You have to beat the Blood Starved Beast and they will make their appearance. There's one of them just outside the Cathedral Ward. Go straight ahead from the lamp spawn then turn right and he's there. He has to kill you so the cutscene will trigger.
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You have to beat the Blood Starved Beast and they will make their appearance. There's one of them just outside the Cathedral Ward. Go straight ahead from the lamp spawn then turn right and he's there. He has to kill you so the cutscene will trigger.
indigo-cyclops
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I'm just coming back to this after getting to NG+ a bit after the game dropped. Trying to play through the DLC and I am just getting smoked by Ludwig. This guy is fucking relentless. Then I realized, I probably don't have the stats to wield the Moonlight Sword which is a huge bummer ( I assume is relies heavily on Arcane). I'm around level 127 so I definitely don't think I'm underleveled.
Good god the DLC is hard. I'm fighting hunters like they're fucking boss fights, because that's how much health they have and how much damage they do.
Definitely feeling underdeveloped now. And the blade of mercy is starting to feel really good because it's such a good dueling weapon.
Definitely feeling underdeveloped now. And the blade of mercy is starting to feel really good because it's such a good dueling weapon.
Orochinagis
Member
MS can be used as a Str but its transformed form uses Arcane and lots of bullets
Bought the DLC on Thursday. Was too lazy to change discs (I was tired lol), so I never played it. Was busy Friday and most of today. But I popped the disc back in tonight.
I really kind of hate NG+'s scaling. Enemies take a lot to kill, and while yeah, it means actual challenge, it annoys me. Maybe I just had a bad build, I don't know. Nonetheless, I started up a new file entirely so as to experience the DLC (and something like four or five bosses I missed in my first run) without any of said annoyance.
Quit playing at one hour and forty-six minutes in; I'm Level 22, have defeated Cleric and Gascoigne, and have covered all of Central Yharnam available to me at this point in the game. In my first playthrough, I didn't even make it through the plaza until two hours in hahah!
It's amazing how much I know the whole area. It's like the back of my hand. Realized I needed better armor while checking what was in the shop early on, but rather than buying, I just remembered, "Hey, there's that free set by the guy with the Spear, I'll just go grab that." Three minutes and many dead rats (+spear guy) later, I had my armor. I love it. It's just a game, but that I know exactly where to go is just great. Very satisfying.
Got the free Saw Spear from the mummy thing you have to cut a chain to get. I freaking LOVE this thing! Never used it in my first playthrough as that was my Hammer time. It's so so so fast, yet powerful. It's a bit early to call it into the favorites, but... This is in my Top Three, just below the Tin.... Tin something. The Lightning Ball.
Afraid to get to Vicar Amelia for unlocking the DLC ahaha... The first time through she kicked my butt so many times. When I finally managed to kill her it was through a lucky (emphasize that lucky btw) parry that got me loads of damage. I was just R1 spamming, not sure how I got it. Was happy then, but now it's got me scared! My ego, my thinking I'm pretty good at this game now, I just know she's gonna try her hardest to crush it. @-@
I really kind of hate NG+'s scaling. Enemies take a lot to kill, and while yeah, it means actual challenge, it annoys me. Maybe I just had a bad build, I don't know. Nonetheless, I started up a new file entirely so as to experience the DLC (and something like four or five bosses I missed in my first run) without any of said annoyance.
Quit playing at one hour and forty-six minutes in; I'm Level 22, have defeated Cleric and Gascoigne, and have covered all of Central Yharnam available to me at this point in the game. In my first playthrough, I didn't even make it through the plaza until two hours in hahah!
It's amazing how much I know the whole area. It's like the back of my hand. Realized I needed better armor while checking what was in the shop early on, but rather than buying, I just remembered, "Hey, there's that free set by the guy with the Spear, I'll just go grab that." Three minutes and many dead rats (+spear guy) later, I had my armor. I love it. It's just a game, but that I know exactly where to go is just great. Very satisfying.
Got the free Saw Spear from the mummy thing you have to cut a chain to get. I freaking LOVE this thing! Never used it in my first playthrough as that was my Hammer time. It's so so so fast, yet powerful. It's a bit early to call it into the favorites, but... This is in my Top Three, just below the Tin.... Tin something. The Lightning Ball.
Afraid to get to Vicar Amelia for unlocking the DLC ahaha... The first time through she kicked my butt so many times. When I finally managed to kill her it was through a lucky (emphasize that lucky btw) parry that got me loads of damage. I was just R1 spamming, not sure how I got it. Was happy then, but now it's got me scared! My ego, my thinking I'm pretty good at this game now, I just know she's gonna try her hardest to crush it. @-@
Finished my pure Bloodtinge character's full game last night and man it felt great. For me, full game means all chalices and FRC unlock. It still amazes me that you can learn new stuff about the weapons with every build. Simon's Bowblade is amazing, and just destroys Amy/Ebrietas with headshots.
And then there's the chikage. I knew PVPers loved it way back when the game came out but I wasn't enthused because... I don't even know why any more. Last night, I had the Hunter of Hunters rune on while summoning co-op for funsies, and pulled in a couple hostiles... and proceeded to destroy them with form 2. Everything just melts without even the charge move, and I was worried about the health drain at first, but it's really not that bad once you start rolling with it. How did I not realize it was so good before this?!
Is Fextralife still the place to go for interesting chalice glyphs? It's been a while since I paid attention.
And then there's the chikage. I knew PVPers loved it way back when the game came out but I wasn't enthused because... I don't even know why any more. Last night, I had the Hunter of Hunters rune on while summoning co-op for funsies, and pulled in a couple hostiles... and proceeded to destroy them with form 2. Everything just melts without even the charge move, and I was worried about the health drain at first, but it's really not that bad once you start rolling with it. How did I not realize it was so good before this?!
Is Fextralife still the place to go for interesting chalice glyphs? It's been a while since I paid attention.
Strangelove77
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So i need some tips on items. I'm the type to hoard and not use items unless it's an emergency.
So what items should I use without worrying too much?
I use pebbles, molotovs, antidotes, coldblood and knives. I don't use anything else. I've never used madmans knowledge(I'm not even sure what insight is), oil urn, neither fire nor bolt paper, bone marrow ash, and pretty much everything else.
I'm currently at Byrgenwerth fighting that stupid hunter. I have more trouble with these guys than the huge monster bosses.
So what items should I use without worrying too much?
I use pebbles, molotovs, antidotes, coldblood and knives. I don't use anything else. I've never used madmans knowledge(I'm not even sure what insight is), oil urn, neither fire nor bolt paper, bone marrow ash, and pretty much everything else.
I'm currently at Byrgenwerth fighting that stupid hunter. I have more trouble with these guys than the huge monster bosses.
That hunter was hard for me too. Kept one shotting me with augur whenever I was close to finishing her.
I think everything you listed is purchasable (if not with blood echoes then with insight).
Marty-esque
Member
Living Failures was a pain on NG7. Too k me like 20 minutes.
indigo-cyclops
Member
Okay that's encouraging at least. If I ever beat this fool! What a bad-ass looking sword.
I think one thing I'm going to need to do is farm some higher tier gems. I really don't want to but I only have a few decent tempering ones. I'm just not a fan of the chalice dungeons for the most part.
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Strangelove77
Member
For the love of God someone tell me how to beat Rom. I can only get to the second phase.
Kill all the spiders first, every time, and be very very patient. Also bolt paper if you've got it.
In it's last phase, the one where Rom unleashes these insane magic attacks, circle right around, take your time, and attack in between the attacks.
Patience is key here.
If you have an arcane focused char, bolt, and stay in his face.
Diseased Yak
Gold Member
I just beat Father Gascoigne for the first time! I'm SO PUMPED!
If you summon the NPC for help this boss is a cakewalk. Kill the small spiders first.
I remember when I fought it the NPC somehow interrupted its 3rd phase transformation. I killed it before it got to 3rd phase, not sure if it was a glitch.
Hit and runs on momma Rom. Think of the fight as a damage output check.
Marty-esque
Member
Try dodging left twice as soon he steadies himself for the charge.
Strangelove77
Member
Yeah, I can't do this. That ice attack at phase 2 gets me half the time and when I get to phase 3 he always ends up flipping over on me and killing me.
And summoning another hunter doesn't work very well when the AI is just as bad as I am at dodging the ice attack.
And summoning another hunter doesn't work very well when the AI is just as bad as I am at dodging the ice attack.
Thanks. I got that part down now. Seeing the next phase more often now, and usually with around 5 vials or less used by then.
Oh got that next phase is so cool, but so very painful.
Somehow found myself using the BoM for this again, mainly because of the speed.
Orochinagis
Member
On Second Phase you just have to bait her to use her long range attack by being away from her, kill the spiders then go away , repeat till you killed every spider and stay away for the long range attack, go close and hit her enough to see her close attack and run away do it two more times and will start third phase which is the same as the second but the casting is faster now.
Use bolt paper to do insane damage on phase 1 , remember heavy attacks can cancel her teleport animation giving you extra time to land more hits and just nuke her on phase 2
Cleric Beast, Father Gascoigne, Vicar Amelia, Henryk (putting him here since I missed him in my first go), Blood Starved Beast, and Darkbeast Paarl have all gone down now! Tried the DLC and was taking the hunters out under the assumption that they don't respawn, using more consumables in the process than any bosses have taken... I'll hit that portion of the game later on. Why are those guys normal enemies. =|
Vicar went down at level 30.
I was level 50 the first time I beat her, and it was a huge triumph.
This time it was just a fast, easy fight. Think it went for maybe two minutes? It's nuts, because I don't know what I did differently. Think my weapon wasn't Level 4 in my first run through as it was here, but one level doesn't make that big a difference, I wouldn't think.
Rom actually killed me after I killed her. Can't remember how, but I do remember searching for my Echo pool in the boss chamber. Thankfully the Prey Slaughtered text did come up beforehand, so I didn't need to re-fight.
Bolt Paper was a total life-saver. My attacks needed the extra oomph, otherwise I'd have run out of supplies.
Vicar went down at level 30.
I was level 50 the first time I beat her, and it was a huge triumph.
This time it was just a fast, easy fight. Think it went for maybe two minutes? It's nuts, because I don't know what I did differently. Think my weapon wasn't Level 4 in my first run through as it was here, but one level doesn't make that big a difference, I wouldn't think.
Rom actually killed me after I killed her. Can't remember how, but I do remember searching for my Echo pool in the boss chamber. Thankfully the Prey Slaughtered text did come up beforehand, so I didn't need to re-fight.
Bolt Paper was a total life-saver. My attacks needed the extra oomph, otherwise I'd have run out of supplies.
Ludwig second phase is harder than the first imo. Once you get the hang of it, his first phase is not that hard. The second one though looks easier at first because he's slower and doesn't jump all around like a crazed horse, but it forces you to keep a consistently flawless dodge timing throughout. In that sense it's very similar to Laurence (the hardest bossfight in the game for me), you can't just dodge randomly or you'll get punished even with an instant dead. You can't even spam O to get back up and dodge away or you'll eat his sword.
It also has actually less downtime than the first phase, it's much harder to take a break and heal. He just doesn't stop attacking. His charged attack is his worst one even though it might seem his best because he can oneshot you. You just have to get behind him while he starts charging, then dodge after you're knocked back and you'll have a lot of free damage once he drops it.
His first phase was very hard for me at first, but I think I kinda get it now. I can usually get to around 60% without using a vial until I start fucking up and getting greedy. The trip from 60% to 50% feels like it takes longer than 100% to 60% lol.
So far, I find the second harder to fight, but possibly easier to learn because he
actually fights like a human and not a beast
When you say charge attack, do you mean the thing where he pretty much does a super strong version of the beam from Skyward Sword, or the small aoe where he drives his sword into the ground?
By the way, I really appreciate From putting that random guy outside the boss room who drops 5 vials. I would have run out of vials doing boss attempts a long time ago if not for that guy, though I still feel a little conflicted about killing him.
The first. It can't hit you from behind so it's the best moment to attack him repeteadly. If you're not able to get behind him though, good luck. What you're doing (one, two attacks tops) is the best strategy imo, so keep doing that. You'll get to a point where the first phase only gets like 7-10 vials or less out of your stack.
Orochinagis
Member
He does the AoE to charge his sword, if you see his sword glowing then he is gonna do the laser one after using that attack the sword stops glowing so he have to charge it again with the AoE.
You can interrupt his charging animation but is pretty hard and dangerous and requires like all your stamina
Strangelove77
Member
Finally beat Rom.
Now I have no idea where to go.
Also, I've been wearing this yahargul black set for a really long time and nothing I've found has been better. Where can I find something better to wear?
I unlocked the crow set, but it has less defense than what I have.
Now I have no idea where to go.
Also, I've been wearing this yahargul black set for a really long time and nothing I've found has been better. Where can I find something better to wear?
I unlocked the crow set, but it has less defense than what I have.
Orochinagis
Member
Yahargul set is the best for phys defense but lacks elemental defense , certain bosses like rom does arcane damage mostly so you can switch sets according to your playstyle, Crow set for example have decent phys and blood defense and moderate defense to other phys damage plus elemental damage which the yahargul set doesnt have.
I personally use the the Chorus set for arcane defense and the DLC Harrowed armor set for a moderate defense on everything plus phys defense.
I am prettu sure after beating rom you will get teleported to the next area, you can also unlock a nightmare area on the same room you get teleported if you have a certain item (and an unique dialogue from a NPC) you can get by knocking random doors after beating Amelia.
BoM are amazing, for even faster hit and retreat combat style and quick burst of damage. BoM lacks noticeable heavy attack but compensates that with fast pokes and obligatory use of the side attacks and counter attacks to always stun enemies and sometimes even bosses.
The weapon requires a lot of Skill stat (S scale on skill) and good time of training and patience to make it work because you have to stay pretty close to the enemies and a single mistake like wasting all your stamina on pokes can kill you
Strangelove77
Member
Just found out where I needed to go. I also bought the crow set and the blades of mercy. How are they? I love dual daggers in pretty much any game.
I'm using the blades of mercy right now. They're my fast, close range weapon while I use the cane for medium to long range.
I really love how the BoM looks and feels, but I never made it really work until I hit the DLC.
But after spending time with them, I really like how they are extremely fast and have surprisingly good range and hitboxes. Your character steps forward during the dodge R1 animation, so you can do quick punishes pretty easily. Transformed R2 hits on both sides of you, so that's a good option too. Transformed L2 is a backstep slash, which is good for getting damage while getting away. If you can stagger an opponent, transformed R1 spam can build up to very high DPS if you have enough time to do it.
People say that the untransformed version is useless, but I disagree. It's a very fast short sword when untransformed, which retains its dodge > R1 usefulness, plus it has a fast charged R2, which means you can stagger and backstab some slower attacks if you position yourself right.
The main weaknesses are in its range IMO. Damage-wise it doesn't do that much damage per hit, but the speed lets you sneak in hits more often to make up for it.
I also think it has some of the best animations in the game because the magnetic transform and untransform animations look so damn cool.
Strangelove77
Member
Do the chalice dungeons contain any exclusive weapons or armor?
I'm already around level 80. Are they worth doing?
I'm already around level 80. Are they worth doing?
After playing DS3 with a strength build (using the Greatsword and later on the Profaned Greatsword) and using a magic build on Demon's Souls, I don't think I'm ever going to stray from a Dex/Skill build again. Large weapons are just too damn slow and not even worth their power, while magic is just boooooooooring.
And I don't think the other Souls games weapons are ever going to be as just plain fun as bloodborne's arsenal. Transforming weapons is just.....well brilliant. It gives you unprecedented versatility. It's just so much better that even when I play DS1 and 2 and use dex builds, I don't think I'm going to enjoy them nearly as much as I'd enjoy a playthrough with an equivalent weapon in BB.
As a creative weapons enthusiast, Bloodborne delighted me like few other games.
LOL I know exactly how you feel. I nearly gave up on the game because of that damn boss.
There is one exclusive weapon (beast claw), exclusive normal enemies and exclusive bosses. The best blood gems in the game are only lootable in chalice dungeons, and you can also farm blood stone chunks from bosses and plenty of insight.
In my opinion they're very worth doing because I love the game and the concept of randomly generated dungeons in a Souls game is super attractive to me. Most people don't like them though. I'd say go for it if you're enjoying the game, at least complete the ones that are hand made by From (the non-root dungeons, root are random).
You'll miss part of the experience if not, and if you don't complete the easy ones now, it'll be boring to snooze through them later to get to the difficult ones with the good loot.
Strangelove77
Member
Same. I almost dropped the game because of it. I hope that's the last boss that is that frustrating.
Strangelove77
Member
I need to go try some Chalice dungeons too. I ignore them for the most part because it's pretty much Bloodborne with shitty level design (which is WAY more boring than it sounds), but I'm really hurting for good gems.
I like how the burial blade's moveset seems so varied, but it seems oddly short ranged for such an odd weapon. Am I just using it wrong?
I like skill weapons too, and was stoked when I got the burial blade, but I can't seem to make it work well. As far as I can tell, the cane has the burial blade beat in both speed and range.
I like how the burial blade's moveset seems so varied, but it seems oddly short ranged for such an odd weapon. Am I just using it wrong?
Diseased Yak
Gold Member
I've mown down quite a few bosses on my first ever try, but died 4 times to Rom before killing it (with zero blood vials left even!), so that was fun. On a lark I bought Ludwig's Holy Blade and am LOVING it; I now have it upgraded to +8.
I hit a major stumbling block, however: the hunter Crow dude you fight in the Grand Cathedral, for that Eileen lady. Holy fucking hell, easily the hardest thing I've fought! I tried for an hour to kill him last night before finally giving up and moving on in the game, I'm in the Yahargal town with the corpse wagon things and bell-ringing women now.
I'm hoping I can go back and try him again later when I'm leveled up some, but if he despawns I'll just save that for another playthrough I guess.
I hit a major stumbling block, however: the hunter Crow dude you fight in the Grand Cathedral, for that Eileen lady. Holy fucking hell, easily the hardest thing I've fought! I tried for an hour to kill him last night before finally giving up and moving on in the game, I'm in the Yahargal town with the corpse wagon things and bell-ringing women now.
I'm hoping I can go back and try him again later when I'm leveled up some, but if he despawns I'll just save that for another playthrough I guess.
Always keep an eye on Rom at all times so that you can tell what she's about to cast.
Ice rain thing = you can either dash in a diagonal left to avoid it or time your rolls to the three ice things landing.
Point blank AoE burst = get away.
Rolls on back = Crystals from the floor = get away.
Rom is an exercise in patience (and tedium?). Kill the spiders one by one and then go after her. Repeat.
I hear that guy is one of the hardest enemies in the game. I never fougth him myself because I screwed up my Eileen questline
Hoping to see him either in NG+ or on a separate playthrough.
B_Spooky13
Member
So picked this up with the PSN sale.. First time playing any of the games. This game is very oddly satisfying.
Like I have even beat any boss yet.. Getting crushed and replaying and getting better. I'll get frustrated and walk away but want to keep playing to get that extra progression in the game.
Basically I've cleared most of central.. When i get home I'm going to be going for the bosses.
Any tips in general for the game?
Like I have even beat any boss yet.. Getting crushed and replaying and getting better. I'll get frustrated and walk away but want to keep playing to get that extra progression in the game.
Basically I've cleared most of central.. When i get home I'm going to be going for the bosses.
Any tips in general for the game?
You're doing it right. Be patient, try not to get frustrated at the deaths, and just try to learn from your experiences. Don't get greedy and try to go for fast kills, even if you are winning. Fights can go south for you very, very quickly in this game.
All weapons are viable. Pick one that you like and learn it well, but don't be afraid to experiment with other ones.
Pressing the dodge button while you're knocked down makes you get up and roll away. It's faster than just waiting to get up.
Weapons that transform into a two-handed form (which means you can't use your gun or left-hand weapon) have an extra move if you press L2.
Besides the normal R1/R2 attacks, all weapons have different attack animations after a roll, after a dodge step when locked on, after a back step, and when running. They also have transform attacks if you do dodge > L1. Some weapons can swap pretty seamlessly from one form to the other.
Your gun is primarily a defensive tool rather than an offensive one. Shooting most smaller enemies immediately before their attack lands can stagger them, leaving them vulnerable to a very strong attack called a visceral attack. You'll hear a very distinct and deep "boooom" sound if you do it right. If this happens, get in front of them and press R1 to land a visceral attack. You'll know it when you see it.
You can backstab some enemies with a charged (held down) R2 attack, if you position it right. This is usually hard to do, as the enemy has to either be very slow or if you snuck up on them. But if you land it, you get the same "boom" sound and your enemy will collapse. If this happens, rress R1 from behind them to land a visceral.
The pistol has a faster recovery after the shot, which means if you get a stagger with it, you can dash forward and land a visceral, or you can sometimes dodge away if you miss. The shotgun doesn't have the recovery time for this, but the spread means that it has a better chance of at least making the target flinch even if you don't quite land the stagger.
If you get hit, you should pretty much never try to mash R1 to try to get a hit in, even if your enemy is one hit from death. Chances are, your opponent will hit you out of your windup and kill you eventually if you try to mash your way out.
Nuno Pinto
Member
I think the obvious one is that you should always level up vitality first if you want to make the game easier. Blood vials scale with that stat, so the more you have, the more you can heal.
Explore the zones thoroughly, you can find a lot of good gear and "shards" to make your weapons stronger. You can find one of the best attires in the game even before the first boss.
You don't need to fight every single enemy, if you don't like the situation, just run until you find the next lamp. You can then spend your blood echoes and later explore whatever zone you miss.