weird turn, so let me tell you about the cool way the flights to NY work from City airport.

The runway is, due to its geographical location, very short, and they need to gain altitude very quickly due to the tall buildings surrounding it. There aren't many planes that are able to do this which are also Trans-Atlantic, and even those which are can only do it with low levels of fuel (because, full of fuel, it can't gain altitude quick enough). So what they do it take off with hardly any fuel, land in Dublin and refuel. BUT because Ireland has some batty agreement with the US (a bit like Canada does, and the UK does with France around the Chunnel), they can actually do all the visa and immigration stuff there in Dublin whilst the plane's being refueled. Because of this, the plane can then land in a domestic terminal at JFK and the passengers depart the plane largely unmolested. This way, whilst they do have to stop, the actual time between getting on the aeroplane and getting out of the terminal in NY is about the same. Magic, huh? Also, because City airport is so tiny, you actually spend less time in the airport and it's centrally located. Basically, it's cool as shit.
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Maaaaan, now you are just getting me annoyed that it's wildly impractical to fly out the country from anywhere other than Heathrow!
 
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Audioboxer said:
BLM largely started around police brutality and the cops murdering unarmed, or otherwise not threatening enough (as in situation could be diffused/person taken down non-lethally) black people. We do not have that in the UK. Primarily because we don't arm every citizen and have guns on sale in Asda/Tesco, and therefore our cops aren't all armed and gun loving mad"men". We don't have a gun culture, we don't have the NRA and we don't have politicians lining their pockets with gun money and therefore being assholes about ANY sort of reform. Even when a ton of kids get shot up, or a massacre in a nightclub with a powerful semi-automatic rifle, or as BLM protest, constant killings of unarmed or non-dangerous black people.

Parts of Brexit are another kettle of fish, and while racial issues, they are largely aimed at "the brown man", or to put it more politely, Asians/Middle Easterners. It's disgusting but it's not 1:1 with the issues America has. Hence why you can't just copy BLM American activism and slap it into the UK without any thought. You get shit like this when you do. Embarrassing shit that drags the name through the mud and causes public resentment.

Americans just have to trust us Brits it is NOT the same here as it is in America.
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This is my view as well. Here are your arguments with sources:

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http://www.inquest.org.uk/statistics/fatal-police-shootings
 
AHA-Lambda said:
I'm finding it hard to follow the connection between racism climate change, the link is a bit too tenuous at first glance certainly =/

And the UK is bad on environmental performance and all but I'm shocked to hear it's the highest emitter per capita? I just find that one hard to believe tbh.

I actually study environmental management at university right now and I really just can't fathom this part at all =/

EDIT: actually I know of taught modules on my course on climate change and gender equality, so racism and climate change may well be a thing too? The link is certainly still tenuous from their argument
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Scotland is actually pretty damn good on climate change/renewable energy.

We've been struggling a bit with our greenhouse gas emissions targets, but they are dropping. Just not at the rate the government wants.

Trump can get fucked though when he tries to stop our offshore windmills.

Bleepey said:
This is my view as well. Here are your arguments with sources:

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http://www.inquest.org.uk/statistics/fatal-police-shootings
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Thanks I probably should have provided figures, but police shootings in the UK just come across as common sense because we NEVER hear about them.
 
Audioboxer said:
Scotland is actually pretty damn good on climate change/renewable energy.

We've been struggling a bit with our greenhouse gas emissions targets, but they are dropping. Just not at the rate the government wants.

Trump can get fucked though when he tries to stop our offshore windmills.
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Oh yeah, we're doing really quite well on this stuff :)

It was only a couple of weeks ago our whole electricity demand was powered solely by wind power! :D

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...completely-powered-by-wind-turbines-for-a-day

Sir_Crocodile said:
Looks like that's talking about total emissions from the dawn of industrialisation. In which case it's not surprising UK is number one.
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ok, this makes more sense, but still hardly a fair and representative argument for them to take then.
 
Moze said:
The situation with racism towards black people in th UK is very similar to the US. Black people are still viewed as criminals by the authorities in the UK. And although it is unlikely that anybody is going to get shot by a police officer, if somebody is, it is likely to be a black person. Stop and search statistics are also ridiculously high in the black community in the UK. Poverty is also an issue.

I don't know why this has been denied itt.
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It's similar?

Police watchdog IPCC 'favours black complainants' - Even just this story is the polar opposite of the US. Black citizens that complain are more likely to be believed. Does this happen in the US?

Also, let's check this:
Police in Britain fired their guns just seven times in the last year - When the main thrust of BLM is black citizens being executed and police getting away with it.

On the other hand:
BAME groups are more at risk of being victims of crime.
Homicide rates higher against black citizens (Asian and White are lower). Oh, just in case you're American, in the UK 'Asian' usually means what you would described as 'Middle Eastern' or 'Indian'. (every race is more likely to be victimised by their own race - not that it particularly matters).
Police searches: Black - 4.5x higher, Asian - 1.5x higher, Mixed - 2x higher (than whites).
'No clear trend was seen in the issuing of penalty notices for disorder to BAME versus White individuals, but the Black ethnic group received cautions at three times the rate of other groups.'
Sentencing for black citizens is 3x higher than relative to their population.

Also, nobody is denying this really, we're discussing the latest BLM activity by-and-large and it has nothing to do with black people in the UK but if I was to talk about it, I would say there are some similarities but many of us would object to the comparison of a country that systematically executes their citizens in the streets and the police have no independent commission like we do.
 
Just like the last protest they make up the numbers to fit the agenda.

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The whole thing stinks of Novara Media again.
 
CyclopsRock said:
Jesus Christ, these guys. City airport isn't even that much more expensive, it just exists to service... Duh duh duuuhhh, the City, so most of its destinations are other financial hubs (Paris, Amsterdam, Zurich, Geneva, NY etc - actually there's a cool thing about their flights to NY but it's a bit off topic) and are business users. So yeah, their salaries probably are higher, but they aren't paying for them anyway.
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You can't just say there's a cool thing then not say what it is!
 
can you copyright a social movement? worth a thought.

this is as much to do with black people as the ice bucket challenge was to do with....uh

does anybody remember what the ice bucket challenge was actually for?
 
bodyboarder said:
You can't just say there's a cool thing then not say what it is!
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CyclopsRock said:
Well this thread's taking a weird turn, so let me tell you about the cool way the flights to NY work from City airport.

The runway is, due to its geographical location, very short, and they need to gain altitude very quickly due to the tall buildings surrounding it. There aren't many planes that are able to do this which are also Trans-Atlantic, and even those which are can only do it with low levels of fuel (because, full of fuel, it can't gain altitude quick enough). So what they do it take off with hardly any fuel, land in Dublin and refuel. BUT because Ireland has some batty agreement with the US (a bit like Canada does, and the UK does with France around the Chunnel), they can actually do all the visa and immigration stuff there in Dublin whilst the plane's being refueled. Because of this, the plane can then land in a domestic terminal at JFK and the passengers depart the plane largely unmolested. This way, whilst they do have to stop, the actual time between getting on the aeroplane and getting out of the terminal in NY is about the same. Magic, huh? Also, because City airport is so tiny, you actually spend less time in the airport and it's centrally located. Basically, it's cool as shit.
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If you watch the video, it's clear they're making a global argument -- predominately black countries aren't the ones contributing to climate change but because they're more vulnerable, they'll be the first to suffer the consequences while rich countries like the UK can shield themselves better. They aren't really talking about how black people are treated by police in the UK, so I'm not sure why that's what people here are debating.

Edit: all the "lol the climate is racist" jokes also show a complete lack of comprehension. Anti-BLM people sure do jump at the opportunity to make fun, don't they.
 
JP_ said:
If you watch the video, it's clear they're making a global argument -- predominately black countries aren't the ones contributing to climate change but because they're more vulnerable, they'll be the first to suffer the consequences while rich countries like the UK can shield themselves better. They aren't really talking about how black people are treated in the UK, so I'm not sure why that's what people here are debating.
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They go on about the airport expansion in London and how it will effect black lives and how how it should be stopped. So it very much is about how they feel the UK treat black people.
 
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