Did you see what whites have done to lions? Not the best splice IMO.
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Black Lives Matter shuts down a Bernie Sanders rally
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Did you see what whites have done to lions? Not the best splice IMO.
I didn't mean to phrase it as a binary but there has consistently been this tension in liberal America. A lot of people have never experienced or had to confront the complexity of these issues. The fact is, policing is deeply unfair and reflective of conditions throughout society. I think most liberals live in such a way that they can be largely ignorant of the deeply ingrained racial prejudices alive today and BLM is exposing this. I can't tell you how many "liberals" I've seen say we are talking about policing too much or get angry at BLM because they find them angry or abrasive.
HighResTomato
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May be but I'm proud to be black and I've seen with my own eyes how black people are made out to be aggressive in almost anything they do.
Them storming that stage like that is not the way and yes it reflects on the community as a whole, because this clip is going to be repeated time and time again to fit some ones agenda.
Jeevesmeister
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Yeah, what people are quickly reframing this as isn't lining up with what's actually been said, this is twice now. It's ridiculous.
Obama probably would have just gotten security to escort them out.
I would just like to point out that this video is only 30 seconds long.
The protesters were on stage for over 5 minutes.
PhoenixDark
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Not really.
So much of this debate revolves around fighting over symptoms instead of addressing the underlining problem. Police killing black people is not the major issue of the community, or the biggest problem. I'd argue it's less of a problem than an expected end result of the socioeconomic conditions. If you redline a neighborhood, dumb a bunch of people there, depress the economic system over time as middle class jobs disappear, flood the area with drugs...you're going to get a dangerous, ugly neighborhood that requires more aggressive policing than you'd need in a suburb.
Obviously not every black person in the country is living in bad conditions - these conversations tend to ignore the black middle class - but most of the biggest cases of police brutality happen in high crime areas. Ghettos that have been systematically created.
The question should be how do you fix those areas. If the conditions on the ground improve - better schools to keep kids focused, jobs to increase the tax base, etc - there would be less drugs and less police. For all the talk about liberal policies not helping black people, we've never seen that type of liberal policy in effect on a macro level. Perhaps it's not feasible; after all, those low education working class jobs (manufacturing) aren't coming back anytime soon.
Hahaaha you do realize that he lived in an era where they were lynching black people just because they walked down the wrong side of the street. They burned down whole towns just because black people live there.
speculawyer
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A movement about violence against innocent victims perpetrated violence against an innocent victim.
Brilliant.
Brilliant.
Every group is worried about their own self interest. I didn't hear any outrage from the black community about how brown people were treated post 9/11.
This is something I noticed as well. Authentic or not, Hillary is using the ideas and language of the discourse while Bernie talks like he is on the outside looking in. Maybe that means Hillary has better advisers and speechwriters, or maybe it means Hillary does get it in a way that resonates with people of color.
really?
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
What people who are defending the protesters fail to realize is that for many perception is reality. If someone who doesnt follow politics see the protests they are going to assume Bernie has a weak stance on minority rights and most likely assume that other candidates have a better record on minority rights. Thus throwing their support behind hillary or repubs.
Long story long they are shooting themselves in the foot.
Long story long they are shooting themselves in the foot.
BennyBlanco
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It's not that people don't sympathize, it's that people are more concerned with the economy at the end of the day.
FTR: couldn't give less of a shit about the bernie sanders campaign
A Link to the Past
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Black people killed by police
But, Bernie Sanders was shouted at and couldn't speak
Hard call
for sure, it's one thing to think "ofc racism is bad and black lives matter and the police suck", and entirely different to actually be confronted by the reality of what that all means.
i too approve of harassment, because somewhere else, someone else did something bad.
We've now come to the part of the thread where minorities are pit against each other.
He was shot, at at time when his popularity was at 25%. An all time low. His allies in government turned against him when he spoke out against the Vietnam war. His allies in the black and white communities were no longer standing behind him so strongly, due to controversies in the media attacking his character and commitment to the movement. And he had already accomplished a lot of what he was fighting for so there was a lull in activity amongst his campaign.
He was turned into a martyr and then a symbol of the establishment. He intended to be neither, but he had to die first before he could become "useful". "Respectability" wasn't what MLK was going for. He would be the one helping to plan the disruptions, not sitting in the back of the room waiting for his turn to speak. If he believed in a cause, he faught for that cause, he did not sit for the cause, he did not go to meetings and watch for the cause.
If we're going to use the Washington Times as a source on something concerning Hillary Clinton, shouldn't we also be using Fox News commentators as a source regarding the motivations of the socialist fifth-columnist Bernie Sanders?
Maybe that's what he believes. I'd certainly be interested if he clarifies his position on it.
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of what respectability politics is.
Respectability politics is integrating with the main stream, not rocking the boat, and asking nicely for the oppressing force to ease their boot up off your neck a bit.
Don't sag your pants, don't twerk, don't do "black people" things, and the powers that be will have no quarrel with you.
It relies on the naive belief that racism is in some part perpetuated by the oppressed, and can see remedied unilaterally by them if they simply started "acting right."
And as we all know, you gonna catch a baton to the head just as quick in some Oxfords as you would some air forces. Jermaine's resume going straight to the trash whether he go six sets of cufflinks or turns up on the weekends.
MLK is the perfect example. MLK carried himself with dignity and represented a movement worthy of attention and respect. He galvanised millions of all races and walks of life in supporting the end to injustice.
He was murdered, yes, but the people honour his sacrifice and his work to this day and will continue to do so for generations upon generations.
Do you think he would've been half as successful if he acted like some of his contemporaries - of whom many either died before him or slid into obscurity?
Black people are tired of having MLK swung in front of their faces. Its like telling them they should have to be in mortal peril to affect change in a way that everyone else finds less discomforting.
A Link to the Past
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Are you quite daft? Violence against POC was compared to people bullying a politician. I haven't even commented on whether they were "right" to do so, but one is a million times worse than the other.
I mean she definitely does. It's not even a question.
Jeevesmeister
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Mind you this is after Sanders already retailored his campaign to address the demands of BLM.
But hey, yeah, its just a white liberal supremacist conspiracy to bring down Hillary and O'Malley, the poor, downtrodden crusaders for prison reform and changing policing methods across the country.
But hey, yeah, its just a white liberal supremacist conspiracy to bring down Hillary and O'Malley, the poor, downtrodden crusaders for prison reform and changing policing methods across the country.
DontBeThatGuy
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How many times has MLK been brought up in this thread? We need a counter.
Whoa, really? Do you have a source you could link to just so I could read up on the subject?
Subpar Spatula
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You can still care but be critical. I think a lot of people cared about #OccupyWallstreet but that doesn't mean they didn't do a horrible job at conveying their message.
I think this is irony. People should support BLM because it's good even though they're not competent with their message but BLM shouldn't support Bernie because he's not competent with his messages.
He was labeled as such when he was alive.
Respectability gets your civil rights violated by a cross dressing psychopath, murdered in a hotel room, and a monument placed in their capital as they try to rewrite your story into their image.
gutter_trash
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Bernie is passed his prime, why run when he will be 75 in Nov 2015?
He should have ran like 10 years ago while still in his 60s
people made a big deal about John McCain's age after selecting Sarah Palin, remembrer
He should have ran like 10 years ago while still in his 60s
people made a big deal about John McCain's age after selecting Sarah Palin, remembrer
Are you quite daft? one thing is bad. Another one is worse. this is not an impossible situation.
Only difference is BLM has been extremely consistent and successful with their message,
MLK was a deeply divisive figure who led extremely effective boycotts that effectively shut cities down. He practiced an extremely disruptive form of activism that hinged on creating so much emotion and attention that the issues could not be ignored. His history has been whitewashed, but MLK himself expressed deep disappointment with what he termed the "white moderate" who failed to see what he was trying to reveal.
Feels like we are starting to see preemptive MLK in front of the inevitable MLK. Its gonna become some meta ouroborus like joke at some point.
Testicular Sound Express
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THANK YOU! As a black male, Im sick and tired of people telling me what MLK and Malcom X would do/say in 2015. They are gone now; you have no fucking clue what they would do. I need people to learn more influential black people besides these two men.
UltimaPooh
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Well I doubt Bernie will pick a running mate like Sarah Palin. So if he dies... Bernie 2.0 maybe?
PhoenixDark
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No, they're not.
Subpar Spatula
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These aren't consistent. It's going after those who can't afford good security.
MLK was an antagonizer. Sure, he did it non-violently and peacefully, but that does not mean that he wasnt an antagonizer. Perhaps we just have different definitions of respectable politics? Because I don't think people who stir shit up, antagonize and fight the status quo practice respectable politics.
A Link to the Past
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One is worse than the other, and the comparison is a bad one. Unless Bernie is weirdly the first politician who shouldn't be protested, I don't see why you are not able to comprehend how problematic it is to say that their movement of anti-violence is negated by being loud, and angry, and even mean.
So what you're saying is that they're consistently going after those who can't afford good security?
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benicillin
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Sanders/Warren was my dream ticket but that'll never happen.
djplaeskool
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I'm glad you're hear to tell me how i can't comprehend things, despite what my own posts are saying.
gutter_trash
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I wouldn't call shouting down people on the mic as successful. I find it abnoxious and childish.
Hey, we can be Liberal and as progressive as can be but getting shouted down? Good luck convincing the rest of the country that is not progressive and that is not liberal.
Hey, we can be Liberal and as progressive as can be but getting shouted down? Good luck convincing the rest of the country that is not progressive and that is not liberal.
UltimaPooh
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It would be neat but Warren would be ineffective as Vice or President at this point in her career.
I want her to stay in Congress where it really matters to passing laws.
A Link to the Past
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Well then! It sounds to me like you're saying "there's a right way to protest." Not too angry, not too loud, not too mean
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