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BO Wkd 06•16-18•17 - Queen is dethroned, all hail McQueen, ScarJo roughed up

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Ignatz Mouse

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jon bones said:
Loki & Ego the Living Planet are great
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Yes.

jon bones said:
Mordo, Klaue & Zemo are all off to to great starts
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No. Klaue is a freakin cameo (and not a good one), Mordo has a great actor but has had a lame start (seriously, his turn was my least favorite part of a surprisingly good movie ), and Zemo was freaking awful.

jon bones said:
Thanos is the main character in Infinity War & he's already slowly being built through Gamora & Nebula's conversations
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Based on the above, I'm completely wait-and-see on Thanos.
 
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MHWilliams

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DeathyBoy said:
My God, the crow that'll be eaten if it somehow passes GOTG 2...
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I mean, it'll get close regardless.

Again, the Williams theory is always that DC's floor is much higher than Marvel's. Marvel is shooting three pointers despite having a broken arm. DC hasn't been hitting twos even while having Lebron's physique. All they need to do is actually make good movies.

If BvS had been good, all the bank.
 
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DeathyBoy

Banned
MHWilliams said:
I mean, it'll get close regardless.

Again, the Williams theory is always that DC's floor is much higher than Marvel's.

If BvS had been good, all the bank.
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I'm just enjoying the one time I predicted box office success. Now if they can only rerelease Pieces as a Saw prequel...
 
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Anth0ny

Member
kswiston said:
The last one dropped 60% in its second weekend, so pretty good?
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BumRush

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DeathyBoy said:
My God, the crow that'll be eaten if it somehow passes GOTG 2...
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Why would crow be eaten? I mean I'm sure many predicted GotG2 to beat WW (and it still probably will) but it's not like people were running around saying that it would crush it, right?
 
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J_Viper

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GAMEPROFF said:
You are booth times in the minority with that opinion.

But its ok, its a meme now that Marvel villains are shit, so they are also when they are not.
Its like with the TV movie look.
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lol relax cuh, I didn't use "shit" any where in my post.

They're unmemorable, but not poorly written or performed or anything. They get the job done, but we haven't gotten a Green Goblin or Doc Ock-tier villain from the MCU yet.

Actually Ultron was bad. Aside from him, they're fine.
 
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firelogic

Member
jon bones said:
Loki & Ego the Living Planet are great

Mordo, Klaue & Zemo are all off to to great starts

Thanos is the main character in Infinity War & he's already slowly being built through Gamora & Nebula's conversations
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Can we even consider Loki as a villain though? We were supposed to hate him but he's one of the most popular MCU characters there is. That's not to say a villain can't be popular with audiences but I never got a villain vibe from him. He's like the bratty fuck-up of the family always seeking, and not getting, validation. I don't know what he's like in the comics but in the movies, he doesn't strike me as a big bad.

Even if you count him, 2 memorable villains out of 15 movies isn't a good track record.
 
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BumRush

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firelogic said:
Can we even consider Loki as a villain though? We were supposed to hate him but he's one of the most popular MCU characters there is. That's not to say a villain can't be popular with audiences but I never got a villain vibe from him. He's like the bratty fuck-up of the family always seeking, and not getting, validation. I don't know what he's like in the comics but in the movies, he doesn't strike me as a big bad.
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He tries to destroy a world or universe I'm pretty much every film he's in, doesn't he?
 
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jon bones

hot hot hanuman-on-man action
firelogic said:
Can we even consider Loki as a villain though? We were supposed to hate him but he's one of the most popular MCU characters there is. That's not to say a villain can't be popular with audiences but I never got a villain vibe from him. He's like the bratty fuck-up of the family always seeking, and not getting, validation. I don't know what he's like in the comics but in the movies, he doesn't strike me as a big bad.

Even if you count him, 2 memorable villains out of 15 movies isn't a good track record.
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he is a villainous character in 3 MCU movies, and his popularity is a testament to how terrific he is

Justin Hammer is awesome in IM2

The Winter Soldier & Alexander Pierce are a great duo in TWS

Ego is quite good in vol 2

so that's 6/15 - not quite as dismal as the DCEU is 0/4, nor do they have anything as unwatchable as Lex/Joker - but yes, i hope they continue to get better
 
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Freeza Under The Shower

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You know, I was going to say 'this might become single digits' before at Bumrush but thought better of it. Dang it.

Also, to quote myself from this post on its (domestic) performance:

Also, Transformers Whatever will probably end up just above either at 200-ish, but the difference shouldn't be very big, and if it's anything like ID4-2, ho boy. That will make an amazing RT + BO thread if that happens.
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I really can't wait for those Minions in the form of Despicable Me 3 to tear everyone a new asshole next week. Or Cars, but that's not that much of a 'your kids will nag you to death over it' I think. I don't have kids, so I'm no expert.

Oh, and can we just momentarily talk about the IMMENSE difference between Wonder Woman seeking empowerment, Get Out seeking awareness, and then Michael Bay comes in with "and here's yur racist, sexist stereotypes again, hur hur" ? Seriously, wtf is that?
I mean, I can just hear Mark Kermode playing the absolute tiniest of violins for TF5's incoming BO failure. Even China is seemingly starting to become aware of the 'if it stinks, don't go' game, as seen with The Mummy, so that 'dump it on foreign' thankfully isn't going to work anymore either.

But I'm really quite curious as to how Valerian will go, since it doesn't have a China release, so that should present an interesting way to test predictions on foreign gross, if you're into that.
 
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Schlorgan

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Up to 17% with 62 reviews!

Critic's Consensus: Cacophonous, thinly plotted, and boasting state-of-the-art special effects, The Last Knight is pretty much what you'd expect from the fifth installment of the Transformers franchise.
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kswiston

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We're getting a lot of trade articles in response to the Elle article about Gal Gadot being underpaid.

I made a thread about RDJ's crazy payday. Hollywood Reporter has another article with different details that aren't really threadworthly, but might be of interest here.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...same-as-henry-cavill-superhero-debuts-1015202

- They back up Deadline on Gal Gadot being paid about the same or slightly more than Cavill for her Wonder Woman part.

- Hollywood Reporter puts Hemsworth's Thor pay day even lower than the previous estimate, at $150k

- Adam Driver got $500k for The Force Awakens. Felicity Jones got north of $1M for Rogue One thanks to her Oscar nomination.

As reported a few times before, #1 spider fan Jon Peters made a combined $80-85M from Superman Returns and Man of Steel via a previously standing back-end deal during his work on the false start 90s Superman projects.
 
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broncobuster

Banned
kswiston said:
We're getting a lot of trade articles in response to the Elle article about Gal Gadot being underpaid.

I made a thread about RDJ's crazy payday. Hollywood Reporter has another article with different details that aren't really threadworthly, but might be of interest here.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...same-as-henry-cavill-superhero-debuts-1015202

- They back up Deadline on Gal Gadot being paid about the same or slightly more than Cavill for her Wonder Woman part.

- Hollywood Reporter puts Hemsworth's Thor pay day even lower than the previous estimate, at $150k

- Adam Driver got $500k for The Force Awakens. Felicity Jones got north of $1M for Rogue One thanks to her Oscar nomination.

As reported a few times before, #1 spider fan Jon Peters made a combined $80-85M from Superman Returns and Man of Steel via a previously standing back-end deal during his work on the false start 90s Superman projects.
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When THR reported on Hemsworth's Thor salary back in 2010, they also had Natalie Portman and Chris Evans at around $1mil. Interesting that the $200k and $300k numbers tossed around for the two Chris actors were lower and higher.

And I believe Jon Peters made around $15mil from MoS. All the rest was from Returns. It's crazy.
 
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Freeza Under The Shower

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that's really inaccurate reporting because the TFA cast, aside from Ford, pretty much just got '500k' and a gross percentage, meaning that after 1.6 billion they made millions off of it. Wonder Woman will likely similarly make Gadot millions too.

The real issue with this change in accounting is that actor get to hold 'blame' over movies failing when 99 out of a 100 cases, it's because of some producer's shitty ideas. Wild Wild West - Giant Fucking Spider comes to mind. Or just a shitty market. Or just damn rotten lack of luck.

But imagine being an actor in one of those now-popular 80's and 90's bombs, like Blade Runner, The Thing, Gremlins 2, and many more (Last Action Hero as well), and your contract screwing you out of all the many, many residuals because your gross percentage only went over the theatrical release window and not all-time and all-media beyond that.

And that is what should worry people. It might basically be the next 'net points' and there's a good quote from Eddy Murphy on the difference. Ford is most likely also well aware of that difference due to his time in the industry, and knowing what he's dealing with. He got 16 million for TFA and a gross percentage to boot. To be fair, if you have a winning hand, you take as much you can. So I'm happy for him on that one.
 
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duckroll

Member
kswiston said:
We're getting a lot of trade articles in response to the Elle article about Gal Gadot being underpaid.

I made a thread about RDJ's crazy payday. Hollywood Reporter has another article with different details that aren't really threadworthly, but might be of interest here.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...same-as-henry-cavill-superhero-debuts-1015202

- They back up Deadline on Gal Gadot being paid about the same or slightly more than Cavill for her Wonder Woman part.

- Hollywood Reporter puts Hemsworth's Thor pay day even lower than the previous estimate, at $150k

- Adam Driver got $500k for The Force Awakens. Felicity Jones got north of $1M for Rogue One thanks to her Oscar nomination.

As reported a few times before, #1 spider fan Jon Peters made a combined $80-85M from Superman Returns and Man of Steel via a previously standing back-end deal during his work on the false start 90s Superman projects.
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At least something good came out of that garbage article. More information is always good.
 
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dragonbane

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El Topo said:
First official estimate for WW for Germany is below those me and Kenzo mentioned. 222,000 viewers.
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Probably could have called it anything but Wonder Woman and it would have been more successful. People simply do not know Wonder Woman around here and if they do they usually associate her with a silly looking Superman knock off. I only got the strong urge to watch it after reading GAF impressions and I had to force my Mom to come along. She was entirely convinced it would be a silly cheesy film.

We both absolutely adored it and are now recommending it left and right. But other people are similarly resistant it seems. WW could be a big hit here tbh, but you would have to force the people into the cinema
 
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firelogic

Member
jon bones said:
he is a villainous character in 3 MCU movies, and his popularity is a testament to how terrific he is

Justin Hammer is awesome in IM2

The Winter Soldier & Alexander Pierce are a great duo in TWS

Ego is quite good in vol 2

so that's 6/15 - not quite as dismal as the DCEU is 0/4, nor do they have anything as unwatchable as Lex/Joker - but yes, i hope they continue to get better
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Zod was a great villain in MoS with great motivations for his actions. He wasn't just a dude that wanted to destroy the world or take over for the hell of it.
He was bred to protect his people and that's exactly what he was going to do. Sure, Earth had to be sacrificed but he was trying to save his race. It wasn't some ego/power trip. Even killing JorEl was something he regretted. He was honourable. He could have lied to Kal but he didn't. At the same time he was brutally pragmatic, he was a believable threat to Superman, he was determined, and he believed the ends justified the means. Plus Shannon was great in the role. What more could you ask from a villain?
 
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shintoki

sparkle this bitch
kswiston said:
Last chance to get your Transformers 5 predictions out there.

The Domestic opening is 5-days instead of 3.

The overseas opening is in 42 territories this weekend, including China.
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Going 5 day

85mil Opening

195 Total Dom

220 WW Opening

650 OS Total

845 Mil WW
 
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Freeza Under The Shower

Member
I strongly suspect that the '185' adjustment for domestic is optimistic now. TF5 is probably going to drop like a rock.
This could actually be a game changer if this movie's BO falls off a cliff, like Pirates kinda did before it. I don't even know what to guess for it's drop, but I'd say above and beyond BvS's drop. So like, 80%? At which point we can basically bury the Domestic gross, so I'd say 150 domestic is the maximum here. Even with 4x that on foreign, that's 750 WW total.

That might seem like a lot, but these movies have been consistently 1 billion, so losing 250m isn't going to go over well with the executives. Wonder who they'll blame?
 
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OrangeAtlas

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Freeza Under The Shower said:
I strongly suspect that the '185' adjustment for domestic is optimistic now. TF5 is probably going to drop like a rock.
This could actually be a game changer if this movie's BO falls off a cliff, like Pirates kinda did before it. I don't even know what to guess for it's drop, but I'd say above and beyond BvS's drop. So like, 80%? At which point we can basically bury the Domestic gross, so I'd say 150 domestic is the maximum here. Even with 4x that on foreign, that's 750 WW total.

That might seem like a lot, but these movies have been consistently 1 billion, so losing 250m isn't going to go over well with the executives. Wonder who they'll blame?
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Bay already stated beforehand that this is his final one (again) so he's got an easy out.

They'll probably throw him under the bus and finally bring Spielberg on board to helm the next trilogy to raving reviews.
 
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