I know, Apple is making a killing because of that.
Bloomberg: iPad 3 in March with retina display, quad core chip
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I know, Apple is making a killing because of that.
Pretty much, they will justify the retina designation by saying "at the normal viewing distance of 2+ feet the pixels are indistinguishable". Retina is a marketing term they made up and they can repurpose to apply to iPad 3's screen.
Betta Lines
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Absolutely. But much like the Smart Cover, I think it needs some extra magic inside each device, so it has to be developed together with the iPad itself, for full integration. Then they could sell as an option for $100 or even $200 if it really delivered a Cintiq-like experience.
I've never been very good at telling people what they want to hear
But I would advise you not to bet against me in this matter.
Rub, you're goin' down, boy!
You're right, but they can easily change their word to mean something else.
I was among the first to (wrongly) predict that the iPhone 2011 would have a 768x1024 display, and I still think this would be smart, but right now it seems like LCfiner has the flag.
..er..so not fine?
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Stranger things have happened, no doubt.
Al-ibn Kermit
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The PSP Ridge Racer game was made for a 7 year old handheld. There are already games on the app store that looked better than that.
I used two examples where they really push the PSV. I think there will be plenty cross-platform ports of simple games as smartphones and tablets will eclipse the PSV's processing power in perhaps a few years. But I don't really see a company putting out a $5 version of a game that cost a lot to produce on the app store while also trying to sell the $30 version in a retail store.
Another issue is that the PSV only has a 960X540 resolution, it sounds like iPad3 will run apps/games at a minimum of 1024X768 resolution so that's roughly 1.5 times more pixels. That would mean that there's some visual trade off.
I think that what we're seeing with the PSV is handheld consoles moving into the tablet realm, rather than the other way around. Giving up physical buttons and consistent hardware (for the developers) is a pretty big deal I would think.
If you really want to upgrade, then just wait a month or two for the iPad2 price cut and get one of those. I could not suggest spending an extra $100-$200 for an iPad3 if you don't plan to read PDFs or magazines.
720P movies won't look much better though and it's pretty hard to care about that much of a PPI difference when web browsing.
...oh and, you're definitely wrong here.
You're placing too much stock into some arbitrary number. When the iPad is unveiled at a lower ppi than the 4, while still being labeled a retina display, you will have to rethink your stance.
Keylime
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PPI isn't the number that matters, though...at least not by itself. It's about PPI vs. distance from the face. That graph I posted on the other page is what it's about. It's going to come down to whether or not the typical user is holding an iPad a foot from their face or a foot and a half or two feet on average. Personally for me it's more like a foot and a half or something. There are some games you can play with numbers here, but in general Apple will make the argument that it's still Retina and use this graph as the justification.
Steve made a huge deal about Retina because it makes fonts look beautiful on a digital display. It humanizes the digital medium. I know that sounds overly dramatic...but I don't think Retina is something Apple made a big hub-bub about and intended to just cast it aside because it was no longer convenient.
Retina is the way forward for computer devices, and I think Apple of all companies will push the industry towards making Retina the standard, not the exception.
I get all the engineering arguments for 2X and aliasing from upscaling and all that...I just think Apple is either going to merge the resolutions/aspect ratios of their iOS devices, or they are going to up-res the iPhone if it does get a screen size bump so it can stay classified as Retina (or if the screen size doesn't get that much bigger, they'll keep the same resolution because it would still stay above the line).
That must be difficult while rolling your wheelchair out of the retirement home.
Luckily the armrests act a stand for the gargantuan device, it's like having a mobile Surface.
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Also, I'm with RubDub, "retina" is the moniker applied to pixel distinguishing over certain distance not a specific number.
Keylime
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Yeah, just iPhone is what I'm talking about this whole time.
iPad will be 2X, no question.
but that's what I've been saying... that's why a theoretical iPhone with a larger screen won't change the number of pixels over the current model.
If I've been saying that "retina" marketing isn't about a number... and you say that this is what Rub has been saying...
Then who was retina?
Al-ibn Kermit
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What if they copied the Nexus's virtual keys and made the actual screen a little longer...into the the widescreen realm. You can have a 16:9 4.3 inch screen with ~720P resolution, therefore it would have just about 345 ppi.
You still have the OS and apps run at 4:3 but there's a bar on the side where you have a home and Siri button. That bar can disappear if a certain app/video supports wide screen.
This would be pretty logical but I think that's too far outside of the iPhone product design for Apple to even consider it.
I agree that web page text will still look better, but it won't look BETTER. I can't tell a guy to spend extra money on something that he probably won't even notice any real benefit from.
You still have the OS and apps run at 4:3 but there's a bar on the side where you have a home and Siri button. That bar can disappear if a certain app/video supports wide screen.
This would be pretty logical but I think that's too far outside of the iPhone product design for Apple to even consider it.
I agree that web page text will still look better, but it won't look BETTER. I can't tell a guy to spend extra money on something that he probably won't even notice any real benefit from.
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The iPhone's aspect ratio is 3:2.
Apple would never make it 16:9. That'd be crazy. The primary way to hold a iPad is vertically, thats unwieldily in 16:9. It'd make the iPad basically unusable unless they completely change the UI.
So it's very likely we're less than 2 weeks away from iPad 3 press invites going out. I am excited like a god damn school girl. Hoping we get some meaty leaks in the next few weeks.
Will iPad 3 be the dawn of "sub-hd" games on iOS? Will the A6 (quad or dual core) be able to power games like Infinity Blade 2 (but better) at 2048 x 1536?
Will iPad 3 be the dawn of "sub-hd" games on iOS? Will the A6 (quad or dual core) be able to power games like Infinity Blade 2 (but better) at 2048 x 1536?
I don't think Apple would include the retina display without the necessary hardware to drive the resolution well. When Apple moved to retina with iPhone 4, the hardware could handle it very well.
I guess we'll see soon enough. Knowing Apple, they will show off some apps with the iPad 3, and I'm sure a AAA game will be one of them.
I'm pretty sure I'll buy an iPad 3 (even though I bought an iPad 2 in December, but I'll upgrade to 4G and 64GB) if it has Retina, 4G and an A6 processor. But I want something more for upgrading from the iPad 2. Siri would be funny as i dont have an iphone 4S but it's not necessary. I can't think of other features. I don't read books as I just bought a Kindle Touch, but Retina would be good for my games, mail, calendar, websites etc. Oh yea, bring on a FaceTime HD cam and at least a 5mp back camera. But I want something "new", something "different".
Which is why I said some arbitrary number.
I agree that retina is a huge marketing point that won't be cast aside in future iterations. I'm simply saying that they will only increase the size of the iPhone just enough to keep the retina moniker as its defined by them today.
The ppi will drop a bit, but the pixels will still be indistinguishable from the new distance for that bigger screen.
The iPad 3 is just an example to illustrate that point. It won't be as high a ppi as the iPhone 4, but it will still fit the definition Apple has for retina.
Well, there is not really much "new" hardware innovations really left that are needed. I mean what more can you ask for when we are likely getting:
Improved Processor, Improved GPU, massively improved screen resolution, improved cameras, 4G, & Siri? Honestly what is left?
As a current iPad 2 owner, a definite iPad 3 attraction for me will be the system RAM. Please Apple, just give it that 1 GB! This would make Safari tab killing a rarity, allow more open apps, scale sensibly with the resolution increase, and open the hardware to powerful future software additions.
Regarding that last point, I'm really looking forward to seeing how iOS will tackle the impending Windows 8 competition. Specifically, I'm curious when we'll see the ability to run two applications side-by-side. Fast app-switching or not, having this feature is essential in some situations, and Windows 8 tablets will support it. Using the iPad's considerable screen estate for this would help differentiate it further from the iPhone/iPod Touch, and in my opinion, such a feature really calls for a memory boost!
With the annual refresh cycle, the question remains wether Apple will postpone such a Windows 8-competing memory bump, as the Microsoft platform is going to be far more relevant one year from now, and the iPad brand is already very strong - but from what I'm reading, this simple 1GB RAM addition is a pretty realistic expectation to have. Right.. ?
Regarding that last point, I'm really looking forward to seeing how iOS will tackle the impending Windows 8 competition. Specifically, I'm curious when we'll see the ability to run two applications side-by-side. Fast app-switching or not, having this feature is essential in some situations, and Windows 8 tablets will support it. Using the iPad's considerable screen estate for this would help differentiate it further from the iPhone/iPod Touch, and in my opinion, such a feature really calls for a memory boost!
With the annual refresh cycle, the question remains wether Apple will postpone such a Windows 8-competing memory bump, as the Microsoft platform is going to be far more relevant one year from now, and the iPad brand is already very strong - but from what I'm reading, this simple 1GB RAM addition is a pretty realistic expectation to have. Right.. ?
Gamecocks625
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A form factor that's the shape of a triangle
Battery tech is the area in need of the most improvement, but there's nothing out there that would be ready now.
brotkasten
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An optional active stylus would be great. With an universal API for third party apps and manufacturers. Doesn't have to be bundled, sell it for $89 to the arts and farts lovers out there.
As said, if it have everything you list there, I'll buy if my funds allow me. Its really no deal breaker if there's nothing "new" per se, I'm just generally excited about "new" stuff.
What I basically want from my iPad 3 (having bought an iPad 2 in Dec):
- Dual Core A6 Processor
- Improved GPU
- FaceTime HD camera / 5mp back camera
- Same form factor, same design
- Same thinnes and weight
- 4G LTE
- Siri
- Retina Display
- 64GB
- 1GB of RAM
- Better battery (to accommodate the Retina)
- New apps tailored toward iPad 3
I think all of these are realistic besides Siri. NFC sadly won't be in.
By the way, should we do an iPad 3 rumor thread with it all listed in the OT like we did with iPhone 4S last year?
Stumpokapow
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What I want from an iPad 3:
- Does more stuff
- Is better at the stuff it does
- Looks better while it's doing the stuff it does
- Around the same battery life as the current model or better
- Has the same form factor or a better one
I don't really care if Apple achieves those goals through a particular processor or GPU loadout, and I certainly don't care to the point that I'm looking for a specific quantity of RAM. I don't care if the battery is bigger or if they make power consumption more efficient or whatever. *shrugs* I guess I'm the ideal target for an iPad since I care a lot more about the results I get than the inputs it took Apple to get those results
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Crazymoogle
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I don't really care if Apple achieves those goals through a particular processor or GPU loadout, and I certainly don't care to the point that I'm looking for a specific quantity of RAM. I don't care if the battery is bigger or if they make power consumption more efficient or whatever. *shrugs* I guess I'm the ideal target for an iPad since I care a lot more about the results I get than the inputs it took Apple to get those results
This.
And it's basically what we can rely on Apple doing. They aren't selling 1080p or HDMI or 1GB or whatever. They're selling the iPad. Their customers expect some sort of improvement, but Apple won't compromise their product by relying on technological buzzwords to sell it. (Hence why they can tout "retina" at a press conference but don't put it as a buzzword on the box.)
What I want from an iPad 3:
- Does more stuff
- Is better at the stuff it does
- Looks better while it's doing the stuff it does
- Around the same battery life as the current model or better
- Has the same form factor or a better one
I don't really care if Apple achieves those goals through a particular processor or GPU loadout, and I certainly don't care to the point that I'm looking for a specific quantity of RAM. I don't care if the battery is bigger or if they make power consumption more efficient or whatever. *shrugs* I guess I'm the ideal target for an iPad since I care a lot more about the results I get than the inputs it took Apple to get those results
I don't know where you are going with this or what your statement is supposed to be, as I'm of the same opinion of you. I were just talking strictly specs, and I could put it that way as well, as you just did.
I want more tabs open without them reloading and people says 1GB will fix that, I want a sharper picture for video chatting with my girlfriend, so I want a HD cam, I want a faster Internet experience at other places, so 4G will be the answer for that. I want the same amount of hours, so a better battery will be the fix. Etc etc, we want the same stuff, it was just put out differently.
I don't care about specs either, I care about an improved experience that is worth more than $500, that is the price here in Denmark, four months after I have bought an iPad 2.
Hopefully the case design is close enough that the existing ones work. My year old leather cover is aging nicely.
You might be the ideal target but you're not exactly the average consumer that Apple targets either. In addition to the general questions you pose, an average customer will want:What I want from an iPad 3:
- Does more stuff
- Is better at the stuff it does
- Looks better while it's doing the stuff it does
- Around the same battery life as the current model or better
- Has the same form factor or a better one
I don't really care if Apple achieves those goals through a particular processor or GPU loadout, and I certainly don't care to the point that I'm looking for a specific quantity of RAM. I don't care if the battery is bigger or if they make power consumption more efficient or whatever. *shrugs* I guess I'm the ideal target for an iPad since I care a lot more about the results I get than the inputs it took Apple to get those results
- new apps to appear and work properly
- be future proof and last many years.
Knowing and, more importantly, understanding the specs helps the customer make better decisions.
If there is a new smartcover you'll buy it.
If the old one doesn't fit, yes. If the old one does fit, no.
Keylime
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But what if the new smart cover comes with an Apple branded capacitive pen + holder?!
That doesn't interest me, no.
If it had some new functionality that did interest me, sure. Not sure what that would be though.
Keylime
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:lol, just messing around of course.
I, on the other hand...will almost certainly buy whatever the new hotness is and whatever new hotness accessories come along with said new hotness.
Who's going to know I have an iPad3 if it's using an iPad 2 smart cover and they released iPad 3 smart covers?! NOBODY! I'M NOT EVEN JOKING! I'M SERIOUSLY THIS VAIN!!!
YES! I SERIOUSLY AM!
lol. I've never understood the "lines" thing. It's rarely happened to me, and a quick wipe with the smart cover and it's gone.
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