PhoenixDark
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Is this the type of dialogue you cosign?
https://twitter.com/SooperMexican/status/630152729751633920
Code Pink levels of stupidity.
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Black Lives Matter shuts down a Bernie Sanders rally
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Is this the type of dialogue you cosign?
https://twitter.com/SooperMexican/status/630152729751633920
Code Pink levels of stupidity.
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This is simply inexcusable. It wouldn't surprise me if they got violent at one point. Sanders definitely needs to hire some security even if only minimal. Unfortunately he isn't full of Corporate or donor money so...
Here we go again.
You're the one who made the claim that BLM is funded by Soros.
You were asked to provide sources. Notably, you didn't. You still haven't. Other posters stepped up and provided sources since you failed to do so.
I went ahead and did the basic homework of going to the pages linked and seeing what they're referencing.
The first Washington Times page links to this site: http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/257130/ferguson-rent-mobs-exposed-matthew-vadum
Does this look like a reputable story to you? (Before you answer, here's another story by the same author: http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/259477/bernie-sanders-communist-and-ignoramus-matthew-vadum)
That page links right back to the Washington Times: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...nds-ferguson-protests-hopes-to-spur/?page=all
This is an article about how George Soros funds liberal activist groups, probably because he is a liberal, and liberal activist groups got involved in Ferguson, probably because they're liberal activists. It then makes the claim that:
So yeah, absolutely, it's a bullshit story spread by the conservative echo machine, who loves nothing more than to set up George Soros as a boogeyman threatening American values. The fact that you didn't even notice that despite apparently knowing the story is a great example of the lack of critical thinking that I keep having to point out in response to your posts.
UltimaPooh
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Probably because they wouldn't listen.
Hope Bernie puts together a great response and plan for them now that they keep showing up at his rallies.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/fivepoints/hillary-clinton-race-criminal-justice-reform
But I am sure those are just lies.
I swear, I think some people's here love for Bernie Sanders is just driving some of you into conspiracy territory.
Well if publicintegrity.org is to be taken at face value, Bernie has 300K in the bank (Which is "poor" in Washington) and Hilary gets that much from one speech. So she can hire big scary people with sticks.
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/04/30/17261/12-things-know-about-bernie-sanders
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/04/12/17107/12-things-know-about-hillary-clinton
Oh...wow. We need to sneak them onto to stage with Trump, I need to see that happen.
This guy is obviously not a member of Black Lives Matter, and unlike some people in this thread you really should know better.
Well if you look at everything with a 40,000 foot view, sure, that makes sense. But keep in mind that as soon as Ferguson started looking like it was going to take off, non-profit groups from out of town came in to "organize" the protests and collect the money that went with all that attention. That's where the Soros dollars went to. So if you're suggesting that he bought and paid for the Hashtag like a wealthy investor can lobby a vote from a sitting politician, you're the one who sounds like all those people who try to make grand field observations based on scant information that goes in line with something you already believe.
The "equivalent" lol.
Hillary may not be their best democratic bet, but she sure as hell will be better for them than any Republican candidate. The same is absolutely not true for poor people voting Republican.
The hilarious thing to me is that if you read the entire article the woman who hijacks the event praises O'Malley for his criminal justice plan which has zero chance of ever happening.
It's nice to know that the movement can somehow forget the fact that O'Malley's policing in Baltimore led to widespread discrimination against blacks because he promised some pie in the sky dream.
It's nice to know that the movement can somehow forget the fact that O'Malley's policing in Baltimore led to widespread discrimination against blacks because he promised some pie in the sky dream.
Hillary has all sorts of advantages on the security front being a former First lady and all that.
What? It would provide exposure to a lot of people who have viewpoints that you're protesting against. As many people as possible need to know about the (properly construed) viewpoint, so you want to get people who don't know it yet or disagree with it.
Protesting against someone that agrees with you is literally protesting against your own viewpoint.
The Washington Times is literally one of the worst newspapers in the country, it manages to be worse than the NYPost which is utterly amazing.
BreezyLimbo
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Holy shit. Its one thing to try and open dialogue with the candidate, its another to just have a shouting match. At this point it does seem to be sabotage against Bernie. Between this and the smaller number of debates for Dems..
In this case, I think BlackLivesMatter got too obnoxious. At Netroots, Bernie leaving early rather than engaging was his fault, but he and his campaign started addressing the issues more after that event. I think it might have worked out better if Bernie didn't leave the stage and instead engaged the BLM protesters on the stage itself, rather than just going down to the crowd to mingle with his supporters.
BLM definitely did itself no favors by not leaving after the time they set forth.
BLM definitely did itself no favors by not leaving after the time they set forth.
What? I don't think anyone thought the guy on Twitter was from BLM, they were talking about the awful BLM members in the video he posted.
water_wendi
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Watch the video in the tweet?
The Technomancer
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No, but then I don't particularly think what they're doing is the right thing, I just don't think we can reflexively dismiss it out of hand as being "the wrong thing" given that who knows what its going to take to make some politicians advance actual concrete proposals
Vicetrailia
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It was only 3 people, lol.
I think Bernie should reply with some policy
I think Bernie should reply with some policy
Coffee Dog
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I'm fairly sure he's talking about the attached clip of the Bernie sanders event, not the twitter guy.
PhoenixDark
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I'm referring to the video, not the twitter account. That should be pretty fucking obvious.
Yea, I'm sure that's the reason she is the biggest benefactor of the industrial prison complex. Her past doesn't matter. Who is funding her doesn't matter. Only her words matter, fuck action or money.
I did provide a source. Try reading the thread.
And your ad-hominem style of argument to discredit the author isn't proof of fabrication. It's actually.... unsubstantiated.
Not to mention that you haven't offered an alternate explanation for BLM not targetting Clinton.
kittenbreath
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To everyone wondering why Sanders keeps getting singled-out by BLM activists, it's because racial issues have always been a blind spot to him. That he would have trouble appealing to such groups was predicted early by political watchers. For example, see this Vox article from last month:
Vox: Why Bernie Sanders doesn't talk about race
Vox: Why Bernie Sanders doesn't talk about race
I highly doubt it. No one is gonna put hands on a presidential candidate.
More like only interested in having their say.
There is no candidate that is doing that. There are few/probably no candidates who speak out on these issues more decisively than Bernie Sanders. I fully understand the anger. I don't see how you justify the target.
Good Job Bob
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I think they're mostly upset because they view Bernie as being a better candidate for black Americans than Hillary, who, due to having better security, likely won't be getting disrupted by the movement to anywhere near the same extent as Bernie has. Thus perhaps making Hillary appear to be more progressive on race issues than Bernie even when she isn't, and giving her yet another notch up on Bernie who she's already obviously quite far ahead of.
I like Code Pink though.
They don't seem to be too receptive to dialogue. Maybe Bernie should just hire security and then run his event the way he needs to - The election is not far away and he has work to do.
The Technomancer
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He's an easier target? They were able to get on stage easier? It may not be much more complicated then that, considering satisfaction with either candidate on the issue doesn't exactly seem to be high
Yes, Hillary is hiring black people to shout at Bernie Sanders events to make the 99.99 bar percent chance she will have the nomination a clean 100% chance.
You've seen through the conspiracy.
Exactly. This is ALL Bernie has to do.
This is WHY O'Malley isn't constantly getting it. Because even though he fucked up royally at Netroots, he got it right in the follow-through. Did he completely reorganize his campaign to be #BlackLivesMatter-centric? Of course not. But he responded to them, he gave them what they asked for.
Bernie's attitude is only going to guarantee that this keeps happening.
pigeon is doing this on purpose, guys.
Deflection and derailment from the point is his standard M.O.
I think Hillary don't get interrumped because their advisers minimize the opportunity of events like this happening. For example She didn't attend Net roots Nation event when the Last protest happened.
of course, but from the excerpt posted in the thread it sounds like there wasn't any actual meaningful dialogue going on
Gotta agree with you. If anyone follows and black political circles. Clinton is getting tons of heat and many don't trust her at all.
Maybe she has better security. She is the wife of a former president. Not to mention her staff probably hand picks her audience.
UltimaPooh
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Which is mostly true... economic issues have caused deep racial issues.
Problem is everyone wants their slice of the pie when it comes to a candidate. So Hilary and other candidates can easily pander to minorities and then fuck off when it really comes the time to following through on the pandering.
Yea, I am sure a few hundred thousand dollars from private prisons will sway her vote and change her publicly stated issue on the matter...
Not Hillary...George Soros
lol, this shit is already on the reddits. Not the interruption, the conspiracy that Soros is sending BLM after Sanders.
And_Gignac
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That's not truth. He has said in multiple rallies how he thinks racial issues is a problem by itself, not a by product of economic injustice. Some people just like to pretend he isn't talking about it or he himself has his team has not been effective enough to communicate the message. And that article wasn't a "prediction", it was posted after the NetRoots incident.
The suggestion is that he has influence with the people who are leading / organizing the movement.
That bastard.
Seriously though, can we stop pretending she needed the deck stacked? She won this a very long time ago.
What's the point of doing this to Bernie if he's just a sideshow and has no chance at the nomination?
The alternate explanation is that, just like the polls show, people of color generally support Clinton and believe that she'll represent their issues and concerns.
Yeah. This is an old school socialist type of mentality; that is to say that racism stems from economic equality. It also makes more sense to go after economic inequality, since people of color are the most affected by it and I'm not sure how exactly we'd go about practically outlawing racism.
I think he's only recently said that, though. Not before he got heckled. I may be wrong.
This is a ridiculous statement. The blind self-righteous hero worship of this man is getting out of hand. Using any and everything to defend the man including highly deceptive stories to desperately show support is sad.
The bitterness toward Secretary Clinton has to stop.
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