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[A Link to the Past]

Except he's no the new Ron Paul.

Ron Paul would have voted against the Civil Rights Act if given the chance.

Please don't lump the two together because they are both under dogs. Their politics and views on the economy are completely different. Completely.

I'm talking about how people are treating him. Ron Paul had a similarly defensive fanbase, if I recall.

 

[Boke1879]

Then maybe said larger movement could make some larger statement about it instead of cheering them on over said hashtag.

If this is true and its just these three, then you gotta disassociate or make a stand at other candidates' events or god, I don't know anything. This isn't about being the most right, this is about convincing people to support your ideals. The people at that Sanders rally were certainly to some degree receptive and tried to be as polite as possible given the circumstances.

It was 3 people that took to the stage and claimed to be part of the BLM movement. The movement at large probably has no idea this even happened or advocated it. I doubt @Deray advocated this. He was too busy planning a wedding for friends and is now organizing a protest for Christian Taylor.

 

[msv]

Yeah racist, self hating black man is that a thing now?

Yes.

But you misunderstood in the first place. You're saying - it will make the black community look more aggressive. Who sees two people protesting and then associates them with the 'black community'? That's right, racists! So who cares if it makes black people seem more aggressive in the eyes of racists? They'll find whatever they want to justify their views either way, it doesn't matter.

 

[Jeevesmeister]

Also the fact that a protestor at today's event demanded Sanders be more like O'Malley is so fucking incompetent and laughable that I'm at a loss for words.

At this point you can't say a word against Sanders for having these protesters removed by security from future events. There's better voices to support and listen to on these issues that aren't professing a worldview so riddled with cognitive dissonance that the former "zero tolerance" mayor of Baltimore that contributed to Freddie Grey's death is somehow a better candidate than Sanders.

It was 3 people that took to the stage and claimed to be part of the BLM movement. The movement at large probably has no idea this even happened or advocated it. I doubt @Deray advocated this. He was too busy planning a wedding for friends and is now organizing a protest for Christian Taylor.

Then that needs to be stated and made public for everyone to hear by the leadership, however it manifests, Deray or otherwise - the Seattle chapter for BLM has already done so on Twitter.

 

[Slayven]

The media already portrays black people as aggressive and this is going to enforce that. Respectability will get you places, shutting down people at their own rally is not the way.

It will enforce it if you are racist or have racist tendencies. And to those that always speak on the respectably of the back people, no amount of suit wearing, hair straightening will appease them.

 

[And_Gignac]

Sometimes I feel bad for Sanders. His message seems to resonate with a portion of ex Ron Paul supporters, which seems not to be really racially aware (to put it nicely).

Still, single handling these people to represent all of Bernie supporters is the same as saying these 3 protesters represent the whole of BLM.

It was 3 people that took to the stage and claimed to be part of the BLM movement. The movement at large probably has no idea this even happened or advocated it. I doubt @Deray advocated this. He was too busy planning a wedding for friends and is now organizing a protest for Christian Taylor.

Deray attended a Bernie rally a couple of days ago and he praised Sanders a lot. So yeah.

 

[benicillin]

Not a great response. Maybe he's right that they are wrong to have disrupted the movement, or maybe he really does need to try harder to address issues. He's basically saying "I'm doing X and Y, that should be enough."

I think he's done better at addressing the issues since the Netroots thing in a more straightforward way, his remarks at the SCLC are pretty clear.

They were definitely wrong to have interrupted the event, IMO - it wasn't a campaign rally in the first place, it was a Medicare and Social Security thing, that Bernie was invited to speak at (it wasn't his event) and had nothing to do with the topics that those three people seemed to want to discuss.

 

[Dead Man]

BLM is funded by Soros, a huge Clinton supporter.

Seriously?

 

[UltimaPooh]

I'm talking about how people are treating him. Ron Paul had a similarly defensive fanbase, if I recall.

I can see similarities.

But as another poster pointed out is that they are protesting the wrong person. Probably because his rallies are easier to protest. So it's just frustrating. The battle for Bernie's camp his a huge up hill battle.

Could Bernie work a little more on his messaging when it comes to BLM? Yeah definitely sure. But his record, which is important should show BLM he is already on their side.

 

[Ziffles]

It was a weird event to take over in the first place. It wasn't Bernie's official rally in Seattle, it was just a short event talking about social security.

If anyone thinks that Sanders is ignoring racial issues, they should probably read his remarks from the SCLC.

EDIT: Sanders short response.

Bernie didn't deserve it at all, but he needs to learn how to deal with hecklers instead of sulking about it, and fast. Don't whine about disruptions when you yourself are trying to be disruptive.

 

[Mesousa]

The media already portrays black people as aggressive and this is going to enforce that. Respectability will get you places, shutting down people at their own rally is not the way.

Lol, like a bullet through the skull in Memphis.

If poor youths were not rioting in Ferguson or Baltimore, or yelling at an Old man's rally who stands not the slightest chance in hell of winning the presidential campaign, nobody would give a damn. Cops would still be killing black folks, there would be an hour or so of outrage, and then people would go back talking about the Kardashians or some stupid ass sporting event.

 

[akira28]

so you( or they) know nothing of Bernie Sanders...

and lol what, they gonna make Bernie "worth" supporting by pushing people of the mic at his events and scream???

Alot of these internet warriors and pro-protesters dont even vote. I've met alot of them they'll give you the usual "the whole system is bad man, they all the same" or some lazy bullshit on that line.

i need you to explain the first part, "you or they know nothing of Bernie Sanders"


yes, I'm sure that's the person you're going to find protesting an election rally. someone who completely disbelieves in the process.

 

[Black-Wind]

Yeah racist, self hating black man is that a thing now?

That's always been a thing actually ...

 

[Valnen]

Because he's the new Ron Paul.

Joke post?

 

[Envelope]

The media already portrays black people as aggressive and this is going to enforce that. Respectability will get you places, shutting down people at their own rally is not the way.

it only enforces that notion if you already have it.

 

[Boke1879]

Because he's the new Ron Paul. People are canonizing him something awful.



Not a great response. Maybe he's right that they are wrong to have disrupted the movement, or maybe he really does need to try harder to address issues. He's basically saying "I'm doing X and Y, that should be enough."

He needs to speak policy now. He can OWN this moment

 

[Piecake]

Seriously?

No

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=174734076&postcount=204

 

[benicillin]

Bernie didn't deserve it at all, but he needs to learn how to deal with hecklers instead of sulking about it, and fast. Don't whine about disruptions when you yourself are trying to be disruptive.

It wasn't Bernie's event even - he had no authority there to deal with any kind of interruptions, which is why he respectfully handed them the mic and let them talk. Like, I don't see what more he could have done. He peaced out not long afterwords because he didn't have time to make his speech and get to his actual rally.

 

[watershed]

It was a weird event to take over in the first place. It wasn't Bernie's official rally in Seattle, it was just a short event talking about social security.

If anyone thinks that Sanders is ignoring racial issues, they should probably read his remarks from the SCLC.

EDIT: Sanders short response.

All this is doing is making Bernie Sanders look like a racist.

You need to disrupt other things and jam in your own message. That comes at the cost of the thing you're disrupting. Here, they're essentially disrupting their own message.

Yeah I agree that this event might not have been the best place to stage an intervention but at the same time I think everyone in the audience (like most people in this thread) likely had some of knee-jerk reaction to this intervention. It's interesting and creates an opportunity for people to think about what matters to them. I care far less about Bernie Sanders' one rally in Seattle than I do about racial profiling and police violence. All democratic candidates should feel compelled to speak more specifically and consistently on these issues. BLM activists are trying to make that happen, I think. I think they are also exposing the gulf between people who are deeply invested in these issues and well meaning, do nothing liberals.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Joke post?

No. I'm referring to how both were very, very popular on the Internet and had fairly defensive fanbases (regardless of whether their defensiveness was justified).

 

[Coffee Dog]

Respectability has never gotten anyone anywhere. MLK marched as the south was burning.

 

[Dead Man]

No

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=174734076&postcount=204

Thanks for the extra info

Edit: On reading it seems the major claim is correct:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...nds-ferguson-protests-hopes-to-spur/?page=all

With the backing of national civil rights organizations and Mr. Soros‘ funding, “Black Lives Matter” grew from a hashtag into a social media phenomenon

The degree of current funding may be at issue though, since the article is 8 months old.

 

[Envelope]

Yeah I agree that this event might not have been the best place to stage an intervention but at the same time I think everyone in the audience (like most people in this thread) likely had some of knee-jerk reaction to this intervention. It's interesting and creates an opportunity for people to think about what matters to them. I care far less about Bernie Sanders' one rally in Seattle than I do about racial profiling and police violence. All democratic candidates should feel compelled to speak more specifically and consistently on these issues. BLM activists are trying to make that happen, I think. I think they are also exposing the gulf between people who are deeply invested in these issues and well meaning, do nothing liberals.

i don't see it as a binary, rather a continuum, and if BLM, or people acting in their stead continue to posit it as ALL OR NOTHING they're undeniably going to struggle getting their message across.

 

[Kreed]

Surprised this wasn't a thread bump. There definitely is a lot of deja vu going on in this thread, right down to Bernie leaving the stage:

"Bernie, you were confronted at NetRoots by black women," Johnson said before adding, "you have yet to put out a criminal justice reform package like O’Malley did."

After the protesters and organizers continued the confrontation on stage, Sanders waved to the crowd and walked off the stage.

He entered the crowd to greet supporters, who chanted his name as he shook hands.

This didn't help him the first time, why do it a second time? Now this could become a "thing" at his protests. Just respond to them like every other politician/public figure/entertainer does with protestors and hecklers either with facts answering their questions or a Obama style witty quip that gets the public around you, get it on video/social media, and help it spread so this doesn't happen again. You don't stop speaking and walk off the stage for an interruption when you're trying to hold the highest office in the US.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

Respectability has never gotten anyone anywhere. MLK marched as the south was burning.

How is Sanders the enemy.

 

[JustenP88]

No. I'm referring to how both were very, very popular on the Internet and had fairly defensive fanbases (regardless of whether their defensiveness was justified).

Every politician has a defensive fanbase. Bias is an unavoidable reality. Why should the politician with less name recognition be made into a punchline for having supporters?

 

[Vicetrailia]

Two people man, two people. lol, common now.

Surprised this wasn't a thread bump. There definitely is a lot of deja vu going on in this thread, right down to Bernie leaving the stage:



This didn't help him the first time, why do it a second time? Now this could become a "thing" at his protests. Just respond to them like every other politician/public figure/entertainer does with protestors and hecklers either with facts answering their questions or a Obama style witty quip that gets the public around you, get it on video/social media, and help it spread so this doesn't happen again. You don't stop speaking and walk off the stage for an interruption when you're trying to hold the highest office in the US.

Sure but he isn't those guys for sure, but he should learn that skill or come up with another solution..

 

[Merc_]

Fuck respectability politics, what we need is to find some way to splice us black folk with lions. Then white folk will give a shit about us and we'll probably get some bitchin' superpowers out of the ordeal.

It's win/win.

 

[thepotatoman]

This is bullshit, Bernie has talked a lot during his run about needed to end mass incarceration and needing police accountability.

About a week ago both Hillary and Bernie spoke at the National Urban League Conference.

Hillary

Bernie

Notice how Hillary devotes her whole speech talking about racial inequality, while most of Bernie's speech is still about class inequality instead of race inequality, even at a conference that is specifically about racial issues? It takes like 15 minutes before he talks about it for the last 7 minutes of his speech.

I don't know if that makes it helpful for this specific protest to happen, but it might help explain why minorities support has been lower than you might expect.

 

[benicillin]

Surprised this wasn't a thread bump. There definitely is a lot of deja vu going on in this thread, right down to Bernie leaving the stage:



This didn't help him the first time, why do it a second time? Now this could become a "thing" at his protests. Just respond to them like every other politician/public figure/entertainer does with protestors and hecklers either with facts answering their questions or a Obama style witty quip that gets the public around you, get it on video/social media, and help it spread so this doesn't happen again. You don't stop speaking and walk off the stage for an interruption when you're trying to hold the highest office in the US.

I'm going to repeat this again, but this wasn't Bernie's event, it was a rally on medicare / social security he was invited to speak at before his actual rally/fundraiser started. When he went up to speak they went up on stage and demanded time to speak, so he handed them the microphone and stayed around while they were talking. He eventually had to leave because he only had time for a short speech probably and they took up his whole time and he had his actual campaign rally to get to.

 

[Frog-fu]

When has respectability politics ever worked? MLK was shot dead in a suit.

MLK is synonymous with the civil rights movement and he achieved far more success than his contemporaries. Respectability does get you somewhere.

 

[Lime_In_Da_Coconut]

I hope Bernie wins the presidency more than any of the other people who have any chance of winning, but this is totally fair of the BLM movement. They're right, he needs to have more concrete policies involving race in America stated. I really hope Bernie doesn't just become the "new Ron Paul," as stated by Link to the Snitch.

I feel like he already is, given how vitriolic his supporters are towards anyone that doesn't endorse him.

 

[Merc_]

MLK is synonymous with the civil rights movement and he achieved far more success than his contemporaries. Respectability does get you somewhere.

Yeah, about six feet under.

 

[akira28]

who's going to destroy social security and medicare tho? I mean, shitheels will go through the motions, but who actually has a credible threat to taking both of those down? I know that both are really popular platform issues for gathering supporters, but his statement sounds like this "you should know that I will fight for racial justice and equality. You should know this. But right now I need to talk about social security and medicare, and your interrupting me in front of these thousands of people is just really disappointing."

Is it really? "Disappointing" is all you have to say??

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

About a week ago both Hillary and Bernie spoke at the National Urban League Conference.

Hillary

Bernie

Notice how Hillary devotes her whole speech talking about racial inequality, while most of Bernie's speech is still about class inequality instead of race inequality, even at a conference that is specifically about racial issues? It takes like 15 minutes before he talks about it for the last 7 minutes of his speech.

I don't know if that makes it helpful for this specific protest to happen, but it might help explain why minorities support has been lower than you might expect.

Wouldn't they get much better results protesting republicans?

 

[linsivvi]

After several moments of confusion and confrontation, an event organizer took the microphone and said the protesters would be allowed to speak before Sanders. Some in the crowd booed.

One protester, who identified herself as Marissa Johnson, began by saying, “I was going to tell Bernie how racist this city is — with all of its progressives — but you’ve already done that for me. Thank you.”

What in the flying fuck?

They booed you so they are now racists?

 

[Coffee Dog]

How is Sanders the enemy.

I don't think he is. I didn't exactly say I supported this.

 

[werks]

Surprised this wasn't a thread bump. There definitely is a lot of deja vu going on in this thread, right down to Bernie leaving the stage:



This didn't help him the first time, why do it a second time? Now this could become a "thing" at his protests. Just respond to them like every other politician/public figure/entertainer does with protestors and hecklers either with facts answering their questions or a Obama style witty quip that gets the public around you, get it on video/social media, and help it spread so this doesn't happen again. You don't stop speaking and walk off the stage for an interruption when you're trying to hold the highest office in the US.

Respond how?

Go watch the video at https://mobile.twitter.com/SooperMexican

When would he have responded when they won't give the mic back. What Bernie has to do is clear, increase security so it doesn't happen again.

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

Respectability politics never gets you anywhere

Outrage is absolutely effective in politics, and has been a key to the civil rights movement's success. But context still matters - these girls just look dumb or at least uninformed, taking their anger out on the wrong guy. It's not going to accomplish anything; not many people's sympathy, even people like me who are already on their side, is going to be engaged by clearly mis-aimed rage. If they'd pulled this stunt on someone whose political course actually needed correcting, they could have made a splash.

 

[Justin]

Surprised this wasn't a thread bump. There definitely is a lot of deja vu going on in this thread, right down to Bernie leaving the stage:



This didn't help him the first time, why do it a second time? Now this could become a "thing" at his protests. Just respond to them like every other politician/public figure/entertainer does with protestors and hecklers either with facts answering their questions or a Obama style witty quip that gets the public around you, get it on video/social media, and help it spread so this doesn't happen again. You don't stop speaking and walk off the stage for an interruption when you're trying to hold the highest office in the US.

I have a feeling you haven't watched the video yet.

https://twitter.com/SooperMexican/status/630152729751633920

Take note that this was before he even started speaking.

 

[JDSN]

MLK is synonymous with the civil rights movement and he achieved far more success than his contemporaries. Respectability does get you somewhere.

He is dead.

 

[HK-47]

How is Sanders the enemy.

Its not that he is the enemy. Its that he is the only one that would make it the centerpiece of his campaign. I dont think he will though. He wants to have a platform that appeals to multiple demographics, thus economics and economic inequality.

 

[Boke1879]

Surprised this wasn't a thread bump. There definitely is a lot of deja vu going on in this thread, right down to Bernie leaving the stage:



This didn't help him the first time, why do it a second time? Now this could become a "thing" at his protests. Just respond to them like every other politician/public figure/entertainer does with protestors and hecklers either with facts answering their questions or a Obama style witty quip that gets the public around you, get it on video/social media, and help it spread so this doesn't happen again. You don't stop speaking and walk off the stage for an interruption when you're trying to hold the highest office in the US.

This is why I say he needs to start talking policy and ASAP. This shit isn't helping him at all. It's almost dismissive and as a presidential candidate you just can't do that. Especially with this issues being such a hot topic right now.

Maybe to a lot of people this is seen as disruptive but maybe these people are just fed the fuck up about having a black life lost seemingly every single day by the hands of officers.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

How is Sanders the enemy.

I don't think this is actually an "enemy" thing, but more along the lines of you say you're on our side, you have this platform, these huge crowds at your all your rallies, and you're not addressing certain issues enough, or in a way we deem adequate.

That's just a hunch though.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

I don't think he is. I didn't exactly say I supported this.

Ah, well, protesting Sanders is like protesting the north during MLKs marches.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Every politician has a defensive fanbase. Bias is an unavoidable reality. Why should the politician with less name recognition be made into a punchline for having supporters?

Because the "punchline" is how extreme and pointed they are. A lot of the defensiveness his fanbase puts up is often very harsh.

Ah, well, protesting Sanders is like protesting the north during MLKs marches.

Uh, there really wasn't a "the north" at the time, not in strict terms anyway. Though, what's the issue with someone protesting northern states during the Civil Rights Movement? Was discrimination based on skin colour not a thing up there at the time?

 

[Abinash117]

It will enforce it if you are racist or have racist tendencies. And to those that always speak on the respectably of the back people, no amount of suit wearing, hair straightening will appease them.

They don't necessary have to be "respectability" they have to be smart. What do you think some random person that does not know much about BLM and just looks at this, what do you think they will think?

If this doesn't become a big thing then nothing will happen besides maybe Berine Sanders conducting himself different.

And apparently the leadership had to apologise to Sanders. If they was going to take mic, they just need to be smart about. The riots worked, but this situation is different.

 

[Frog-fu]

Yeah, about six feet under.

He probably would've gotten there a lot sooner if he projected aggression like these misguided individuals.

Gandhi, from who MLK drew inspiration, was also murdered. Are you suggesting their politics were wrong based on the actions of their murderers?

 

[Mesousa]

Its not that he is the enemy. Its that he is the only one that would make it the centerpiece of his campaign. I dont think he will though. He wants to have a platform that appeals to multiple demographics, thus economics and economic inequality.

You know your country is FUCKED when the idea that "black lives matter" will not appeal across multiple demographics.

 

[SliceSabre]

MLK is synonymous with the civil rights movement and he achieved far more success than his contemporaries. Respectability does get you somewhere.

Got him shot. Not exactly a good example there kid.