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Bloodborne |Mafia OT| The Night Brims With Defiled Scum
- Thread starter ScraftyDevil
- Start date
02 [m] Verelios - New
Wut? Don't you think it would be incredible unfair towards scum to never give scum roles to new players? That gives town a couple of confirmed townies from the get go. Random role assignments are absolutely vital for any Mafia game to be fair.
Thanks for believing in me. Always knew you were one of the good ones.
My voting history which I keep harping on as my saving grace needs to show that I have killed members of each faction even fucked up with Haly but whatever. I never voted for ri'ous because it didn't count D1. It's obvious where I stand. My vote for myself would leave me dying for town with a bit of dignity and something for the rest to go on the following day.
My voting history which I keep harping on as my saving grace needs to show that I have killed members of each faction even fucked up with Haly but whatever. I never voted for ri'ous because it didn't count D1. It's obvious where I stand. My vote for myself would leave me dying for town with a bit of dignity and something for the rest to go on the following day.
Freakinchair
Member
I'm curious, obviously you didn't mean verelios, who is your other townie?
Sorry, I meant vanguard
I believe he is the doc. If he is Mensis, he would have assassinated a fellow member and put himself in the crossfire of church scum. If he is church, it would become apparent soon since it would be weird if he didn't protect you tonight and you somehow died and he still lived. Seems unlikely to me. This is outdated. Still trying to fool us even after leaving the game you sneaky neutral
Freakinchair
Member
That's a weird thing to say when you never voted to lynch a healing church and your only worthwhile vote was against johnnyquicknives, Mensis, during the day 4 standoff. Verelios was coincidentally healing church.
I'm not sure if the stunt you're trying to pull is going to work here friend.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
Sorry, I got drunk on the blood and didn't notice that flush's tool hadn't updated yet.This is outdated. Still trying to fool us even after leaving the game you sneaky neutral
I just want to die with dignity to show town who the real Mafia is. I enjoy the spotlight.
Freakinchair
Member
Post incoming in 10 mins.
this has been the longest 10 minutes of my life
Freakinchair
Member
Total Vote Counts (Bold/Underlined = Known Scum Vote):
Day 1 - Ri'Orius Lynched (Healing Church):
II-Vanguard-II - Kristoffer
MickD - Camjo-Z
Camjo-Z - Kristoffer
Freakinchair - Ri'Orius
MagnumBoy20xx - Ri'Orius
Flame_AC (Hobohodo) - Freakinchair
CrimsonFist (Rynam) - Did not vote
roytheone - Ri'Orius
squidyj - Ri'Orius
Zippedpinhead - Hobohodo
Kalor - Ri'Orius
Day 2 - Mazre Lynched (Mensis)
II-Vanguard-II - Mazre
MickD - Camjo-Z
Camjo-Z - Mazre
Freakinchair - Mazre
MagnumBoy20xx - No Vote
Flame_AC - Mazre
CrimsonFist - Nudull
roytheone - Mazre
squidyj - Mazre
Zippedpinhead - Hobohodo
Kalor - Mazre
Day 3 - Haly Lynched (Town):
II-Vanguard-II - Haly
MickD - Haly
Camjo-Z - Weemad
Freakinchair - Weemad
MagnumBoy20xx - Weemad
Flame_AC - Johnnyquicknives
CrimsonFist - Haly
roytheone - Haly
squidyj - Haly
Zippedpinhead - Johnnyquicknives
Kalor - Haly
Day 4 - Verelios Lynched (Healing Church)
II-Vanguard-II - johnnyquicknives
MickD - johnnyquicknives
Camjo-Z - johnnyquicknives
Freakinchair - Verelios
MagnumBoy20xx - Verelios
Flame_AC - No Vote
CrimsonFist - Verelios
roytheone - Flatearthpandas
squidyj - johnnyquicknives
Zippedpinhead - johnnyquicknives
Kalor - Verelios
Day 5 - Johnnyquicknives Lynched (Mensis):
II-Vanguard-II - johnnyquicknives
MickD - No Vote
Camjo-Z - johnnyquicknives
Freakinchair - johnnyquicknives
MagnumBoy20xx - No Vote
Flame_AC - johnnyquicknives
CrimsonFist - johnnyquicknives
roytheone - No Vote
squidyj - johnnyquicknives
Zippedpinhead - johnnyquicknives
Kalor - No Vote
Positive Tally (Votes Against known Healing Church - Mensis) - Opposing tag given to those who voted in day 1/day 2 for healing church/mensis since those votes couldve gone anywhere but they voted for scum (I did not count last minute votes). This is a good thing. Haly Lynch added for extra info:
II-Vanguard-II (0 - 3) (Haly Lynch) - Town Doctor.
MickD (0 - 1) (Haly Lynch)
Camjo-Z (1 - 3)
Freakinchair (3 - 2) (Opposing Healing Church / Mensis) - Town Vigilante
MagnumBoy20xx (3 - 0) (Opposing Healing Church)
Flame_AC (0 - 3) (Opposing Mensis)
CrimsonFist (1 - 1) (Haly Lynch)
roytheone (1 - 1) (Opposing Healing Church / Mensis) (Haly Lynch)
squidyj (1 - 3) (Opposing Healing Church / Mensis) (Haly Lynch)
Zippedpinhead (0 - 3)
Kalor (2 - 1) (Opposing Healing Church / Mensis) (Haly Lynch)
Ahem. Let's get started shall we.
My strongest analysis is based on what occured in Day 4. That day was clearly a Mensis vs Healing Church voting standoff where everyone came out to play. Knowing that johnnyquicknives was Mensis and Verelios was Healing Church means we can seperate the people who voted into two groups based on who they voted against. Please note that linked posts without a description are essentially just vote posts implying that the timing of the vote is important (early votes before bandwagons against scum are considered good here). I've also included their voting "score" and notable votes again to contrast the groupings:
Against Mensis:
zippedpinhead - (0 - 3) Extremely high chance of being Healing Church; No votes for both Healing Church lynches. All votes for Mensis lynches. INCLUDING the haly lynch day
MickD - (0 - 1) (Haly Lynch) Extremely high chance of being Healing Church; No votes for both Healing Church lynches. All votes before Verelios Lynch were inconsequential until Verelios was under peril. Suddenly, at the beginning of day 4, Verelios - MickD and Zippedpinhead vote for Johnnyquicknives basically at the 'same time' (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=208711849&postcount=1346 / http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=208823574&postcount=1411). Do you see my top 2 suspects? They match perfectly.
camjo-z - (1 - 3) - No chance at being Mensis (killed 3 of them), Very small chance at being Healing Church (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=208382718&postcount=1217)
squidyj - (1 - 3) (Haly Lynch) (Opposing Healing Church / Mensis) - Zero chance of being Healing Church or Mensis (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=206605629&postcount=568 / http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=207451341&postcount=704)
Against Healing Church:
freakinchair - (3 - 2) (Opposing Healing Church / Mensis)
crimsonfist - (1 - 1) (Haly Lynch) - Probably not Mensis (I was wrong in my earlier post, this post got the ball rolling on johnny - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=209362564&postcount=1600)
magnumboy20xx - (3 - 0) (Opposing Healing Church) - Extremely high chance of being Mensis; No votes for both Mensis lynches. All votes for healing church lynches. Very low post count.
kalor - (2 - 1) (Haly Lynch) (Opposing Healing Church / Mensis) - Definitely not Mensis or Healing Church (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=207702025&postcount=915 / http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=206605369&postcount=564)
Abstained:
Flame_AC - (0 - 3) - Could have almost saved Verelios in the vote by voting for Johnnyquicknives but didn't vote at all. Not likely to be Healing Church, definitely not Mensis.
roytheone - (1 - 1) - (Haly Lynch) (Opposing Healing Church / Mensis) - Definitely not Mensis - Could have saved Mazre on day 2 by voting for Verelios (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=207702055&postcount=916) - Definitely not healing church, started the bandwagon against ri'orius on day 1 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=206604139&postcount=554)
The italics are the reasonings for my suspicions and top priorities. The scum list reiterated:
Healing Church:
MickD
Zippedpinhead
Mensis:
Magnumboy20xx
If we are to assume that there are two Mensis left then that means there is one playing deep cover. I'm not too concerned about that yet. What I am concerned with are the ones hiding in plain sight. The ones with the piles of evidence that cannot be contradicted. All of it is there for everyone to see. It's time to admit to your crimes!
MickD - You are a Healing Church member!
VOTE: Mickd
CrimsonFist
Member
We should turbo him before he gets to post it.
On a more serious note, finished going through MickD. My thoughts are that 'd be pretty ok with that lynch. His bandwaggoning on the day 1 vote looks pretty bad, his tunneling Camjo is an easy point to go after. Pretty defensive when Palmer flipped town (1014) never responded when I called that out. Has never mentioned any of the Healing Church scum who have flipped, aside from that one late vote (unless thread search is letting me down). His town read list didn't contain anyone who has flipped scum, which is interesting considered that it was quite a long list (845).
On a more serious note, finished going through MickD. My thoughts are that 'd be pretty ok with that lynch. His bandwaggoning on the day 1 vote looks pretty bad, his tunneling Camjo is an easy point to go after. Pretty defensive when Palmer flipped town (1014) never responded when I called that out. Has never mentioned any of the Healing Church scum who have flipped, aside from that one late vote (unless thread search is letting me down). His town read list didn't contain anyone who has flipped scum, which is interesting considered that it was quite a long list (845).
CrimsonFist
Member
Damn, ninja'd
CrimsonFist
Member
Mick is on 4, 5 with my vote. Majority is 7 I think.
Vote: MickD
Vote: MickD
MagnumBoy20xx
Neo Member
Was 6 majority?
The people of Yharnam seized MickD and dragged him through the streets, until he stood in a room with an old, grizzled man in a wheelchair, quietly eating a meager supper.
Hes a beast! Some shouted.
Hes an alien! Others shouted.
What an alien? Someone asked.
He came from the sky. Another replied.
What, like a bird? The first asked.
No, like a demon. The other responded.
Demons come from Hell. Thats down below.
But what if hes a flying demon?
Gehrman rolled his eyes. There was a flash of metal, and movement too quick to be clearly seen, and MickDs head rolled from his shoulders.
MickDs body fell to the ground. The people held their breath.
Nothing happened.
MickD, an ordinary citizen of Yharnam, has died.
You interrupted my dinner. Gehrman said with a gleam in his eye.
The remaining townsfolk quickly found somewhere else to be.
Day 6 has ended.
The hunt will resume in:
Please note: The time of the new day may be subject to change per instructions from ScraftyDevil.
Hes a beast! Some shouted.
Hes an alien! Others shouted.
What an alien? Someone asked.
He came from the sky. Another replied.
What, like a bird? The first asked.
No, like a demon. The other responded.
Demons come from Hell. Thats down below.
But what if hes a flying demon?
Gehrman rolled his eyes. There was a flash of metal, and movement too quick to be clearly seen, and MickDs head rolled from his shoulders.
MickDs body fell to the ground. The people held their breath.
Nothing happened.
MickD, an ordinary citizen of Yharnam, has died.
You interrupted my dinner. Gehrman said with a gleam in his eye.
The remaining townsfolk quickly found somewhere else to be.
Day 6 has ended.
The hunt will resume in:
Please note: The time of the new day may be subject to change per instructions from ScraftyDevil.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Two more innocents have been senselessly slain in the race to determine Yharnam's future.
Tonight's victims may not have been extraordinary, but their deaths continue to pave the road to ruin. How many more will have to perish before this bloody conflict reaches its ultimate conclusion?
Kalor and Magnumboy20xx, both Ordinary Yharnamites, have been slaughtered.
Day 7 begins.
The Blood Moon rises in:
Tonight's victims may not have been extraordinary, but their deaths continue to pave the road to ruin. How many more will have to perish before this bloody conflict reaches its ultimate conclusion?
Kalor and Magnumboy20xx, both Ordinary Yharnamites, have been slaughtered.
Day 7 begins.
The Blood Moon rises in:
Freakinchair
Member
Something is wrong - I don't think we can trust the ordinary yharmanite player text. There is absolutely no way both of them were just regular town.
CrimsonFist
Member
Why is the doctor still alive?
Freak, I assume you shot Magnum, right?
Freak, I assume you shot Magnum, right?
Spoiled Milk
Banned
Current list isn't updated so here are all the remaining players:
01 [m] II-Vanguard-II - New
06 [m] Camjo-Z
08 [m] Freakinchair
14 [m] Flame_AC
15 [m] CrimsonFist
21 [m] roytheone
22 [m] squidyj
23 [m] Zippedpinhead
May the blood be in your favor!
01 [m] II-Vanguard-II - New
06 [m] Camjo-Z
08 [m] Freakinchair
14 [m] Flame_AC
15 [m] CrimsonFist
21 [m] roytheone
22 [m] squidyj
23 [m] Zippedpinhead
May the blood be in your favor!
I see three possibilities.
A) they keep him alive in the hope we get suspicious and lynch him.
B) they are getting nervous about Mensis and are hunting for them. They don't think chair or vanguard is Mensis and since vanguard will be on chair he is not a risk for now.
C) vanguard is lying.
CrimsonFist
Member
CrimsonFist
Member
We've had 7 vanilla town flips, which isn't that many for a game this size, so unless you have other evidence supporting this:
I'm not sure why you'd think that.
I'm not sure why you'd think that.
CrimsonFist
Member
If Vanguard is lying, scum would a) have to have been aware that Johnny was not a town doctor, and b) that town doesn't have another doctor who would counter claim him.
Their strongman was one shot, is that enough of a counter for effectively 2 doctors?
And I guess Van would obviously have been on Freak last night, so Kalor would have been safe to kill, but I don't see why they'd want to go after Mensis when town can do that for them.
Their strongman was one shot, is that enough of a counter for effectively 2 doctors?
And I guess Van would obviously have been on Freak last night, so Kalor would have been safe to kill, but I don't see why they'd want to go after Mensis when town can do that for them.
Just thought about a potential D)
They are hunting for the town role blocker. If he indeed exsist, he is the biggest danger for scum right now, more then a doc that is on a vig going to shoot magnum. Not only can a town rb out scum by blocking them, people he blocked on the last two nights that still had a nk could be incredible information if we assume only one church left.
They are hunting for the town role blocker. If he indeed exsist, he is the biggest danger for scum right now, more then a doc that is on a vig going to shoot magnum. Not only can a town rb out scum by blocking them, people he blocked on the last two nights that still had a nk could be incredible information if we assume only one church left.
Zippedpinhead
Member
Trying to out the town role blocker... Interesting theory
We have to assume that kristoffer's other target is out there. That's one scum (I can't imagine any theory where he has three targets that doesn't include 1 player from each "team)
So that's 1 scum. We didn't get a confirmation that an entire team of scum was dead. So that's possible...
What if our vigilante is really a public scum team person? Putting all the kills in for his team?
We have to assume that kristoffer's other target is out there. That's one scum (I can't imagine any theory where he has three targets that doesn't include 1 player from each "team)
So that's 1 scum. We didn't get a confirmation that an entire team of scum was dead. So that's possible...
What if our vigilante is really a public scum team person? Putting all the kills in for his team?
Freakinchair
Member
Based on my analysis I was so sure that one or both were scum based on previous posts and voting history. The way MickD worded his last posts also made it seem like he needed to steer us in a certain direction... him turning out to be vanilla town was just weird to me. No evidence to support that we're being intentionally misinformed on roles and now that I look at the numbers the split makes sense.
This puts us at:
7 Regular Town
4 Special Town
1 Regular Healing Church
2 Special Healing Church
2 Mensis
8 Unknown (Likely split is 1 Healing Church - 2 Mensis - 5 Town)
If we know that Vanguard and I are town that means only 3 other people are town in this group. That is pretty scary. And yes I killed Magnum.
So is maf hoping that the PRs just up and die of their own accord or what? At least last night's kills were generic townies.
"Hey! Leave me alone!"
This seems most likely IMO. It would literally be a lucky guess for maf to know we don't have a doc and counterclaim johnny, especially since Vanguard would have to be one of (if not the)the last remaining maf when he did so.
Nah, roy was right yesterday. The wording of the PM pretty much guarantees that there's a town killing role. It wouldn't make much sense for a scum role to kill Kris and then get punished for it.
Anyway, I had another great idea! So, after seeing Magnum wasn't Mensis, I was thinking... we know Mazre was dead way too early to do much of anything, and we know johnny was out using his roleblocking powers on valuable targets, not on the people in the gossip chat. So how are they getting converted? Easy: the gossip isn't a town role. It's Mensis. Get invited to the chat, you start accruing points. This explains why nobody else is getting converted.
This seems most likely IMO. It would literally be a lucky guess for maf to know we don't have a doc and counterclaim johnny, especially since Vanguard would have to be one of (if not the)the last remaining maf when he did so.
Nah, roy was right yesterday. The wording of the PM pretty much guarantees that there's a town killing role. It wouldn't make much sense for a scum role to kill Kris and then get punished for it.
Anyway, I had another great idea! So, after seeing Magnum wasn't Mensis, I was thinking... we know Mazre was dead way too early to do much of anything, and we know johnny was out using his roleblocking powers on valuable targets, not on the people in the gossip chat. So how are they getting converted? Easy: the gossip isn't a town role. It's Mensis. Get invited to the chat, you start accruing points. This explains why nobody else is getting converted.
Freakinchair
Member
Unless you think scum get double kills every night (definitely not true) this theory is impossible. Someone would have outed me if I was the one claiming all of the vigilante kills and they know I wasn't. My voting history speaks for itself. I don't know what you're trying to do here but you're the last person remaining on my list for most likely scum. Before I make any votes though I want to hear who you think is scum.
So is maf hoping that the PRs just up and die of their own accord or what? At least last night's kills were generic townies.
"Hey! Leave me alone!"
This seems most likely IMO. It would literally be a lucky guess for maf to know we don't have a doc and counterclaim johnny, especially since Vanguard would have to be one of (if not the)the last remaining maf when he did so.
Nah, roy was right yesterday. The wording of the PM pretty much guarantees that there's a town killing role. It wouldn't make much sense for a scum role to kill Kris and then get punished for it.
Anyway, I had another great idea! So, after seeing Magnum wasn't Mensis, I was thinking... we know Mazre was dead way too early to do much of anything, and we know johnny was out using his roleblocking powers on valuable targets, not on the people in the gossip chat. So how are they getting converted? Easy: the gossip isn't a town role. It's Mensis. Get invited to the chat, you start accruing points. This explains why nobody else is getting converted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06A5zpyJG9c
I really like this theory, it'd be both a positive and negative for all involved. Mensis moves to win condition, though other people get to communicate and strategize.
I'm not sure where our last scum is hiding, Freakinchair, at some point you might have to stop killing so that way our numbers don't crater.
Zippedpinhead
Member
Honestly? I know you aren't scum. I wanted to see if I could bait my two most likelies.
One is flame_AC, I thought his predecessor was scum, and while I briefly took a turn at Johnny I think I'm still right about that one. I shouldn't have band wagoner yesterday, but I knew I was busy and wanted to get a vote in. I should have just voted for flame...
Vanguard, Roy, and squidyj are all not scum. Crimsonfist less for sure on.
Biggest blind spot is with camjo. I'm not sold on him being scum, but he is the odd man out on who I think is scum or not.
So first would be flame (sorry but you are scum of some kind).
Second camjo (because I am less sure of your town-ness)
The remaining players from least town sure to most town sure: crimsonfist, Roy, followed by squidyj and finally you and vanguard as practically guaranteed town).