Morrigan Stark
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Such as? Can't think of anything I'd describe as broken. At all.
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Bloodborne: The Old Hunters |OT| Old Hunters. New Tricks, Bells & Whistles.
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Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
A combo that stunlocks in PvP. Yeah I've never seen this before! Totally game-breaking, please nerf, game is borked now!
*yawn*
Relaxed Muscle
Member
One thing is to get stunlocked by fast weapons like BoM, another is get stunlocked by a slow as fuck weapons that hits like a truck.
Poise was a joke on DS2 and lead to broken shit like this.
I mean then we had this shit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNGuA4XVaXU
lol
DS2 balance was a joke that needed several (lots) of adjusments to be playable, although balance is a common problem with souls games, I have to agree.
DaS2 had bunch of broken stuff at launch but so did DaS1 and BB at launch. Remember lightning Zweihander or Arcane Rifle Spear?
Akiyama_AE
Member
found a chalice dungeon online that has a really easy bloodrock on the first side area whoa
Orochinagis
Member
Thats not even the tip of the iceberg my friend.
there were always broken builds, spells or items in the souls games, especially at launch. so yes, Dark Souls 2, like the others, was (still is?) unbalanced as fuck.
some things get nerfed, some things don't.
''Tranquil Walk ofDeath Peace'' in DkS1 before the nerf, WoG and hexes in DkS2, etc. *the list can get pretty big.
it is hilarious when you know what is broken and the opponent doesn't.
some things get nerfed, some things don't.
''Tranquil Walk of
it is hilarious when you know what is broken and the opponent doesn't.
Aye. What also sucks is that coldblood doesn't scale with level. In NG+ they are nearly useless.
The Chalice dungeons should not be in the game at all. Just have a boss arena mode and spare us the drab dungeons.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Sure, I agreeded that souls balance is a common problem with the series, but while Arcane Rifle Spear was a notorious broken build, BB is probably the most balanced soulsborne game (obviously thanks to it's shorter range of weapons, spells and items).
So while gems, or fuckton of weapons, armor and items may throw balance of the cliff naturally, one shouldn't really worry about balance on a souls game, since it's mostly bound to be broken.
Oh I know, but I could only remember OnlyAfro videos since I stopped playing DaS2 months ago.
In PvE I disagree significantly and find it to be the worst. I didn't farm echoes at all in the campaign and bosses were being toppled due to the insane blood gems and visceral system.
edit: they're not Souls. GET IT RIGHT!
Oh god that is the worst. What the hell do I do with coldblood that gives me 150 echoes in NG+ and beyond? Can you even buy one pebble with that?
Yeah BB is pretty balanced and it is most likely the lower amount of weapons and spells. Gems throw some variants into the mix like we saw with Rifle Spear but nothing major aside that. Or atleast I don't remember. Maybe Cannon in PVE? It is still pretty 'broken' in PVP if you know the best way to use it.
But yeah I agree that you shouldn't really care about having balance in Souls or Bloodborne especially at launch when there is always something broken. At launch PVP basically boils down to who finds the most broken shit fastest.
edit.
Using overleveled builds. Thats what I did the first time haha. Is there something that is causing problems for you in general?
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Meh, visceral system is only there if you go for a skill based character and several bosses are quite hard to visceral, and you only find good blood gems after finishing some of the hardest content (Chalice dungeons) or some decent ones in the final area, so in NG aren't really a problem.
For me BB is the hardest game of the (two)series by far, and DLC only cemented that. But regarding PvE balance, is not something BB might do wrong, you can create some very powerful PvE builds in any game of the series.
If you have that many problems you can ask GAF help. But one tip that I see many people fail when I fought it co-op: after he jumps start running and don't stop until he falls (alternatively roll like a madman). Is the safest way to avoid it.
Orochinagis
Member
Nope, you need to kill Vicar Amelia to get access to a new world of .....PAIN.
Gylph pls
Orochinagis
Member
dammit, double post
Like Orochinagis said you need to beat VA. Also level90 will be very low on NG+ so unless you are really good or just like to get destroyed you need to level up before it.
Dammit! Well, that bitch isn't that far away.
Arjen
Member
NG+ is really a step back from DS2. I loved what they did with that. I hope they bring it back for DS3
StrawberryJam
Member
Thanks a lot for the tips, I will try and put them into practice next time! I managed to get to the 2nd phase pretty consistently, but it just wrecked me every time at that point.
I think I need a little break from the fight so I can come back with a new perspective. Probably my favourite game this year but damn it can be suffocating on occasion. If I can beat Ebrietas than I can beat this Orphan! Don't take that out of context please!
HORRORSHØW
Member
lol equip some EYE runes
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Yeah
is wrecking my shit. I'm lvl 100 in NG+ . My chikage has 550 AR in BT mode and 360 in normal but these enemies in the DLC are tanking it.
Ludwig
saw these posts only now, mybad :^
also there is much less variety in builds in comparison to the other games, more weapons and items were added with the DLC but you still often get a feeling of "already seen, already been there", the lack of magic doesn't help in that regard either.
parrying vials isn't really something that you can do consistently even if you learn how to shoot in the exact second the opponent heals (which is hard to do because of how fast you can heal), he can dash/roll out of your sight, hide behind corners or whatever and use that small time frame to heal, e.g. there is a lot of shit in Nightmare Frontier that blocks bullets, and by the time you go around that healing is already done. you can also run out of bullets very easily if you're trying to parry a lot, or if you use items - or if you just start the fight with 10 bullets because you didn't want to waste 3 minutes in loading screens to restock. /not to mention how the time frame for doing the visceral is small, so if you're far from the opponent you probably won't be able to do it.
never tried to swap weapons in order to get the gun out faster when using a 2h weapon, that could actually work.
I'm not saying it's awful, it's far from that and I had fun with it, but I still find the other games to be much more enjoyable as far as pvp and invasions go.
I didn't know about this. searched for it and found a thread on reddit, not sure if you mean that chalice dungeon. I might go back and give that a try if it's still active.
I believe it's more about the fact that pvp/invasion system in the DkS games (or Demon's, even) works better. here they obviously tried to do something new with the bells but the result isn't as good. like you can hardly be invaded during your run, even if you actively summon for co-op. or think how in the DkS games you could find 1v1 duels much faster, or how you could do things like "fight clubs", which were legit fun. then there are a bunch of small annoyances, like how you need to go back to the hunter's dream to restock on items, killing yourself is a bit faster (still annoying though) but that only works for vials and bullets (assuming that you have them in stock), or how pvp covenants might as well not exist - I'm not sure I ever got a duel from covenant runes. ~etc.
also there is much less variety in builds in comparison to the other games, more weapons and items were added with the DLC but you still often get a feeling of "already seen, already been there", the lack of magic doesn't help in that regard either.
parrying vials isn't really something that you can do consistently even if you learn how to shoot in the exact second the opponent heals (which is hard to do because of how fast you can heal), he can dash/roll out of your sight, hide behind corners or whatever and use that small time frame to heal, e.g. there is a lot of shit in Nightmare Frontier that blocks bullets, and by the time you go around that healing is already done. you can also run out of bullets very easily if you're trying to parry a lot, or if you use items - or if you just start the fight with 10 bullets because you didn't want to waste 3 minutes in loading screens to restock. /not to mention how the time frame for doing the visceral is small, so if you're far from the opponent you probably won't be able to do it.
never tried to swap weapons in order to get the gun out faster when using a 2h weapon, that could actually work.
I'm not saying it's awful, it's far from that and I had fun with it, but I still find the other games to be much more enjoyable as far as pvp and invasions go.
Imperfected
Member
I think Bloodborne's approach to PVP would be perfect if they just gave a very mild incentive to using the Sinister Bell.
I mean something like making it so you gain +50% Blood Echoes while the bell is ringing or being invaded. Keep it more or less completely opt-in, don't gate anything behind it, just make it worthwhile for a non-zero percentage of players to interact with the system who aren't doing it explicitly to hunt for PVP matches.
I mean something like making it so you gain +50% Blood Echoes while the bell is ringing or being invaded. Keep it more or less completely opt-in, don't gate anything behind it, just make it worthwhile for a non-zero percentage of players to interact with the system who aren't doing it explicitly to hunt for PVP matches.
Spaaaaaaaaace
Member
Anyone want to so some chalice dungeons? Gotta get through them.
which ones?
Spaaaaaaaaace
Member
I'm doing the main story ones. Lower Hintertomb 2. I might be a bit overleveled, but I really want to get these done.
i'm just on pthumeru ;__;
Spaaaaaaaaace
Member
. I can hop on yours. I'm not super good at the game, but I like playing co-op. If you need help.
i just have BLB left but if you wanna help sure
i'm still not entirely sure how chalice stuff works tbh
7DollarHagane
Banned
Is that bloodborne guide worth it on amazon? $20 with the 25% off is probay as cheap as it will get.
I've finished the game but would like to read about all the stuff I've missed before going into the dlc or new game sometime next year.
I've finished the game but would like to read about all the stuff I've missed before going into the dlc or new game sometime next year.
Yes, it's a beautiful, massive guide.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
I fucking hate that. The loading times for that and frequent need to return to the Dream killed my desire to PvP completely. When actively seeking PvP there's a bigger incentive to lose as a host (to refill vials and bullets) than to win, lol.
It's crazy that lamps don't work as bonfires to at least refill items. Huge step down from Souls games.
Yeah agreed with this as well.
PvP is still kinda fun, but nothing seems to recapture the feeling of Demon's Souls PvP for me.
Maybe DS3 will... if they can make a system that doesn't completely suck. Also, fuck HP penalties for phantoms and invaders, that's annoying. I was glad DS3 got rid of that. I also hope they get rid of the ugly glowing auras so I can Fashion Souls without using a late-game ring slot. xDxglaurungx88
Neo Member
I've been running the Isz chalices finally. Opening them up for stone farming. I'd be willing to help you guys out if you're still playing.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
Finally got the Bowblade and I love it. Feels so good to use. I want to go back and replay everything with it. Almost finished the DLC now, it's been amazing.
Unless you don't have PS+ there is almost zero need to grind for root chalice materials. Also elemental gems are really good but it only works with arcane builds and specific weapons.
Definitely (the bosses at least)
Imperfected
Member
The bosses, or the levels?
(Either way, I'm going to have trouble properly parsing this, since I really can't see a reasonable argument for Demon's Souls having the toughest of either. Are you sure it didn't just seem harder because it was your first Souls game?)
The Old Hunters bosses are dramatically harder than anything except maybe Maneaters. The Old Hunters levels are not really as hard as many of the ones in Dark Souls 1/2, however. Most of the ball-breaking stuff is completely optional, the actual progression path is fairly reasonable.
My second character spent over 100 vials trying to beat them (still haven't yet) and my first character did the same. Both times I sold the dlc weapons I didn't want to use to buy more vials since some will net you lots of echoes.
First half is fine, but when it transforms I can't stop getting wrecked.
I was so close to beating
That, and the loading times. They really discourage me from continuing to play.
Orphan, but it then caught me in its tantrum attack and I was instantly killed despite my high health.
That, and the loading times. They really discourage me from continuing to play.