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What DO you guys play if you aren't playing Extend then?
They really are taking their sweet time.
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Blazblue Continuum Shift EXTEND |OT| - Now with New Hat
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cj_iwakura
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Extend is my primary fighting game, I haven't gotten into anything since then, but I dabble in 3SO and SSFIV on occasion(I don't own AE, so I can't do much with the latter).
Keep in mind that, when you do watch these videos, almost none of the players you'll be seeing will be people who are still playing the game. The American/European side has basically abandoned the game and the Japanese players will be playing the current revision.
I've been playing Quake for the past three years and I love it. I'll probably play the newest revision, though.
cj_iwakura
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I'll be playing randoms if anyone wants some matches.
cj_iwakura
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GGs Milk. My anti-Platinum fu's getting better.
Funny, I had no lag.
Funny, I had no lag.
Master Milk
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I think it was the TV I was playing on. I always forget to switch when playing online.
cj_iwakura
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By the by, should I buy Skullgirls if BB's the only fighter I'm competitively good at?
Master Milk
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You should buy Skullgirls if
- You've tried the demo and liked it.
- You like MvC2 and want to play a game that isn't a broken mess.
- You like the characters/lore/story/whatever.
- Uhhh . . .
I don't know. Just try it. If you like it, buy it.
It's not anything like BB though, if that's what you're asking.
cj_iwakura
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Master Milk
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hating mvc2 doesn't matter if you've played sg and liked it lol
ggs roebear
Those sessions made me realize that Valkenhayn is fucking AWESOME. Thanks, Q, for recommending him for me. I definitely see the slayer influence, dude can do whatever the hell he wants with his human/wolf form. Now I just need to go through the tutorial section with him because I didn't know what the hell I was doing when I was using him.
Maybe I'll actually start playing Extend after all.
Those sessions made me realize that Valkenhayn is fucking AWESOME. Thanks, Q, for recommending him for me. I definitely see the slayer influence, dude can do whatever the hell he wants with his human/wolf form. Now I just need to go through the tutorial section with him because I didn't know what the hell I was doing when I was using him.
Maybe I'll actually start playing Extend after all.
Prototype-03
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If you want, I can play some matches. I used to main Valk in CS1 so my combos are a bit outdated but if you want the basics, we can play some mirror matches.
sure, when will you be on?
Skullgirls feels a lot like the Marvel games. I couldn't get into it because of that. And also the 6 button layout (feels very obsolete in this era of any non-SF being 3 or 4 buttons) and how many of the special moves are mapped to a specific button instead of "any punch" or "any kick", which makes finding and/or memorizing them needlessly complicated.
Prototype-03
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Not sure actually... I need to take care of some work stuff so I may be on later tonight. I'll msg you or something.
I feel like playing too. Post when you guys are going on.
cj_iwakura
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Count me in.
Specific buttons corresponding to specific versions of a movie is fairly universal in some form or another. Sometimes it goes beyond speed or height and changes the nature of the move.
Speaking of which, specific button input special moves are really common in Blazblue.
cj_iwakura
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Pre-order says "late Oct-2013" on AmiAmi. It's sold out there already though. :/ I may be inclined to import a regular version too.
Wont it be in Japanese though?
cj_iwakura
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I assume so, it'd strictly be for the online play, so an indulgence to say the least.
(And I love BB's story modes, half the reason I keep buying them.)
Trial and error time son.
cj_iwakura
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I got some time.
And just as I post, my internet goes bananas and when it finally comes back up I'm forced to do a PSN update :/
cj_iwakura
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I had that too, you've got some time though.
ok, its updated now, still wanna play? can probably go for 30min or so
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Prototype-03
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I can probably play for a little... updating though
Had to drop it unfortunately. Maybe tomorrow.
(Fugu wasn't answering either.)
I guess I got a question for anyone that uses Hellsing then. are there any good pressure options following a 5B poke? The dustloop wiki keeps talking about how its a go to starter and such a great normal, yet when I was watching a few tourney matches I never see Hellsing players use 5B as a poke/starter at all except as a combo filler, gatlinged from a previous normal, or as a punish. Other than that they stick to 2A and sometimes even 5A as a pressure starter, pretty much omitting using 5B even as a basic poke and instead relying entirely on wolf mode to get in close and use his human forms 2A/5A for pressure. Is 5B not that good of a way to start pressure or something? Is it just a poke that has no good followups on block?
Saw this too late
Prototype-03
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I guess I got a question for anyone that uses Hellsing then. are there any good pressure options following a 5B poke? The dustloop wiki keeps talking about how its a go to starter and such a great normal, yet when I was watching a few tourney matches I never see Hellsing players use 5B as a poke/starter at all except as a combo filler, gatlinged from a previous normal, or as a punish. Other than that they stick to 2A and sometimes even 5A as a pressure starter, pretty much omitting using 5B even as a basic poke and instead relying entirely on wolf mode to get in close and use his human forms 2A/5A for pressure. Is 5B not that good of a way to start pressure or something? Is it just a poke that has no good followups on block?
No, his pressure options are slim from ANYTHING (ie: pretty short pressure). You usually want to save his meter for RCs for safe pressure or to extend combos. I believe 5B, 5C, 236A is relatively safe... although I could be wrong. You don't want to hang around as human form too long anyway. His wolf form>>>human form.
From 5B starter, it used to be 5B, 5C, 236A, RC, 6B, 236C, wolf combo. Not sure if it's still the same.
Saw this too late
I hung around for like 5 mins then left to hang out with gf instead.
So I shouldn't be trying to play footsies with his 5B/5C then? Thanks a lot Hellsing wiki/BBEX Hellsing tutorial >:{
does 5B, 5C, 236A, wolf form, continue pressure also work?
Prototype-03
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5B is long reach so you should still be poking with it. 5C starter is great if you can hit a counter hit since it will link into 236C on counter hit.
5B, 5C, 236A will lead into a pseudo reset but if you want to continue the combo, you have to RC.
You REALLY don't want to be in human form for too long though. Limited mobility and pretty bad midscreen combos if you don't have an RC.
The majority of special move buttons in BlazBlue obey a certain logic. Ragna's quarter circle backwards A special makes sense because it's a punching move, and Ragna's punches are mostly A attacks. Same thing with the same motion with B (kick), and his shoryuken-style move is either C or D for normal weapon and Drive-enhanced weapon respectively. And all his supers use D because they're all themed around his Drive. And his Astral Heat uses C because his weapon transforms, making it the main focus of the move.
In Skullgirls a special move may for instance require say a medium punch. Not any punch, just medium punch. This is what I hate. In Street Fighter any special move (with some *extremely rare* exceptions) will either work with any punch, or any kick. No need to memorize specific ones. But in Skullgirls they somehow messed this up, for seemingly no reason.
I don't follow you here, unless you're exclusively thinking of Cerebella's 623+P moves, or if you have a problem with different button versions of each move have dramatically different uses, such as Parasoul's pillars/soldier calls. This is an extremely common concept in Capcom games, and which "strength" of punch or kick you use to activate a move makes a huge difference in what you'll actually use the move for. Even if it's as "subtle" as the speed at which the fireball Ryu throws travels across the screen.
But why not D since his weapon is enhanced? Why is Platinum's astral C instead of D even though she uses her wand, or better yet why is her command grab D?
Even putting moves like C. Viper's thunder knuckle or Guy/El Fuerte's run aside, most of the time in Street Fighter you want a specific version of a move, either to make a combo work or for the specific situation you're in. Like in SF4, Akuma wants lk tatsu off a c mk, Chun-Li wants mk SBK after c hp, Rufus usually wants to do lk after hitting messiah kick, T. Hawk wants lp typhoon for oki, Rose can stock up on meter with lp reflect, M. Bison's corner pressure with lk lk lk scissors used to be brutal, and so on. You're going to have to learn these specific buttons anyway if you're going to actually play, to say nothing of learning all of a character's normal moves.
Besides, looking through the Skullgirls move list, you basically just have Cerebella's run special, her dp, Peacock's pistol and throw specials, and Ms. Fortune's head specials (all with HP). That's it.
For Valkenhayn I'm currently learning:
(2A) > 5B > 5C > 236A > RC > 2C > 6B > 5C > 236C > 9D > w[j.a(aa) > j.236A > j.236B > 4C/5C > j.B > j.B > 5B j.aaa > j.DC
and
w[5A > 5B > j.AAA > j.236A > j.236B > 4C > j.B > j.B > 5B] > j.B > j.B > j.C
What other bnb combos should I attempt to learn for Hellsing to get started? I'm assuming his throw combo and something else?
(2A) > 5B > 5C > 236A > RC > 2C > 6B > 5C > 236C > 9D > w[j.a(aa) > j.236A > j.236B > 4C/5C > j.B > j.B > 5B j.aaa > j.DC
and
w[5A > 5B > j.AAA > j.236A > j.236B > 4C > j.B > j.B > 5B] > j.B > j.B > j.C
What other bnb combos should I attempt to learn for Hellsing to get started? I'm assuming his throw combo and something else?
Prototype-03
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That looks fine. I forgot about the 5C after the 6B. You have some time now to play?
I'm not home atm, but ill be back in about an hour if you can still play then
cj_iwakura
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I should be around.
Honestly, doing combos isn't as difficult as setting them up in neutral first. Did you try his challenge combos? I found them very helpful and watching the CPU do it first gives you a good idea.
I'll play it'd be cool if we could have a bigger room up if anyone else wants in?
Also, yeah one of the trials is messing me up cause its like #8 or something can't figure out when to let go on the 3D when in the air.