Black males most consistently under-performing demographic. What can be done?

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PantherLotus said:
So basically you're saying nothing, because when you use caveats like "on some level" and "aspects of" but pretend like you didn't just say "divorce yourself completely from black culture," you're saying things that you either don't mean or that you don't understand.

Black culture is a large, mulch-faceted thing. Religion, morality, politics, sex, history, economics, etc. are all a part of it.

And again, some aspects of that thing are overwhelmingly negative.

Unfortunately for many blacks, divorcing yourself from one aspect of it means you're no longer "black" or part of the culture. A silly assumption to be sure, but for some, its all or nothing.

Some in this thread have demonstrated exactly that attitude.
 
royalan said:
Well, I personally don't think that what you're saying is the truth. I don't think you have to divorce yourself from black culture at all to be a successful black male. I don't think anti-intellectualism is an inherent trait of black culture. It's certainly a prevalent symptom of a myriad of social/economic/historical issues that plague the black community, but black culture itself is a vibrant thing worthy of respect. A lot more than it gets.

But anti-intellectualism affects more than just black people. People get picked on all the time for being book smart. It's just not called "acting white" when you're not black. It's called being a geek.

When I was in high school I very rarely got picked on for "acting white" because I loved and respected black culture and my place within it. The kids that usually got picked on for "acting white" or being "whitewashed" were the black kids who shared your philosophy: that you have to divorce yourself from being being black to make it.

Depends on what is considered black culture in that community. For lack of getting people lost and using mainstream imagery.

Are we talking about black culture aka nigga culture subset or Huxtables/Different world culture. Black culture is defined by the values and morals of the community not an overall set of rules
 
bdizzle said:
Is that supposed to make me feel better? Honestly I have NEVER seen an article posted about black people in OT that was positive, not even once. Every single one that gets posted here is negative.
I'm not saying your wrong, but I can't recall positive other races threads here on gaf. alot of the threads are also negative G. A. or florida threads
 
Ripclawe said:
Depends on what is considered black culture in that community. For lack of getting people lost and using mainstream imagery.

Are we talking about black culture aka nigga culture subset or Huxtables/Different world culture. Black culture is defined by the values and morals of the community not an overall set of rules

Can you define "nigga culture" for me? I mean, I get what you're saying, but I've always wondered why a list of negative traits that don't solely belong to black people nevertheless get associated with our race.

Should be called "slum culture" if anything...
 
Why is the graduation rate of black males only 25% in NY? How is that not leading to some serious reforms? You can blame family structure and such, but there is something else going on with rates that low.

MWS Natural said:
From White People:
"You listen to that kind of music? No way I don't believe you!"
"You have such good manners!"
"You're so well spoken and intelligent."
"Wow! You are really smart for a black guy!"

From Black People:
"What the hell kind of music is this??"
"Damn you are corny"
"Why you have to act white?"

People still use the word corny? I haven't heard that since middle/high school.

I have gotten the you are really smart, but not with the added for a black guy. That is just racist. Usually anyone who gets high grades on tests gets the you are really smart.

What does the good manners comment even mean? White people probably say that to other white people too. Seriously, listen to white people talk to each other and they say that stuff. I have heard it.

The well spoken and intelligent comment really goes to anyone who is that, not just black people. A lot of people simple aren't well spoken, white, black, asian, whatever. Whenever I hear someone speak really proper, it usually stands out to me.

The only ones I can believe are the music one and maybe the act white one. Everything else isn't offensive or just BS.
 
royalan said:
Can you define "nigga culture" for me? I mean, I get what you're saying, but I've always wondered why a list of negative traits that don't solely belong to black people nevertheless get associated with our race.

Should be called "slum culture" if anything...

How can you consider it "slum culture" when the same culture is prevalent among working and middle class blacks?
 
such a loaded issue that doesn't take into account all the contributing economic and social factors. 67% of 48 million black people versus I don't know the percentage of 239 million white people. I wouldn't even expect the differences to be 1:1 relatable because the two groups have been treated so differently for so long.

European immigrants of the last 2 centuries had to go through what black America is going through now, without the benefits of slavery and extended segregation. They had issues with single parenting and broken homes and crime. And when they were allowed to merge with the greater whole, there was a split, there were still the poor members of those groups, but it was much easier for members to elevate themselves as well. There's a small list of hitches you encounter when you try to compare this example to the black population though.


Also who shitted up the goddamn census bureau website? I can't even find my goddamn asshole there anymore.


edit: also black culture/nigga culture? What the natural born fuck?
 
entrement said:
Breakdown of the family unit.

Pretty much.

And I can basically say it has a lot to do with the the whole "If you're well mannered and Black then you are a disgrace to the race..." type of thinking. Many Black Girls think this way. Many would rather go out with a "tough thug that can protect them". They get in a relationship with one, have a kid/kids, and then the guy leaves, leaving the kid(s) and his mother. After the girl cries saying "I can't find a good man..".

The reason why so many well mannered Black men go out with girls of other races isn't due to them wanting to "sell out"... it's more so because Black girls don't want them and/or view them as "corny".

Now don't get me wrong, I don't want ones to think I'm saying that like it's a hard fact but this popular "you aren't a real Black man if you aren't a thug" thinking that's hammered into today's media and inner city culture is what's causing a lot of this.
 
Measley said:
How can you consider it "slum culture" when the same culture is prevalent among working and middle class blacks?

Is it? Because I personally don't know any working, middle class families that subscribe to "nigga culture." Again, whatever we're taking "nigga culture" to actually mean, here...

And I can basically say it has a lot to do with the the whole "If you're well mannered and Black then you are a disgrace to the race..." type of thinking. Many Black Girls think this way. Many would rather go out with a "tough thug that can protect them". They get in a relationship with one, have a kid/kids, and then the guy leaves, leaving the kid(s) and his mother. After the girl cries saying "I can't find a good man..".

Again, where are people getting this? I'm an intelligent, well-spoken black man and I rarely ever got picked on for being a "disgrace to the race." Probably because I also wasn't an uncle tom. I think sometimes people get those things mixed up. I'm not saying that you're an uncle tom, but I know so many examples of intelligent black men who get respect for being about their shit and going places. This idea that black culture compels us to foam at the mouth whenever a black person speaks in complete sentences is damaging and false.

Also, I tend to notice a lot of "smart guys" bemoaning the fact that girls don't just fall for their big brains and jump right into their laps. You still gotta have game, bruh...
 
royalan said:
Is it? Because I personally don't know any working, middle class families that subscribe to "nigga culture." Again, whatever we're taking "nigga culture" to actually mean, here...

If that culture was confined to the slums, it wouldn't be such a huge problem. The problem is that you have black youths across the economic strata engaged in that negative culture. That's part of the reason so many black children are growing up in single parent homes, and there's more black males in prison than on college campuses.

Bgamer made a good point as well. I am a successful African American male MARRIED to a non-black woman. Partly because of the phenomenon that he discussed in his post.
 
Bgamer90 said:
Pretty much.

And I can basically say it has a lot to do with the the whole "If you're well mannered and Black then you are a disgrace to the race..." type of thinking. Many Black Girls think this way. Many would rather go out with a "tough thug that can protect them". They get in a relationship with one, have a kid/kids, and then the guy leaves, leaving the kid(s) and his mother. After the girl cries saying "I can't find a good man..".

The reason why so many well mannered Black men go out with girls of other races isn't due to them wanting to "sell out"... it's more so because Black girls don't want them and/or view them as "corny".

Now don't get me wrong, I don't want ones to think I'm saying that like it's a hard fact but this popular "you aren't a real Black man if you aren't a thug" thinking that's hammered into today's media and inner city culture is what's causing a lot of this.

It's not that much different from the whole "bad boy" thing. The problem is that it's taken to an extreme.
 
MWS Natural said:
From White People:
"You listen to that kind of music? No way I don't believe you!"
"You have such good manners!"
"You're so well spoken and intelligent."
"Wow! You are really smart for a black guy!"

From Black People:
"What the hell kind of music is this??"
"Damn you are corny"
"Why you have to act white?"
Those white responses are just plain racist.
Around here it's just really old people who say those sort of things, if that isn't the case for you then I'd like to know where you're at so I can avoid that racist hellhole.
 
It's hard being black in the South, not even funny how annoying it is hearing black dudes tellin me how "white" I act because I can name a Nirvana song on the radio or know the lyrics to a song by The Eagles. Then I since I intern at the unemployment office, I get guys trying to use the whole "help a brotha out" angle which btw pisses me off to no end...like I'm sorry why don't you help yourself? I can't help someone who got terminated fromt heir job for stealing shit.

Ughh.
 
planar1280 said:
they need to look up to better individuals. current role models are like Soulja Boy, Tupak etc

That's the first problem right there. The default answer in the black community (my community) shouldn't be to look upon entertainers. The problem is that there aren't enough real life tangible male role models around. Dads. Big Brothers. Male Teachers.

Most white kids can dig Eminem without wanting to BE Eminem. In fact, most white guys that I grew up with, set their aspirations on tangible goals. Banker. Accountant. Doctor. Businessman. Blue Collar Worker. If you see that your dad - your first image of a hero - is a success and isn't a total prick, you not only look up to him, but begin to don his values and his work ethic.

Take away dad, combine a mom that's either toiling too hard or isn't maturely equipped herself, and you've got an outcome that is evident today.

I'll never forget some of the earliest foolish lessons that I learned about wealth as a child: Work hard, debt is a constant, and dream big because dollars are precious.

It wasn't until I met kids of other cultures and noticed how they dealt with not only their liquid carry cash, but had a basic understanding of saving, investments, and their very outlook on the nature of 'wealth', that I began to understand how my inherited perspective was flawed.

And, yes, my dad - a good man - was present. These learned behaviors of failure is what keeps these dismal statistics persistent.
 
Measley said:
If that culture was confined to the slums, it wouldn't be such a huge problem. The problem is that you have black youths across the economic strata engaged in that negative culture. That's part of the reason so many black children are growing up in single parent homes, and there's more black males in prison than on college campuses.

Bgamer made a good point as well. I am a successful African American male MARRIED to a non-black woman. Partly because of the phenomenon that he discussed in his post.

See, this is why people think you're talking about black culture as a whole, and are borderline offended.

What is "that negative culture" that you keep referring to? And again, show me proof that working middle class families are subscribing to a negative culture and that it is these men, from working middle class families that are populating our prisons.
 
SmokyDave said:
Anti-intellectualism. Performing well in school is sometimes seen as 'acting white' and therefore terribly uncool. I'm sure there are a million other reasons.

67% coming from single parent homes is a crazy number.
Yeah, that's the one that got me too. Would love to see the comparison numbers against other demographics, but that's an outrages number. All in all this is shit news that won't be turned around anytime soon.

Culture, it's like evolution. Takes a long ass time to change.

I mean, I can see the excuse of certain root causes going back to slavery, but all in all that excuse no longer holds in my eyes.

I HATE race segregation, everything from black history month to 'negro college' and whatever the fuck else. IT DOESN'T HELP, it simply encourages the 'we are black people and they are white people' mentality.

I wish skin color could be as meaningless as eye and hair color, but when you keep pushing the idea that 'blue eye culture is this, brown is that', you're getting no where, and quite simply being counterproductive.

Just my opinion, but this culture based on skin/race etc etc is detrimental to society as a whole and it's beginning to show more and more every year.

[edit] also, why do black people need to 'look up to black role models'? I look up to tupac or luther king, doesn't mean anything. Black people should look up to whoever the fuck they look up to.

Ugh, this race-centric-culture mentality is killing me, one of the things I hated in american high school.
 
royalan said:
Again, where are people getting this? I'm an intelligent, well-spoken black man and I rarely ever got picked on for being a "disgrace to the race." Probably because I also wasn't an uncle tom. I think sometimes people get those things mixed up. I'm not saying that you're an uncle tom, but I know so many examples of intelligent black men who get respect for being about their shit and going places. This idea that black culture compels us to foam at the mouth whenever a black person speaks in complete sentences is damaging and false.

Also, I tend to notice a lot of "smart guys" bemoaning the fact that girls don't just fall for their big brains and jump right into their laps. You still gotta have game, bruh...

Must be where I (and others) live since I got picked on a lot by other Black males at school. It has to not only do with being well mannered but your interests, the way you dress, etc.

I'm not just pulling it out of nowhere and the fact that so many have said similar things in this thread (and others) makes your reaction to what I said surprising to me.

Just because it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean it's not true.
 
Measley said:
Typical response I get from my black students (and sadly parents) when they don't like to hear the truth.

Its like sticking your fingers in your ears and going "la-la-la".
It is chilling to know that any school would hire you to teach anybody.
 
Sentry said:
Yeah, that's the one that got me too. Would love to see the comparison numbers against other demographics, but that's an outrages number. All in all this is shit news that won't be turned around anytime soon.

Culture, it's like evolution. Takes a long ass time to change.

I mean, I can see the excuse of certain root causes going back to slavery, but all in all that excuse no longer holds in my eyes.

I HATE race segregation, everything from black history month to 'negro college' and whatever the fuck else. IT DOESN'T HELP, it simply encourages the 'we are black people and they are white people' mentality.

I wish skin color could be as meaningless as eye and hair color, but when you keep pushing the idea that 'blue eye culture is this, brown is that', you're getting no where, and quite simply being counterproductive.

Just my opinion, but this culture based on skin/race etc etc is detrimental to society as a whole and it's beginning to show more and more every year.

[edit] also, why do black people need to 'look up to black role models'? I look up to tupac or luther king, doesn't mean anything. Black people should look up to whoever the fuck they look up to.

Ugh, this race-centric-culture mentality is killing me, one of the things I hated in american high school.
I agree with this.
In a sense, being proud of your race is a strength when you're being looked down upon because of your race. But there is a risk of that pride further reinforcing racial segregation as you've pointed out.
 
Bgamer90 said:
Pretty much.

And I can basically say it has a lot to do with the the whole "If you're well mannered and Black then you are a disgrace to the race..." type of thinking. Many Black Girls think this way. Many would rather go out with a "tough thug that can protect them". They get in a relationship with one, have a kid/kids, and then the guy leaves, leaving the kid(s) and his mother. After the girl cries saying "I can't find a good man..".

The reason why so many well mannered Black men go out with girls of other races isn't due to them wanting to "sell out"... it's more so because Black girls don't want them and/or view them as "corny".

Now don't get me wrong, I don't want ones to think I'm saying that like it's a hard fact but this popular "you aren't a real Black man if you aren't a thug" thinking that's hammered into today's media and inner city culture is what's causing a lot of this.


I really want to disagree with you here man but I can't. Over the last year or so, I've put black women on top priority when it comes to dating. Partially because of things I've read here on GAF.
It's slow going man and extremely frustrating. It's like really put-together girls don't think I'm put together enough and girls that are maybe not so put-together think I'm some kind of buster.

Are we still saying buster?

I do alright for myself with girls from other backgrounds, make an O.K. living and I'm not exactly eye-poison, but this is like running into a wall full tilt. I don't know how much you guys sync up in terms of your looks and personality but if you were going to try and divine what I'm like by the way I look or my background, you'd be way off.

I know, completely anecdotal and from my limited experience but this has been my experience
 
royalan said:
See, this is why people think you're talking about black culture as a whole, and are borderline offended.

What is "that negative culture" that you keep referring to?

The slum culture we were just talking about. Did you forget that quickly?

And again, show me proof that working middle class families are subscribing to a negative culture and that it is these men, from working middle class families that are populating our prisons.

We have 50% rate of black children dropping out of high school. We have 67% of black children growing up in single parent households. The black poverty rate is around 28%.

Londa said:
It is chilling to know that any school would hire you to teach anybody.

You should feel fortunate that there are people willing to teach inner-city youth at all. Most education majors run to the mostly white suburban schools as quickly as they can. They view black youth as a lost cause.
 
Shanadeus said:
I agree with this.
In a sense, being proud of your race is a strength when you're being looked down upon because of your race. But there is a risk of that pride further reinforcing racial segregation as you've pointed out.
Of course, being proud is one thing since your history is pretty fucked up & at the same time inspiring, but that has a similar mentality to modern egyptians somehow taking credit for the pyramids, how 'proud' they're.

A bit of a stretch comparison but I think my point gets across. :lol
 
Shanadeus said:
Those white responses are just plain racist.
Around here it's just really old people who say those sort of things, if that isn't the case for you then I'd like to know where you're at so I can avoid that racist hellhole.
Those who made those comments were actually younger than me (minus last one), when I mentioned this to the people I was with they looked at me like I was crazy for pointing those things out.
akira28 said:
edit: also black culture/nigga culture? What the natural born fuck?
Is Redneck/Hillbilly culture associated with all white people? No.
It's no different. Why is that hood/nigga culture is associated with ALL black people?
 
Measley said:
The slum culture we were just talking about. Did you forget that quickly?



We have 50% rate of black children dropping out of high school. We have 67% of black children growing up in single parent households. The black poverty rate is around 28%.



You should feel fortunate that there are people willing to teach inner-city youth at all. Most education majors run to the mostly white suburban schools as quickly as they can. They view black youth as a lost cause.

I was also the only African American male in my graduating class.
nope, never will I think that you are doing anyone a favor by teaching kids lies.
 
MWS Natural said:
Is Redneck/Hillbilly culture associated with all white people? No. It's no different. Why is that hood/nigga culture is associated with ALL black people?
indeed. it shouldn't even have to be pointed out.

looks like I left at just the right time too.

*heads back out*
 
SonnyBoy said:
<--- black LMAO

The #1 issue is the lack of family structure. That's the root of the issue. A lot of those issues stem from slavery.

didn't black people have a great family structure during slavery time?
 
Tideas said:
didn't black people have a great family structure during slavery time?

Nope. They did before integration though, which is why some black intellectuals are calling for a return to segregation.
 
Tideas said:
didn't black people have a great family structure during slavery time?
if you think having your wife raped and your own penis being pickled then maybe... Only to you it was
 
Must be where I (and others) live since I got picked on a lot by other Black males at school. It has to not only do with being well mannered but your interests, the way you dress, etc.

I'm not just pulling it out of nowhere and the fact that so many have said similar things in this thread (and others) makes your reaction to what I said surprising to me.

Just because it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean it's not true.

I'm not saying that I don't believe it's true or that you didn't really go through that. I've gone through it, too.

I just think that it's being really overblown in this thread. There are a lot of examples of black people lifting up our own. It's hardly the case that any black person who possesses intelligence is looked down on for "acting white" by the community as a whole. HBCUs wouldn't exist if that were the case.

When I was younger I rarely got picked on for "acting white" because I had a healthy respect for black culture and it showed. I never looked down on anyone or lorded my intelligence over people. If I got picked on at all, it was for being a geek in the general sense.

Again, in my experience, a lot of the kids I saw who did get picked on for "acting white" were kids who didn't have a lot of respect for black culture, and it usually showed.

The slum culture we were just talking about. Did you forget that quickly?



We have 50% rate of black children dropping out of high school. We have 67% of black children growing up in single parent households. The black poverty rate is around 28%.

Again, DEFINE this culture you're talking about. Because it seems awful like you're talking about black culture in general here.
 
Measley said:
The slum culture we were just talking about. Did you forget that quickly?



We have 50% rate of black children dropping out of high school. We have 67% of black children growing up in single parent households. The black poverty rate is around 28%.



You should feel fortunate that there are people willing to teach inner-city youth at all. Most education majors run to the mostly white suburban schools as quickly as they can. They view black youth as a lost cause.

Slum culture also has white, hispanic and asian people. In fact most of the negative tropes people talk about can be assigned to most people on the lower economic rung who are fine being ignorant, illiterate and stupid. Most of them end up in gangs or incarcerated. It's hardly a black only thing and yet people keep talking about the issue as if it is. There are poor white places teachers don't want to go either. Education is drying up in poor areas in general, not just poor "black" areas.

Why then are these negative attributes associated with "black culture"? Because most people either only watch TV or haven't known enough black people outside of stereotypes to realize that black culture doesn't entail these things. It's black ghetto culture, and even then not all black ghetto culture revolves around negative stereotypes either.

And to be honest guys, I'm starting to get irked hearing "black community/hispanic/asian community" because I never hear "white community", it's always assumed we're of varied classes, religions, opinions, politics, etc. It's the same with every other god damn race, you guys aren't an amorphous blob that all thinks alike.
 
WRT whether you need to reject black culture to be successful, I don't think so, but IMO 'culture' is mostly just useless baggage of dead people. Everyone, not just black people should look at and examine the culture and traditions that were passed down to them in depth before accepting them as their own. Do they work? Do they improve your life in any way?

If not, who fucking needs them?

God knows plenty of poor white people are carrying around the same kinds of useless cultural junk that it just slowing them down. Ditch that shit and make a better life for yourself.

Thomas Sowell actually wrote a book arguing that the negative 'ghetto' side of black culture was actually taken from the poor white 'redneck' culture that existed alongside slavery in the pre war south. Which is an interesting concept, though I personally don't believe the 'ghetto' culture truly took root in black culture until 100 years later. Haven't read the essay so I don't know how persuasive his argument was, and I'm sure his political point of view isn't very popular in the black community(or on this board for that matter :P ). Just an interesting theory that possibly all these supposed prerequisites for someone to be 'authentically black' actually came from southern rednecks.
 
MWS Natural said:
Those who made those comments were actually younger than me (minus last one), when I mentioned this to the people I was with they looked at me like I was crazy for pointing those things out.
Is Redneck/Hillbilly culture associated with all white people? No.
It's no different. Why is that hood/nigga culture is associated with ALL black people?
No, but you would have to agree that the rate of association with white people and redneck/hillbilly culture is far less than the association of black culture=/=hod/nigga culture.

That is basically what the statistics in the OP are talking about, in a sense. The dominance of this 'culture' in the black demographic.

The association may be unfair, but it does have certain ground, whereas the redneck/hillbilly : white has less merit.

Either way I see your point.

PS. I just thought back to all my school education, and I never ever had or had seen any type of african american male teacher/administrator etc. Very odd/unfortunate, had a black female science teacher though.
 
Sentry said:
I HATE race segregation, everything from black history month to 'negro college' and whatever the fuck else. IT DOESN'T HELP, it simply encourages the 'we are black people and they are white people' mentality.

I wish skin color could be as meaningless as eye and hair color, but when you keep pushing the idea that 'blue eye culture is this, brown is that', you're getting no where, and quite simply being counterproductive.

Just my opinion, but this culture based on skin/race etc etc is detrimental to society as a whole and it's beginning to show more and more every year.

[edit] also, why do black people need to 'look up to black role models'? I look up to tupac or luther king, doesn't mean anything. Black people should look up to whoever the fuck they look up to.

Ugh, this race-centric-culture mentality is killing me, one of the things I hated in American high school.

Had this viewpoint when i was younger. Now, not so much. Homogenization is, by nature, a loss of culture by blending. America is fascinating because it *is* a melting pot of different cultures. However, I think that's a misnomer. The implication is that we're a cultural gumbo when, in fact, America was at it strongest historically when we were more like a bento box. "Separate But Equal", conceptually, hasn't truly been practiced in this country. The concept of having individual cultures, like states, working together to form a more perfect union, has pretty much been a practice on paper. I've always wondered how this country would look today if each group of people, ie, your Blacks, whites, asians, and Hispanics, were all given the same high quality education, the same opportunity to jobs, the same equal positive and negative images on television, then came together, as equals, in determining the fate of our nation.

Instead, the result of integration is a confusing mix of values and traditions, and a false sense of equality that divides people economically instead of by the color.

Anyway, just my random thoughts on an interesting subject.
 
Sentry said:
no, but you would have to agree that the rate of association with white people and redneck/hillbilly culture is far less than the association of black culture=/=hod/nigga culture.

That is basically what the statistics in the OP are talking about, in a sense. The dominance of this 'culture' in the black demographic.

The association may be unfair, but it does have certain ground, whereas the redneck/hillbilly : white has less merit.

Either way I see your point.

PS. I just thought back to all my school education, and I never ever had or had seen any type of african american male teacher/administrator etc. Very odd and unfortunate, I had a black female science teacher though.
In my schools most of my teachers and all of my principals were black.
 
Devolution said:
Slum culture also has white, hispanic and asian people. In fact most of the negative tropes people talk about can be assigned to most people on the lower economic rung who are fine being ignorant, illiterate and stupid. Most of them end up in gangs or incarcerated. It's hardly a black only thing and yet people keep talking about the issue as if it is. There are poor white places teachers don't want to go either. Education is drying up in poor areas in general, not just poor "black" areas.

I never said they didn't. However, the negative culture in the black community stretches beyond just the slums, that's the point. Another difference is that the other groups overwhelmingly reject that "slum culture". Black people embrace it. Just look at Michael Eric Dyson's scathing rebuke of Bill Cosby's "Pound Cake" speech. Most blacks sided with Dyson, even though Cosby was correct in his observation.

Why then are these negative attributes associated with "black culture"?

Again, because black people are the only group who embrace that negative culture as an integral part of the "black experience", and people who point out how that culture retards black progress is immediately, and systematically attacked.
 
I know a lot of people say that there is no true "one cause", and that's entirely true. BUT, you have to realize that if you somehow changed the mindset of many blacks and black youth (I know considering I've been down that road before), you can solve half the problems right there.

The whole "acting white" thing is probably the biggest offender here. Anti-Intellectualism in slowly rotting the community away in favor of rap stars, basket ball and football players, and celebrities. Many just want to get rich quick and not want to work for it, or just try and be an professional athlete.
 
Tideas said:
didn't black people have a great family structure during slavery time?


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Londa said:
In my schools most of my teachers and all of my principals were black.
Yeah, my experiences of course don't reflect the entire country, lol. Where did you live btw?

I was in houston, still remember all the new black kids and friends I eventually made from the families that migrated to Texas from Louisiana after Katrina hit the gulf..Man our schools/classes were PACKED in those times.. I remember a tension rising with all these new 'black' kids, not that there weren't already a huge black count in the school, but it sort of made the black 'clique' thrive.

BlackBanditSho said:
Had this viewpoint when i was younger. Now, not so much. Homogenization is, by nature, a loss of culture by blending. America is fascinating because it *is* a melting pot of different cultures. However, I think that's a misnomer. The implication is that we're a cultural gumbo when, in fact, America was at it strongest historically when we were more like a bento box. "Separate But Equal", conceptually, hasn't truly been practiced in this country. The concept of having individual cultures, like states, working together to form a more perfect union, has pretty much been a practice on paper. I've always wondered how this country would look today if each group of people, ie, your Blacks, whites, asians, and Hispanics, were all given the same high quality education, the same opportunity to jobs, the same equal positive and negative images on television, then came together, as equals, in determining the fate of our nation.

Instead, the result of integration is a confusing mix of values and traditions, and a false sense of equality that divides people economically instead of by the color.

Anyway, just my random thoughts on an interesting subject.
I would agree for the most part, but just because such practices haven't been put into play, 'really', or even guaranteed to be successful, doesn't mean we shouldn't encourage such developments.

Ugh, this thread reminded me of all this baggage we have as a human race. Irritates me, wish we could start a new world/country sometimes.
 
Mammoth Jones said:
When I was a kid, hearing that from my mom really, really upset me. I had no context of "race". People were people. I didn't know I'm apparently suppose to separate people based off of color, ethnicity, gender,...etc

It was a completely alien concept to me. I just couldn't grasp it and I remember being upset at how UNFAIR it seemed.

Having grown up, you learn to accept the world the way it is. Not the way I think it should be. She was right.


See for me it was a bit different, I grew up in a predominately white area, granted I'm mixed but still, I stuck out. I did't understand how different things were until I moved to my mom. My dad was really well off and my mom not so much so I got a good taste of racial differences pretty quick
 
Foxy Fox 39 said:
I can't believe this sentence was actually thought, and then put into word form on the internet to be read.

Oh man I missed that gem, I guess in between being separated from loved ones, treated like brood mares and being raped by masters, yeah family life was wonderful.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
I know a lot of people say that there is no true "one cause", and that's entirely true. BUT, you have to realize that if you somehow changed the mindset of many blacks and black youth (I know considering I've been down that road before), you can solve half the problems right there.

The whole "acting white" thing is probably the biggest offender here. Anti-Intellectualism in slowly rotting the community away in favor of rap stars, basket ball and football players, and celebrities. Many just want to get rich quick and not want to work for it, or just try and be an professional athlete.

This is the biggest problem. However, its never going to happen because of their parents raising them alone or unable to raise them properly. Its a viscous cycle that I never see ending. In addition, Black role models are unwilling to change on a wide scale. Rappers being the biggest culprit. I actually believe it will get worse, especially with education being more crucial then ever to live a comfortable life.
 
Hmm I still find it odd alot of African Americans don't take advantage of all he stuff avaiable for them. For instance I'm a Hispanic male. Came from a Single parent. Wasn't born in the USA, and have achieved alot since then. I think black kids should put more effort in their education and not only blame the parents. Hell my mom didn't really pay too much attention to how I was doing in school (language barrier) only when grades came up. Like I didn't need motivation from her to do well. I grew up listening to rap and shit too but that didn't do jack shit. Man if I had the advantage of legal docs back then, I'd be finishing college now. Pisses me off that there alot of people who throw all that shit away to stick with a hard life.

Don't mean to sound like a dick but man, minorities have opportunities and alot take that shit for granted.
 
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