The durability ones aren't too bad apparently, provided you aren't running entire Chalices without going back to repair.
I think the HP drain ones are the worst, yeah.
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Bloodborne: The Old Hunters |OT| Old Hunters. New Tricks, Bells & Whistles.
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The durability ones aren't too bad apparently, provided you aren't running entire Chalices without going back to repair.
I think the HP drain ones are the worst, yeah.
Yup! It's crazy how easily other co-op partners have dropped. I feel like that fight never got too outta hand. Now I dumped all my echoes into Vit hahaFirst meet her at Yarham, then meet her at Cathedral Ward after opening the big gate of the plaza (the one that you can open with the badge), then kill Henryk before red moon, and at last, Chikage hunter after red moon.
you're welcomeGafhunt to the rescue!
johntown
Banned
I use a few that do 20% - 23% extra damage with a 2.8% extra stamina increase (not bad IMO). Forgot where I got them though....one of the Chalice Dungeons.
Well, I was stuck on that boss on NG++ for almost 2 hours so I kinda know his tricks now lol You actually did well for such low VIT. I would recommend atleast 40 VIT IMO. With that you can tackle the DLC and Depth 5 chalices, probably DLC on NG+ too.
Imru al-Qays
Banned
Have you noticed how he actually seems to whinny or neigh like a horse at the beginning and end of his mid-fight cutscene? I thought that was a great touch, the sort of slightly ludicrous dark humor I remember from Dark 1.
HORRORSHØW
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yeah, i've finished her quest before on other playthroughs. but in this one she isn't showing up at the tomb. it's night time, before the red moon.
Disaster Nebraska
Banned
Rom is weak to Bolt and Fire. Very easy to plow through the fight with a heavy weapon (which provides solid hits against Rom and also makes it easier to clear out Rom's minions).
Gormless Noodle
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Weapon degradation isn't that bad actually, you do need to be a bit more careful with using it then, but it's one of the better downsides you can get for PVE (as long as it's only one slot). HP drain I personally always avoid, although you can make it work if you think of it like a chikage
Kin down is good (you don't face that many throughout the game), beast down is not optimal since you fight loads of those generally and the extra stamina drain ones are arguably best. Worst of all is the attack down ones though, those are entirely garbage.I know all that but in practice you are stuck in a small room with 20xx spiders and a huge fat fuck who spams bullshit.
I'm gonna just dump my echoes into that now. I got myself up to 30 now.
Phoenix944
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Yaaay I've been able to play against M
again ! I guess she's giving some people a hard time lol
aria
Imru al-Qays
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Not sure I agree with some of these. MLS doesn't have a quick form, unlike LHB, so I'm not sure how you can call it the more versatile of the two.
And the Rakuyo and the Chikage aren't really comparable weapons, in spite of the fact that they're both katanas. The Chikage is an explicitly overpowered weapon in PvE: a 50-bloodtinge Chikage will outdamage every other weapon in the game at comparable levels of stat investment, not just the Rakuyo. The real question is: how does the Rakuyo compare to other skill weapons at 50 skill? Specifically the Blade of Mercy, Burial Blade, Reiterpallasch, Threaded Cane, Rifle Spear, Beasthunter Saif.
Church Pick seems like the quickest halberd-style weapon in the game at the moment, and it should at least outdamage the Burial Blade, which is its only (much slower, less stamina-efficient) skill competition.
2H R1s are weaker DPS than 1H R1s pretty much across the board. The advantage of the two-handed form (especially for halberds) is single-strike damage and range, not DPS. Compare to the Hunter Axe and Burial Blade, which both do more DPS in 1H form than in 2H form.
Church Pick actually works best with a skill quality build as opposed to a pure skill build, due to its relatively high strength scaling.
It uses bullets.
Oh I see, for some reason I thought it didn't have ammo.
Phoenix944
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On my way
UnluckyKate
Member
Ludwig is the hardest challenge for me right now. All the bosses had patterns, telescoped attacks, somehow safe zones for a couple of attacks.
Ludwig is just too fast, too agressive, all his attacks are zones, he hits like a fucking train. I need two rolls to get out of his range, another one back to get into range of the Burial blade in two hands form, I can get a hit, the next one will miss because he will move his head to prepare his next attack and I'm too late to dodge.
okay then, I'll try to hit him only once but it takes forver and he has fucking 10 attacks one me I have to dodge for every Hit I can land on him.
I guess I can't interrupt him with the gun ?
I just can't figure out his patterns, it's been 2 hours and I made 0 progress. I can't get near 1/4 of his life down. There 3/4 left and I just can't survive long enough he just wrecks me he doesn't care it's infuriating and I platniumed the game I just got Amelia first try after not touching the game for 6 months... And ludwig just kill me like I'm a fly.
I can't get behind, I can't get in front, I can't get under I can't get on the side. He's just too fast, got insane range, insane power...
Ludwig is just too fast, too agressive, all his attacks are zones, he hits like a fucking train. I need two rolls to get out of his range, another one back to get into range of the Burial blade in two hands form, I can get a hit, the next one will miss because he will move his head to prepare his next attack and I'm too late to dodge.
okay then, I'll try to hit him only once but it takes forver and he has fucking 10 attacks one me I have to dodge for every Hit I can land on him.
I guess I can't interrupt him with the gun ?
I just can't figure out his patterns, it's been 2 hours and I made 0 progress. I can't get near 1/4 of his life down. There 3/4 left and I just can't survive long enough he just wrecks me he doesn't care it's infuriating and I platniumed the game I just got Amelia first try after not touching the game for 6 months... And ludwig just kill me like I'm a fly.
I can't get behind, I can't get in front, I can't get under I can't get on the side. He's just too fast, got insane range, insane power...
robotzombie
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Grimløck;187327656 said:
This happened to me and people told me it was because I fought/killed Amelia first before talking to her near the cathedral ward. Are you in the same boat?
Edit: side note, is the Reiterpallasch a good weapon? I keep seeing it brought up, never even bothered paying attention to it before
If you can actually stack enough damage on your character and you continue to hit him as he teleports you can stun him so that he stops teleporting and can do a massive blow to his health on that first attempt. After that it is all about just running around like a lunatic slapping him once and running away dodging spiders. It's one of the only bosses that does feel a bit random. The pillars in that room do block the meteors though if u can use them to protect from that.
Disaster Nebraska
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Not saying she isn't hard. She is. But weapons with AoE attacks and/or wide swings, with the added minor benefit of bolt/fire can make the difference. Oh, and she's weak to Arcane I think. Forgot to mention that. If you have the empty phantasm shell, use it.
Think of it this way: if you can kill one of her spiders (which do NOT respawn if I'm not mistaken) in 1-2 swings instead of 2-3 swings, wouldn't that help you get through the battle faster? Wouldn't it help you conserve stamina so that you can more easily dodge and more easily land attacks on Rom and other spiders?
I always ignore spiders with Rom. If I stop and hit spiders I end up getting ambushed, so I never stop, I kite the spiders , do a couple of attacks to Rom when I see it's safe to do so (not much spiders around her), and run away again, pulling the spiders with me.
Dunno what to say, it's a really hard boss fight that's for sure. I ended up more or less learning his attacks. Rolling under him worked for me, but you have to time it right.
Dunno what to say, it's a really hard boss fight that's for sure. I ended up more or less learning his attacks. Rolling under him worked for me, but you have to time it right.
HORRORSHØW
Member
yup. beat amelia really early to access the DLC. that must be it. interesting.
the key is at the altar of the Cathedral, where the fire Cleric Beast is taking a nap.
PhazonBlazer
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I don't have the DLC yet, but now that it's been out for a while what seems like the recommended level to start the DLC with
I'm confused,
do I need to leave this area? I don't see any other pathways and I don't see a cleric beast anywhere...
Imru al-Qays
Banned
Go back to the beginning of the level and run up the stairway where the fireball rolls down. It's at the top of the stairs, in Amelia's old boss room.
Arjen
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I'd say around 70 for NG. It's basically a post game area. You'll need a lot of VIT and at least a +9 weapon.
Disaster Nebraska
Banned
It's nuanced but isn't going to blow you away with tons of damage. IMO it's "solid" in the same way that the cleavers are solid but not amazing.
Being able to transform-shoot while also holding a gun in the Left is interesting. I didn't care for it at first but it's nice in 1-on-1 (either PvP or PvE). Basically, do you like parries and do you like to actively switch between Trick and non-Trick in the middle of combos? If so, Reiter is pretty fun.
EDIT: yep, what the guy below said. Not going to impress anyone with its DPS or burst damage, but fun to play with and definitely a viable weapon for SKL builds (although everyone usually focuses on BoM or Burial for that).
It has a great moveset in my opinon that allows you to play very safe with a wide variety of opponents ranging from PVE to PVP. The damage isn't the greatest but its perks are definitely how safe you can play with it and dodge.
drotahorror
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I remember being happy that I 1 shot that my first time at release (Chalice Rom). This time around on my new character I got so pissed off. I was ready to call it quits and not even bother going to the DLC. F that Rom dude.
Just remember if you see rom roll over on it's back then beams will come out the ground, run away from him, if they're coming from the sky, run towards him. I only bothered with adds the first phase, second phase I only killed spiders when it was convenient. Either way, I hated that fight this time around. I one shot him in the normal game this time around too, but chalice Rom annoyed the piss outta me.
He sure is. It took me 3 plus hours to take him out. His moves are easily dodgable once you figure them out. But figuring it all out is obviously not easy. Keep your distance, outside of his swipe range. You can dodge his charge, beam, and the weird bucking move he does by dodging to the side. You dodge the high jump/ceiling attacking by rolling. There are two versions of this, one is immediate and the other he'll hang out on the ceiling. During the one where he waits on the ceiling, watch for the drips of blood, when you hear the three droplets of blood hit the ground it's time to dodge. His other attacks are dodged by simply staying out of range. His circle swipe, he sometimes will follow up with a second lunging swipe, so always back dash away twice. You can attack during this three hit combo thing he does, the move he does at the start of the fight. After he does the outward swipe part of it, dodge to his right side (your left) and attack. You also get hits in after the ceiling attack, and if you can get to the side of him during his beam attack. It's really fight of attrition with him since he has so much health. One mistake can cost you the fight, which is heartbreaking. Which is why it's better to focus on evasion than getting in damage. If you get too greedy you will pay for it.
Having a strange problem with my copy of the game. Not exclusive to the dlc, but my whole game is having weird texture bugs and color problems. Everything's way too bright even on the darkest settings and everything looks like it's been smeared in vaseline. Just got a new tv so it may relate to that, and I know it might also just be a sign that my PS4 is dying (please no) but other games show up fine.
If anyone has any idea of a solution please pm me, I don't want to clog up the thread with this issue. Much love.
edit: game also seems to be running at a poorer framerate than I remember, though that might not be accurate.
If anyone has any idea of a solution please pm me, I don't want to clog up the thread with this issue. Much love.
edit: game also seems to be running at a poorer framerate than I remember, though that might not be accurate.
So, what's the point of using the Old Hunters NPC's on Chalice dungeons?
They have like 2 vials, after that they're just sitting there being stupid while not healing and eating AoEs.
The Bloodborne team should have talked with the Dark Souls 2: SOTFS team about NPC's for sure.
They have like 2 vials, after that they're just sitting there being stupid while not healing and eating AoEs.
The Bloodborne team should have talked with the Dark Souls 2: SOTFS team about NPC's for sure.
Those NPCS you speak of are AMAZING tanks and have abnormally high HP lol. They aren't meant for DPS. Mines though never just sat there being dumb, they literally dodged out of hits and stuff lol. I was impressed when one of them dodged amagdalya's jump attack at the precise moment.
UnluckyKate
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that is the thing. It's no fight of attrition for me. It's a fight of surviving more than 30 seconds. he's too fast, got too much range. If I can't doge an attack, I will get stun lock and will eat the second and I'm dead. most fight don't last 20 seconds because when I see an opening I take it but I can't dodge or roll back far enough. I can never escape him. I can't stay near him because he got bullshit 360 swipes... I just can't figure it out. It's been 2 hours and I'm dropping off for tonight. I made 0 progress tonight on him after an hour yesterday night. No boss took me this long and wrecked me this hard. I have 0 sens of knowing the fucker better than on my first try. It's just a feeling of hopelessness
Well I dunno, I'm against the Loran Darkbeast on my new character and I summoned one because I want to get done with Chalices quickly.
I don't want him to DPS, I want him to tank but dude won't heal. He just use a couple of vials and then that's it. I even take the aggro of the boss so he could heal but nope, spent a whole minute with almost no heal doing nothing other than attack.
He also loves to eat AoE but that's usual with NPCs.
Here's my video of me finally getting him. I get a bit sloppy but it it'll show you how to avoid all of his attacks - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyvhaPTgHCw
Weird, some NPCS don't have a lot of vials like Alfred the Queen Killer has very little. Do you have enough arcane for choir bell? Lol
Fortunately, the first section has a shitload of Twin Shards and Chunks to help a player out. That dark caves makes it rain
with chaingun bullets
double jump
you haven't lived until a random little kid ask you "how do you make love".
Wow , that's a great summery. Ludwig had some of the best dialogue and personality in the soul's verse but his boss battle was weak by soul's standards. Artorias was great boss's but a lackluster character even with his back story.
Fancy Clown
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Just beat
after a few attempts. Definitely the easiest boss after LFs in the DLC (he wouldn't even be a harder boss in the base game). Idk why people had so much trouble with him.
Now just the fucking well.
Laurance
Now just the fucking well.