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Black Lives Matter shuts down a Bernie Sanders rally

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pigeon

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LOL so you're on record accusing the Washington Times of fabrication? Care to prove it?

Here we go again.

You're the one who made the claim that BLM is funded by Soros.

You were asked to provide sources. Notably, you didn't. You still haven't. Other posters stepped up and provided sources since you failed to do so.

I went ahead and did the basic homework of going to the pages linked and seeing what they're referencing.

The first Washington Times page links to this site: http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/257130/ferguson-rent-mobs-exposed-matthew-vadum

Does this look like a reputable story to you? (Before you answer, here's another story by the same author: http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/259477/bernie-sanders-communist-and-ignoramus-matthew-vadum)

That page links right back to the Washington Times: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...nds-ferguson-protests-hopes-to-spur/?page=all

This is an article about how George Soros funds liberal activist groups, probably because he is a liberal, and liberal activist groups got involved in Ferguson, probably because they're liberal activists. It then makes the claim that:

[L]iberal billionaire George Soros...has built a business empire that dominates across the ocean in Europe while forging a political machine powered by nonprofit foundations that impacts American politics and policy, not unlike what he did with MoveOn.org.

Mr. Soros spurred the Ferguson protest movement through years of funding and mobilizing groups across the U.S., according to interviews with key players and financial records reviewed by The Washington Times.

So yeah, absolutely, it's a bullshit story spread by the conservative echo machine, who loves nothing more than to set up George Soros as a boogeyman threatening American values. The fact that you didn't even notice that despite apparently knowing the story is a great example of the lack of critical thinking that I keep having to point out in response to your posts.
 
Why don't they you know...target some Republican rallies? You know, the people that really need to realize that, hey black lives DO matter.

Granted I wouldn't blame them if they were fearful if they did since...well..........you know.

Probably because they wouldn't listen.

Hope Bernie puts together a great response and plan for them now that they keep showing up at his rallies.
 

BeerSnob

Member
If three people is all it takes to shut down his rally then Bernie needs to start paying for some security. Like if this was a Hilary rally they wouldn't even gotten to the stage.

Well if publicintegrity.org is to be taken at face value, Bernie has 300K in the bank (Which is "poor" in Washington) and Hilary gets that much from one speech. So she can hire big scary people with sticks.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/04/30/17261/12-things-know-about-bernie-sanders
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/04/12/17107/12-things-know-about-hillary-clinton

Is this the type of dialogue you cosign?
https://twitter.com/SooperMexican/status/630152729751633920

Code Pink levels of stupidity.

Oh...wow. We need to sneak them onto to stage with Trump, I need to see that happen.
 

akira28

Member
You don't have to own a movement to have influence.

You sound like all those people who try to shrug off Hillary's Wall Street donors whenever that subject comes up.

Well if you look at everything with a 40,000 foot view, sure, that makes sense. But keep in mind that as soon as Ferguson started looking like it was going to take off, non-profit groups from out of town came in to "organize" the protests and collect the money that went with all that attention. That's where the Soros dollars went to. So if you're suggesting that he bought and paid for the Hashtag like a wealthy investor can lobby a vote from a sitting politician, you're the one who sounds like all those people who try to make grand field observations based on scant information that goes in line with something you already believe.
 

Sheroking

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And the candidate getting millions from the industrial prison lobby has that demographic in her pocket with a couple of KK selfies. The black vote going to Hillary is the equivalent of poor white people voting republican. Both are voting against their self interest.

The "equivalent" lol.

Hillary may not be their best democratic bet, but she sure as hell will be better for them than any Republican candidate. The same is absolutely not true for poor people voting Republican.
 

Kusagari

Member
The hilarious thing to me is that if you read the entire article the woman who hijacks the event praises O'Malley for his criminal justice plan which has zero chance of ever happening.

It's nice to know that the movement can somehow forget the fact that O'Malley's policing in Baltimore led to widespread discrimination against blacks because he promised some pie in the sky dream.
 

antonz

Member
If three people is all it takes to shut down his rally then Bernie needs to start paying for some security. Like if this was a Hilary rally they wouldn't even gotten to the stage.

Hillary has all sorts of advantages on the security front being a former First lady and all that.
 

msv

Member
What exactly would protesting at, say, a Ted Cruz event accomplish? They're certainly never going to gain any kind of traction protesting at conservative events.

Someone above pointed out that Hillary's getting plenty of heat when it comes to actual conversation, her events are just harder to distrupt
What? It would provide exposure to a lot of people who have viewpoints that you're protesting against. As many people as possible need to know about the (properly construed) viewpoint, so you want to get people who don't know it yet or disagree with it.

Protesting against someone that agrees with you is literally protesting against your own viewpoint.
 

FiggyCal

Banned
"Bernie, you were confronted at NetRoots at by black women," Johnson said before adding, "you have yet to put out a criminal justice reform package like O’Malley did."

I guess I can see where they're coming from; but Bernie and O'Malley are not the enemies. They're not even viable candidates really.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
LOL so you're on record accusing the Washington Times of fabrication? Care to prove it?

The Washington Times is literally one of the worst newspapers in the country, it manages to be worse than the NYPost which is utterly amazing.
 

dramatis

Member
In this case, I think BlackLivesMatter got too obnoxious. At Netroots, Bernie leaving early rather than engaging was his fault, but he and his campaign started addressing the issues more after that event. I think it might have worked out better if Bernie didn't leave the stage and instead engaged the BLM protesters on the stage itself, rather than just going down to the crowd to mingle with his supporters.

BLM definitely did itself no favors by not leaving after the time they set forth.
 

RedShift

Member
This guy is obviously not a member of Black Lives Matter, and unlike some people in this thread you really should know better.

What? I don't think anyone thought the guy on Twitter was from BLM, they were talking about the awful BLM members in the video he posted.
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician

werks

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akira28

Member
so wait, Soleil's confirmed source is the Washington Times?

Fuck me in a sandwich and send me to Jerod.

Bernie just needs to stop the train and say something. Something substantial. If he fails this test, what kind of President would he be?
 

soleil

Banned
Here we go again.

You're the one who made the claim that BLM is funded by Soros.

You were asked to provide sources. Notably, you didn't. You still haven't. Other posters stepped up and provided sources since you failed to do so.

I went ahead and did the basic homework of going to the pages linked and seeing what they're referencing.

The first Washington Times page links to this site: http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/257130/ferguson-rent-mobs-exposed-matthew-vadum

Does this look like a reputable story to you? (Before you answer, here's another story by the same author: http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/259477/bernie-sanders-communist-and-ignoramus-matthew-vadum)

That page links right back to the Washington Times: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...nds-ferguson-protests-hopes-to-spur/?page=all

This is an article about how George Soros funds liberal activist groups, probably because he is a liberal, and liberal activist groups got involved in Ferguson, probably because they're liberal activists. It then makes the claim that:



So yeah, absolutely, it's a bullshit story spread by the conservative echo machine, who loves nothing more than to set up George Soros as a boogeyman threatening American values. The fact that you didn't even notice that despite apparently knowing the story is a great example of the lack of critical thinking that I keep having to point out in response to your posts.
I did provide a source. Try reading the thread.

And your ad-hominem style of argument to discredit the author isn't proof of fabrication. It's actually.... unsubstantiated.

Not to mention that you haven't offered an alternate explanation for BLM not targetting Clinton.
 
To everyone wondering why Sanders keeps getting singled-out by BLM activists, it's because racial issues have always been a blind spot to him. That he would have trouble appealing to such groups was predicted early by political watchers. For example, see this Vox article from last month:

Vox: Why Bernie Sanders doesn't talk about race

...For other progressives — many of them black or Latino — economic inequality is important, but so is racial inequality. They're extremely concerned about racial bias in policing, and about ending mass incarceration. They're concerned about the treatment of unauthorized immigrants, and about protecting voting rights (an issue like campaign finance where progressives are worried the integrity of the political system is at stake — and where the outcome doesn't look good for them).

Bernie Sanders doesn't speak to those concerns. He didn't mention those issues in his campaign launch in May. They're not on the issues page of his website. And his appearance at Netroots Nation in July left many attendees frustrated: Sanders answered questions about racial issues by pivoting back to economic ones.

This isn't an accidental oversight. These simply aren't issues Sanders is passionate about in the way he's passionate about economic injustice. When my colleague Andrew Prokop profiled Sanders last year, he pointed out astutely that Sanders's career has been "laser-focused on checking the power of the wealthy above all else." Sanders believes in racial equality, sure, but he believes it will only come as the result of economic equality. To him, focusing on racial issues first is merely treating the symptom, not the disease.
 

Trey

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This is simply inexcusable. It wouldn't surprise me if they got violent at one point. Sanders definitely needs to hire some security even if only minimal. Unfortunately he isn't full of Corporate or donor money so...

I highly doubt it. No one is gonna put hands on a presidential candidate.

Theae people are fucking ignorant.

More like only interested in having their say.
 

JustenP88

I earned 100 Gamerscore™ for collecting 300 widgets and thereby created Trump's America
I'm pretty sure they won't settle for less than violence against blacks being the centerpiece of his platform and the central issue of his campaign. And you know what? I don't know if I can blame them. I mean, I don't think they're going to get it, but given the issue that's being discussed, namely how often people get away with murdering black men and women in this country, an attitude of "no, literally nothing else matters as much as this" isn't unsympathetic to me

There is no candidate that is doing that. There are few/probably no candidates who speak out on these issues more decisively than Bernie Sanders. I fully understand the anger. I don't see how you justify the target.
 
I have no Idea why Bernie supporters get so upset about this.

I think they're mostly upset because they view Bernie as being a better candidate for black Americans than Hillary, who, due to having better security, likely won't be getting disrupted by the movement to anywhere near the same extent as Bernie has. Thus perhaps making Hillary appear to be more progressive on race issues than Bernie even when she isn't, and giving her yet another notch up on Bernie who she's already obviously quite far ahead of.
 

Buzzati

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Probably because they wouldn't listen.

Hope Bernie puts together a great response and plan for them now that they keep showing up at his rallies.

They don't seem to be too receptive to dialogue. Maybe Bernie should just hire security and then run his event the way he needs to - The election is not far away and he has work to do.
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
I did provide a source. Try reading the thread.

And your ad-hominem style of argument to discredit the author isn't proof of fabrication.

Not to mention that you haven't offered an alternate explanation for BLM not targetting Clinton.

He's an easier target? They were able to get on stage easier? It may not be much more complicated then that, considering satisfaction with either candidate on the issue doesn't exactly seem to be high
 

Sheroking

Member
Holy shit. Its one thing to try and open dialogue with the candidate, its another to just have a shouting match. At this point it does seem to be sabotage against Bernie. Between this and the smaller number of debates for Dems..

Yes, Hillary is hiring black people to shout at Bernie Sanders events to make the 99.99 bar percent chance she will have the nomination a clean 100% chance.

You've seen through the conspiracy.
 

royalan

Member
Probably because they wouldn't listen.

Hope Bernie puts together a great response and plan for them now that they keep showing up at his rallies.

Exactly. This is ALL Bernie has to do.

This is WHY O'Malley isn't constantly getting it. Because even though he fucked up royally at Netroots, he got it right in the follow-through. Did he completely reorganize his campaign to be #BlackLivesMatter-centric? Of course not. But he responded to them, he gave them what they asked for.

Bernie's attitude is only going to guarantee that this keeps happening.
 

cDNA

Member
That reasoning doesn't explain why only Sanders is getting heat and not Hillary.
I think Hillary don't get interrumped because their advisers minimize the opportunity of events like this happening. For example She didn't attend Net roots Nation event when the Last protest happened.
 

Envelope

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What exactly would protesting at, say, a Ted Cruz event accomplish? They're certainly never going to gain any kind of traction protesting at conservative events.

Someone above pointed out that Hillary's getting plenty of heat when it comes to actual conversation, her events are just harder to distrupt

of course, but from the excerpt posted in the thread it sounds like there wasn't any actual meaningful dialogue going on
 

Boke1879

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Are you kidding? If you follow in black political circles, Hillary's getting a LOT of heat.

As for why her stages aren't getting stormed, I don't know. She likely has better security, because there's absolutely no reason the same wouldn't happen to her.

Gotta agree with you. If anyone follows and black political circles. Clinton is getting tons of heat and many don't trust her at all.

Maybe she has better security. She is the wife of a former president. Not to mention her staff probably hand picks her audience.
 
To everyone wondering why Sanders keeps getting singled-out by BLM activists, it's because racial issues have always been a blind spot to him. That he would have trouble appealing to such groups was predicted early by political watchers. For example, see this Vox article from last month:

Vox: Why Bernie Sanders doesn't talk about race

Which is mostly true... economic issues have caused deep racial issues.

Problem is everyone wants their slice of the pie when it comes to a candidate. So Hilary and other candidates can easily pander to minorities and then fuck off when it really comes the time to following through on the pandering.
 

Piecake

Member
Yea, I'm sure that's the reason she is the biggest benefactor of the industrial prison complex. Her past doesn't matter. Who is funding her doesn't matter. Only her words matter, fuck action or money.

Yea, I am sure a few hundred thousand dollars from private prisons will sway her vote and change her publicly stated issue on the matter...
 

akira28

Member
Yes, Hillary is hiring black people to shout at Bernie Sanders events to make the 99.99 bar percent chance she will have the nomination a clean 100% chance.

You've seen through the conspiracy.

Not Hillary...George Soros

lol, this shit is already on the reddits. Not the interruption, the conspiracy that Soros is sending BLM after Sanders.
 
To everyone wondering why Sanders keeps getting singled-out by BLM activists, it's because racial issues have always been a blind spot to him. That he would have trouble appealing to such groups was predicted early by political watchers. For example, see this Vox article from last month:

Vox: Why Bernie Sanders doesn't talk about race

That's not truth. He has said in multiple rallies how he thinks racial issues is a problem by itself, not a by product of economic injustice. Some people just like to pretend he isn't talking about it or he himself has his team has not been effective enough to communicate the message. And that article wasn't a "prediction", it was posted after the NetRoots incident.
 

soleil

Banned
Well if you look at everything with a 40,000 foot view, sure, that makes sense. But keep in mind that as soon as Ferguson started looking like it was going to take off, non-profit groups from out of town came in to "organize" the protests and collect the money that went with all that attention. That's where the Soros dollars went to. So if you're suggesting that he bought and paid for the Hashtag like a wealthy investor can lobby a vote from a sitting politician, you're the one who sounds like all those people who try to make grand field observations based on scant information that goes in line with something you already believe.
The suggestion is that he has influence with the people who are leading / organizing the movement.
 

ezrarh

Member
What exactly would protesting at, say, a Ted Cruz event accomplish? They're certainly never going to gain any kind of traction protesting at conservative events.

Someone above pointed out that Hillary's getting plenty of heat when it comes to actual conversation, her events are just harder to distrupt

What's the point of doing this to Bernie if he's just a sideshow and has no chance at the nomination?
 

pigeon

Banned
I did provide a source. Try reading the thread.

And your ad-hominem style of argument to discredit the author isn't proof of fabrication.

Not to mention that you haven't offered an alternate explanation for BLM not targetting Clinton.

The alternate explanation is that, just like the polls show, people of color generally support Clinton and believe that she'll represent their issues and concerns.
 

FiggyCal

Banned
Which is mostly true... economic issues have caused deep racial issues.

Problem is everyone wants their slice of the pie when it comes to a candidate. So Hilary and other candidates can easily pander to minorities and then fuck off when it really comes the time to following through on the pandering.

Yeah. This is an old school socialist type of mentality; that is to say that racism stems from economic equality. It also makes more sense to go after economic inequality, since people of color are the most affected by it and I'm not sure how exactly we'd go about practically outlawing racism.

That's not truth. He has said in multiple rallies how he thinks racial issues is a problem by itself, not a by product of economic injustice. Some people just like to pretend he isn't talking about it or he himself has his team has not been effective enough to communicate the message. And that article wasn't a "prediction", it was posted after the NetRoots incident.

I think he's only recently said that, though. Not before he got heckled. I may be wrong.
 

NeoXChaos

Member
And the candidate getting millions from the industrial prison lobby has that demographic in her pocket with a couple of KK selfies. The black vote going to Hillary is the equivalent of poor white people voting republican. Both are voting against their self interest.

This is a ridiculous statement. The blind self-righteous hero worship of this man is getting out of hand. Using any and everything to defend the man including highly deceptive stories to desperately show support is sad.
The bitterness toward Secretary Clinton has to stop.
 
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