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Bloodborne |OT++++| Now with Trusty Patches
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Browsers auto resize images to fit the post anyway. I am pretty sure the quoting images idea was something that was used before the forum would auto resize images.
I suppose I just don't get why it's such a big deal?
Srey Plaughtered
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Finally done with Witcher 3, really great game. It might give Bloodborne a good chase for GOTY. Now I can get back to my NG+ run.
Oh I know. I followed one of ENB's videos where he said the Gargoyles are good for chunks. Got just one chunk in 3 hours. Can't complain though, anytime spent in Cainhurst is time well spent. Got to co op a lot against Logarius too.
Yeah you do get a lot of chunks in one playthrough, enough to +9 three weapons if you farm only two more chunks. I spent all my chunks into random weapons and by the time I got the Burial blade, I had to end up farming a bit. It sucked but got the hang of the burial blade through it.
I had the same set on for the longest time. Knight's set is really good for fashionborne.
Oh I know. I followed one of ENB's videos where he said the Gargoyles are good for chunks. Got just one chunk in 3 hours. Can't complain though, anytime spent in Cainhurst is time well spent. Got to co op a lot against Logarius too.
Yeah you do get a lot of chunks in one playthrough, enough to +9 three weapons if you farm only two more chunks. I spent all my chunks into random weapons and by the time I got the Burial blade, I had to end up farming a bit. It sucked but got the hang of the burial blade through it.
I had the same set on for the longest time. Knight's set is really good for fashionborne.
KanameYuuki
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Anyone free to help me with the defile dungeons?
Awful for crowds? I guess what makes it the best for me is that it does indeed require a lot of skill to make it excel, the running R2 to the side is a move that is GOdly and I bet most have never even tried it, its hard ot pull off but my female characters look like friggin ballerinas as they kill. It allows you to dance in between mobs in a crowd and come out the victor despite poor odds. Simply mowing things down with ludwig's is not as challenging. I get what you are saying, its a weak weapon for huge bosses, but more rewarding to do it with a less powerful , but more elegant wapon.... So to summarize why I think the BOM is so great, the moveset is unique and varied , it requires skill for sure, but just like all things souls, the reward is greater with stuff that requires the most skill to push it to its max usefulness.
Srey Plaughtered
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Blades of Mercy is very effective against huge bosses actually imo. You end up looking for openings more than just whacking with a long range weapon but when you do land a hit, the high DPS makes up for it. And if you can dodge well, the beast blood pellets make it even more viable. It pretty much trivializes the main game bosses, except for Amy G but there are ways to deal with her too.
KanameYuuki
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The fight with the defiled watchdog is seriously frustrating, last time I got him to 25~30% and one dumb mistake means insta death, I know what to do and etc but I just can't kill him, I hope the complaining gods listen to me and allow me to beat him after this post.
Edit: And as always, doing a post complaining about a boss works like a charm, finally killed him and now the road to the hardest boss starts.
Edit: And as always, doing a post complaining about a boss works like a charm, finally killed him and now the road to the hardest boss starts.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Im just so happy that I was able to skip the defiled chalice when working my way to queen yharnam
Srey Plaughtered
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Lol, I wish it were real.
Congratulations. Amy G is comparatively easier than watch_doge. And after that it's pretty much a walk in the park.
Amy is way, way easier than Watchdog. Killed it without getting hit at all on my second go whereas Watchdog took me a good hour or so.
Pthumerian Descendant in Ihyll was the hardest boss for me.
I disagree, Descendant in Ihyll is way harder than the Defiled bosses imo. And I reckon the Bloodletting Beast there could give people a run for their money depending on their play style too. Yharnam is easy but the rest of Ihyll isn't really a walk in the park.Lol, I wish it were real.
Congratulations. Amy G is comparatively easier than watch_doge. And after that it's pretty much a walk in the park.
Morrigan Stark
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I think that's just plain bullshit. Watchdog's pattern is way more predictable and his charge move (which is fairly easy to avoid) doesn't even OHKO at full health (50 vit). Amy has tons more health and her last phase is just spastic nonsense, and when she decides to jump (which she spams constantly near the end when you don't have a convenient bloodtinge build to cheese-finish her with), you can get fucked over instantly.
I solo'd both and I don't remember which one took more tries, but on my second character when cooping with a friend, I got Watchdog second try (first try was just a derpy moment where I died almost instantly), and Amy took like 12+ tries.
Nothing is "bullshit". People have different experiences with different bosses in this game. I solo'd both too, posted the video for Amy on the post above. That was my second attempt at it and I killed it without being hit once. I just found its patterns easy to predict and attacks easy to avoid. Watchdog was harder for me. I don't know what number attempt this was but it took a long time and I still get hit since his moves are less easy to predict and easy to read wrong imo.
Co-op I imagine would make Watchdog easier as his attacks would be focused more on one player at a time. I can't see it helping with Amy though as its attacks are for more wide and likely to hit both players at any given time.
Not bullshit, just my experience with the bosses.
Relaxed Muscle
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Amy is easy to cheese, but if you wanna win fair and clean, is very hard.
Watchdog is easier if you aim to the head, and wait for the end of the combo, stepping in and trying to hit his legs is definetly harder.
I'd say one of the worst is Phu. Descendant. Specially when he goes Infinite Stamina Mode.
Watchdog is easier if you aim to the head, and wait for the end of the combo, stepping in and trying to hit his legs is definetly harder.
I'd say one of the worst is Phu. Descendant. Specially when he goes Infinite Stamina Mode.
I did not cheese Amy in that video.
Morrigan Stark
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The ending part was kinda cheesed, you just spammed bullets which made you safely avoid her OHKO spamming. You can't do that without a build without high gun damage (e.g. non-bloodtinge build).
Relaxed Muscle
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Not saying you did, but you have an Evelyn, last phase without a range weapon like that is crazy.
I constantly managed to get him until that last phase, but I got killed so many times, trying to get close to hit the head is really, really hard.
So now using your build to your advantage is cheesing? GTFO with that.
Morrigan Stark
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Hence the "kinda". There's nothing wrong with using a build to your advantage and I didn't say there was, but it's definitely why your experience is not representative of the boss's general difficulty.
Darklurker was piss easy when you spammed super strong pyromancies at it. With melee, he's ridiculously tough. Strong pyromancies wouldn't help with an easier boss like, say, Lost Sinner. But if I said Darklurker is an easier boss than Lost Sinner, I'd still be wrong.
Same with Firestorm in Demon's Souls. It can OHKO the Maneaters with the proper gear loadout. Firestorm won't help against Garl Vinland. Is Maneaters easier than Garl? No.
There's cheesing and there's cheesing. Exploiting an AI weakness like the chikage HP drain on that Cathedral hunter is the lame kind of cheesing, something I would never do. Spamming my build's strongest spell to annihilate a tough boss? That's also cheesing, but the fair and legit kind.
Yup, the last phase is crazy without ranged support, the risk of getting OHKO is astonishingly high.
KanameYuuki
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So far it seems easier to bait and punish Amygdala but his aoe are serous business I'm getting caught always after he jumps and then he attacks, the jump itself does nothing but I can't get out.
I thought he was the hardest boss since everyone just talks about him everywhere, so it seems the final dungeon will also be a challenge, I want that platinum so badly but to be honest I'm not really sure I'll get it haha.
I'll call it a day so I can feel fresh on my next try.
I thought he was the hardest boss since everyone just talks about him everywhere, so it seems the final dungeon will also be a challenge, I want that platinum so badly but to be honest I'm not really sure I'll get it haha.
I'll call it a day so I can feel fresh on my next try.
Srey Plaughtered
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Descendant was really annoying I agree, still having full HP made it a lot more tolerable.
I cheesed him with the Pillar though so I guess my opinion about the Descendant can be taken as moot.
I found Amy to be a lot easier. Just whacked at her arms and ran. The only annoying parts were her jumps. Died a lot to her jumps and I mean a loooot, but it was less infuriating than Watch Dog.
When I think cheesing, I think of stuff like the Chikage Hunter or getting Gascoigne caught on tombstones etc. essentially to me it means taking advantage of holes in the AI to trivialize an encounter with an enemy to the point that something difficult becomes too easy. I don't consider having a legitimate strategy that focuses on the strengths of your build to be cheesing, not even "kinda". The fight was still difficult - I still had to keep on my feet and make sure I was dodging every move. There were even several very close calls at the end since I had to stay fairly close range to reliably get hits from the Evelyn to connect (Someone else posted an Amy video the other day where none of their hits connected because they were too far away - you have to be within hitting range of Amy in order for shots to connect).
Perhaps the fight is more difficult if you don't have range but that just goes along with the fact that everyone is going to have a different experience with each boss depending on a multitude of factors.
Beast wasn't too bad for me. I already one shotted the earlier Blood Letting Beast so I knew his attacks and that I had to dodge in under his legs to avoid most of them. I struggled mostly with the camera and died my first try because it was so hard to control while locked on :/ second time I fought completely unlocked and it was worlds easier.
JadedWriter
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What in the legit serious fuck? How the fuck does this happen?
Root chalices can spawn bosses as regular enemies and one room after another in some cases apparently. I actually posted this video here a couple of days ago but I think you missed it haha (I'm pretty sure it was in a reply to you).
Uh how? Did you do this through co-op search in Hunter's Dream?
Defiled Amygdala is destroying me over and over again
Srey Plaughtered
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Yeah unlocked works a lot better with Blood letting beast, and I think with a lot other giant bosses as well. Being able to aim your attacks is a bliss. His snake phase was a pain for me though, got OHKO'd a lot.
The real Bloodborne starts here.
Uh how? Did you do this through co-op search in Hunter's Dream?
Defiled Amygdala is destroying me over and over again
You could skip all the dungeons and get to Ihyll through SRRC. Some really lucky people got summoned straight to layer 3 of Ihyll and got the Yharnam trophy. They patched it now though.
Yeah unlocked is definitely more manageable. The camera was all over the place whenever you got near his legs otherwise. Really hard to see what he's going to do next or even where you're swinging half the time!Yeah unlocked works a lot better with Blood letting beast, and I think with a lot other giant bosses as well. Being able to aim your attacks is a bliss. His snake phase was a pain for me though, got OHKO'd a lot.
The real Bloodborne starts here.
You could skip all the dungeons and get to Ihyll through SRRC. Some really lucky people got summoned straight to layer 3 of Ihyll and got the Yharnam trophy. They patched it now though.
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I'm glad I went through all the dungeons first, especially Defiled. It was a great sense of accomplishment, especially coming into this as my first From Soft game. Would've felt empty if I'd skipped it all just to get a trophy (I've never cared about trophies though anyway).
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I was counting on this. So I'm guessing now you need to have the chalice made and be on the same level at least to be summoned.
Welp back to being fucked by Amygdala I guess.
Heping people with Chalice Dungeons right now. I'm getting something like:
Defiled Amygdala: 60%
Defiled Watchdog: 30%
Everything else: 10%
It's frustrating because 9 times out of 10 the host dies lol.
In another note, I tested the co-op level re-adjust with a friend and it's pretty weird.
Stats don't go down when you're summoned with someone lower level than you but your HP and your attack power are heavily nerfed.
Example:
I am level 4 with a +3 Saw Cleaver and shitty gems. The summoned character is level 70 with +10 Kirkhammer. and high end game gems. I'm finding myself doing more damage than they do.
Defiled Amygdala: 60%
Defiled Watchdog: 30%
Everything else: 10%
It's frustrating because 9 times out of 10 the host dies lol.
In another note, I tested the co-op level re-adjust with a friend and it's pretty weird.
Stats don't go down when you're summoned with someone lower level than you but your HP and your attack power are heavily nerfed.
Example:
I am level 4 with a +3 Saw Cleaver and shitty gems. The summoned character is level 70 with +10 Kirkhammer. and high end game gems. I'm finding myself doing more damage than they do.
Srey Plaughtered
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And if you're really unlucky he'll just hop around while you're under his legs while locked on, spinning the camera around and disorienting you like you're high on Yharnam blood.
I still he could've been a good main story boss, somewhere in the woods, like replacing of Shadows maybe.Try cheesing her if you feel annoyed, and if nothing else you can always ring the beckoning bell and partake in communion.
JadedWriter
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I saw it, but I was quite busy with my girlfriend and finally watched it. I'm in a rotted Ailing Loran and they have the witches of hemwick in here as a random enemy and that's crazy enough for me. I can't imagine the watchdoge popping in here randomly.
I've been trying to cheese her but I always fuck it up. And my dungeon is set to closed so my friend and I can co-op easily but he gave up. Honestly I don't have much of an understanding regarding how the Chalice Dungeon co-op works in this game.And if you're really unlucky he'll just hop around while you're under his legs while locked on, spinning the camera around and disorienting you like you're high on Yharnam blood.
Try cheesing her if you feel annoyed, and if nothing else you can always ring the beckoning bell and partake in communion.
Morrigan Stark
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Hmm, that's weird. My friend had an opposite experience.
He is high level, and he was helping his low-level friend with Vicar Amelia. He's like level 100 and his friend was level 30 or so. They were invaded and according to my friend, the invader was about on the same level as he was, e.g. in the range of 100. His friend was doing almost no damage to the invader, but he himself was doing decent damage to him.
This was recent too, I'm pretty sure the level capping patch thing was active. So, if you summon a high level friend, you risk being invaded by a high level player?
Srey Plaughtered
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You can still co op with closed but with a password I think. Set a password and I can help you out if you want, though it's been a while since I fought Amy.
Rich Uncle Skeleton
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I find it mind-boggling that anyone could find Descendant or Bloodletting Beast anywhere near as hard as defiled Amygdala but then again I didn't use my gun, and didn't know how to manipulate her jump move, so getting in there to do some damage during the "using her own arms as clubs" phase was pretty maddening for me.
You haven't spoken to many people about bosses in this game? Because every person I've spoken to has different opinions or experiences about which bosses they found easy and which bosses they struggled with. There are so many factors that can affect it.
Descendant was extremely difficult for me, I don't know if that was solely because I refused to level up past 120 but in his second phase he could stun lock me into a combo and kill me instantly.
Btw I didn't find BLB harder than Defiled Amygdala, I said some people may find it difficult depending on their play style. I do think that at least for me, personally, Descendant was the hardest boss in the game. While no other boss besides the Watchdog took me more than 3 or 4 tries to kill, Descendant probably took me over a good 20 or so tries (Became much easier when I stopped trying to parry and just focused on dodging - after that it only took a couple of tries to nail it).
FlowersisBritish
fleurs n'est pas britannique
Just beat Yharnam queen first try. One of my favorite bosses. She's really cool, and I all the visual effects she has going on. I really wish she wasn't trapped behind all the Chalice dungeon stuff.
Rich Uncle Skeleton
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Of course people are going to have different experiences. Like I said, it probably just comes down to my character not being built around doing high gun damage. No need to get defensive; I'm not doubting your experience or anything, was just expressing my surprise. I barely even remember the two other bosses you mentioned, because for me they went down pretty easily, while defiled watchdog and Amygdala were by a wide margin the hardest bosses in the game. For what it's worth, I capped myself at 120 too.
Root dungeon or something.
it's not my video so I wouldn't know.
apparently it's a cursed dungeon so the player will most likely get one shooted lol.
JadedWriter
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Attack them with a quick combo string, if that doesn't kill them then roll around till you get another opening. You can lure them to the dudes that are on fire in there for some damage. Oddly enough the transform draw attack and charge attack of the Chikage will do some good damage to them if your bloodtinge is high enough. Regarding that 3 Cramped Casket mob in the back after that solo ambush out of the carriage I believe you can just leave them there since there's nothing worth the hassle over there. I believe they have a chance of killing you if they attack you while you're attacking because that does bonus damage.
Morrigan Stark
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If they hit you mid-dodge, that counts as a direct/counter hit (or whatever the terminology is) and will do extra damage.
I'd love to know this as well, but I don't think any release date has been offered so far.
Maleficence
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I just got to nightmare frontier and it's possibly the most beautiful area in the game so far, love it. Struggling with the poison swamps and rock throwers though.
Srey Plaughtered
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The White Church set is good for poison resist. Also Time for Salvation, the Gift of the Godhead cometh.
Kehehehehe.
Maleficence
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I don't think I've managed to find that so far, I have the rust coloured one I think it's the tomb keepers set? or something? Not sure.
Srey Plaughtered
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Even Gascoigne's stuff has good poison resist, though if you want to go search for it you can find the white church set in Forbidden woods. It's on one of the rooftop of the house near the dog cages.
Anyone know what's a good level to stop at for a NG+ character? It's a helper character only for PvE and Chalices. I was thinking somewhere around 160-170.
JadedWriter
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Go back to the Forgotten Woods, it's up on a roof if you stick to the left path after the first mob with the two dogs. Even if you have the Black Church set it's still a really good poison resist set. Regarding the rock throwers use some Blue Elixirs. I didn't really use them ever till I got there and they come in handy during some parts of chalice dungeons as well.
Congrats, I have two more trophies left...two more trophies.