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abuC

Member
Noshino said:
Or he is just weak against good counter attacking boxers like Marquez, because, while Manny still has the speed advantage, Marquez knew where and when to move. And its not just now, Manny has had trouble with him on all the fights. We are talking about a guy that has the same size and reach as him, but 8 freaking years older.



Oh, and I wouldn't mess with Nonito's wife, she'll beat you up :C




Also, Manny hasn't fought anyone with any type of speed in the last few years, I know Marquez isn't fast by any means. However, compared to Hatton, Mosley, Clottey, De La Hoya, Cotto and Margaritto, Marquez might as well be Hector "Macho" Camacho. He's become accustomed to these slow plodding fighters that just come right at him.
 
Disgusting result. Mayweather, who is basically a bigger, faster (!) and technically significantly superior Marquez, abuses Pacquiao all night long.

The biased HBO commentary was sickening.
 

Buzzati

Banned
Imp the Dimp said:
Disgusting result. Mayweather, who is basically a bigger, faster (!) and technically significantly superior Marquez, abuses Pacquiao all night long.

The biased HBO commentary was sickening.


I must've missed this fabled Pacquiao-Mayweather fight that you're speaking of.
 
JLG- said:
Tyson Fury vs. Neven Pajkic is on. Fury got Knocked down in the second round.

great fight so far

edit bad stoppage fury wins



He's a slow horrible lump of a boxer but my god are his fights entertaining? His last three tear ups on Channel 5 were fantastic to watch.

Anybody know what Channel 5 have planned for boxing on the station? They've dropped the Europa League so I hope boxing will fill their sporting void in a bigger way.
 

Esch

Banned
manny just didnt look that physical last night. he looked tentative for too long in the fight. wheres the speed? Where's the power? He was too careful early on. That's the best time to get to marquez, is early in the game. Guys with his style, standup boxer punchers, carry great stamina and power late in the game due to efficiency.

Bad gameplan.
 

SSGMUN10000

Connoisseur Of Tedium
Posted this on the Marquez-Pac thread. Here is my new top 5 p4p. Judges decision be damned.


1. Mayweather
2. Marquez
3. Pac
4. Martinez
5. Donaire

Previously had Pac at 1 and Mayweather at 2.
 

Esch

Banned
I wouldnt say a bad decision or even a Marquez victory should eclipse Manny's 147 and above accomplishments, in that regard i think he's still better. I think i'd have it

Mayweather
Pac
Marquez
Sergio bringing up the rear.
 

SSGMUN10000

Connoisseur Of Tedium
EschatonDX said:
I wouldnt say a bad decision or even a Marquez victory should eclipse Manny's 147 and above accomplishments, in that regard i think he's still better. I think i'd have it

Mayweather
Pac
Marquez
Sergio bringing up the rear.


I am going by Marquez's win in the second fight and this one in my eyes. I gave Manny the first fight.
 

MikeTyson

Banned
Imp the Dimp said:
Disgusting result. Mayweather, who is basically a bigger, faster (!) and technically significantly superior Marquez, abuses Pacquiao all night long.

The biased HBO commentary was sickening.
If what you say is true, why wont Mayweather fight him?
 

abuC

Member
Marquez has won 2 of the 3 fights versus Manny, it's honestly a shame how crooked boxing can be, and how everyone can see it yet there's nothing anyone will do about it.

As for P4P, I never had the Catchweight King at number 1, Floyd has been the best for years, people just hate his guts.
 

Baby Milo

Member
Dan Rafael
Breaking: @FloydMayweather & @GoldenBoyBoxing have been told @trboxing won't negotiate Pacquiao-FM in order to pursue 4th fight with Marquez

http://twitter.com/#!/danrafaelespn[/QUOTE]

Floyd Mayweather Jr. aide: No megafight
By Dan Rafael

The latest round of negotiations for the potential megafight between welterweight champions Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. are over before they have even begun.

Leonard Ellerbe, one of Mayweather's advisers, and Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer both told ESPN.com Monday that they were notified that Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum of Top Rank was not interested in coming to the table.

"We have been informed that Bob Arum is not interested in pursuing a fight between Mayweather and Pacquiao at this time," Schaefer said.

Mayweather knocked out Victor Ortiz in his return to the ring after 16 months off in September, and Pacquiao eked out a controversial majority decision against rival Juan Manuel Marquez in their third meeting Saturday night at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

That set the table for the showdown that looms as the biggest money fight in boxing history, especially with Mayweather announcing two weeks ago that he planned to return May 5 at the MGM Grand and, according to Ellerbe, wanted to "make the biggest fight possible and everyone knows what that fight is, the little fella (Pacquiao)."

However, that does not appear to be the plan Arum and Pacquiao have, even if they had said they were open to it before the Marquez fight.

Schaefer said the notification came in an email from retired federal judge Daniel Weinstein, the mediator who has worked closely with the sides to settle numerous lawsuits and issues in recent years.

"I am sick and tired of Bob Arum twisting the truth. It's another case of 'yesterday I was lying, today I'm telling the truth,' " Schaefer said, invoking Arum's most famous quote. "The truth of the matter is that we received this afternoon an email from retired federal judge Daniel Weinstein, who has informed us that Top Rank is pursuing a rematch with Marquez and, therefore, is not interested in immediate talks for a possible Mayweather-Pacquiao fight. This is obviously as clear as it can be that they have no intentions of making a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight. Therefore, Floyd Mayweather will have no other choice than to move on and identify and lock in another opponent for his ring return on May 5."

Schaefer said the plan was to use Weinstein to help them make the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight because he is trusted by both sides and intimately familiar with the problems between the rival promotional companies.

"Judge Weinstein is respected by both parties and mediated issues between Top Rank and Golden Boy before, so the plan was to see if he could help facilitate such a fight. Floyd's team really wanted to get this fight done," Schaefer said. "If you just sit down with Arum, he can at any time have one of his fits, one of his 'f--- you' attacks, and the likelihood that he would have a 'f--- you' attack in front of a retired judge seemed less likely than if Arum and me would be alone in a room."

Arum told ESPN.com that he knew nothing about an email and claimed that nobody from his company had communicated anything about making -- or not making -- a possible Pacquiao-Mayweather fight.

But Arum did say, "We are pursuing a fourth fight with Marquez. As far as doing anything definitively, we aren't ready to do anything definitively. When we are ready to make a determination of what we are going to do, we will do it. We are not going to do this in the press. We will do what is in the best interest of ourselves and our client and make a decision when it's time to. If we decide we want to do a rematch with Marquez, there is no reason to sit down with Mayweather. If we want to explore a Mayweather fight, we will sit down with them. But I'm not going to sit down with them just because it's a good show."

Ellerbe was just as upset as Schaefer was.

[Pacquiao promoter Bob] Arum told ESPN.com that he knew nothing about an email and claimed that nobody from his company had communicated anything about making -- or not making -- a possible Pacquiao-Mayweather fight.
"In my opinion, you have three cowards -- Bob Arum, (Pacquiao trainer) Freddie Roach and Manny Pacquiao," Ellerbe told ESPN.com. "Now we all know the truth once and for all why this fight hasn't been made. It should be clear to everyone that they don't care what the fans want, especially when Floyd is ready, willing and able to fight Manny Pacquiao now. Floyd said if this isn't clear, he doesn't know what is.

"All along we know why the fight isn't being made. This is the perfect opportunity. Both guys just fought. This is the fight the fans want to see, and it's a disgrace that they are not willing to give the fans what they want. In my opinion, there are three reasons why Arum doesn't want the fight. He knows there is no way that Manny Pacquiao can win, it kills his cash cow, and he wants to do in-house fights where he controls both sides. I said all along why this fight hasn't been made to this point. Manny Pacquiao knows, Bob Arum knows and Freddie Roach knows."

Ellerbe said he and Schaefer would begin exploring potential May 5 opponents for Mayweather.

"We have a number of options, and we will evaluate that and give the fans the biggest fight we can give them," he said. "But before we can get started (on a Pacquiao fight), Top Rank doesn't even want to listen. They're not even interested in Floyd Mayweather. They want no part of Floyd Mayweather. They have no interest in the little fella fighting Floyd. Manny Pacquiao needs to stand up, in my opinion, and tell his promoter that he wants to fight Floyd Mayweather next and stop hiding behind his promoter."

Ellerbe said Mayweather (42-0, 26 KOs) did not watch as Pacquiao (54-3-2, 38 KOs) turned in a shaky performance on Saturday night because he was making a paid appearance at a nightclub in Virginia. Mayweather came out of a 21-month retirement in September 2009 and fought Marquez, dropping him in the second round and winning a near-shutout decision, a far more dominating performance than Pacquiao has had against him in any of their three bouts.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/i...aide-says-manny-pacquiao-camp-even-talk-fight
 
B-b-but I thought Floyd was scared! Arum trying to squeeze out one more pay day from his golden goose before inevitably being exposed and embarrassed by Money. It's so obvious now that all that postuering is bullshit and Manny's people want no part of him being in the ring with Floyd. Hopefully nobody buys that piece of shit fight.
 

TheNatural

My Member!
Ninja Scooter said:
B-b-but I thought Floyd was scared! Arum trying to squeeze out one more pay day from his golden goose before inevitably being exposed and embarrassed by Money. It's so obvious now that all that postuering is bullshit and Manny's people want no part of him being in the ring with Floyd. Hopefully nobody buys that piece of shit fight.

Oh please, Floyd started this stuff with the dumb hoop jumping at the start. Arum is just a piece of shit that's continuing it. They're both at fault here, and Arum wants to land as many big paydays as possible without going for that fight, and Mayweather wants no part of a fight that could cause him to lose. Liking one over the other is stupid at this point. Both camps are fucking pathetic representatives of boxing anymore.

PS - I hope Floyd takes on Sergio Martinez and Marquez takes on Pacman and both of them kick both their prima donna asses.
 
TheNatural said:
Oh please, Floyd started this stuff with the dumb hoop jumping at the start. Arum is just a piece of shit that's continuing it. They're both at fault here, and Arum wants to land as many big paydays as possible without going for that fight, and Mayweather wants no part of a fight that could cause him to lose. Liking one over the other is stupid at this point. Both camps are fucking pathetic representatives of boxing anymore.


I've always said that. But at this point, after the Marquez fight, I think Manny's people want no part of Floyd. I don't think Manny's afraid, but I think his camp will steer him away because they don't want to see their pay days end.
 

TheNatural

My Member!
Ninja Scooter said:
I've always said that. But at this point, after the Marquez fight, I think Manny's people want no part of Floyd. I don't think Manny's afraid, but I think his camp will steer him away because they don't want to see their pay days end.

Arum = Fedor's handlers. Except instead of batshit Russians you have a dirty old racist.
 

Baby Milo

Member
Arum done fucked up

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Source: New York Athletic Commission will reject Antonio Margarito's application for a license. Margarita-Cotto will move out of NY
 
Baby Milo said:
Arum done fucked up

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Source: New York Athletic Commission will reject Antonio Margarito's application for a license. Margarita-Cotto will move out of NY


so it's bad enough Arum is even promoting Margacheato to begin with, now he's ignoring the fact that his eye is still fucked up from the Paqman fight? Nice. And people gave this scumbag the benefit of the doubt?
 

abuC

Member
computers putin' said:
Arum is a shitty human being.

All promoters are.

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Wax Free Vanilla said:
He's a slow horrible lump of a boxer but my god are his fights entertaining? His last three tear ups on Channel 5 were fantastic to watch.

Anybody know what Channel 5 have planned for boxing on the station? They've dropped the Europa League so I hope boxing will fill their sporting void in a bigger way.
Unfortunately, unless Mick Hennessy can get more fighters in his stable, the wheels could come off the channel five boxing bandwagon as soon as Fury gets his arse handed to him. It's not like anybody wants to watch Junior Witter...
 

jchap

Member
Gary Russel Jr. is the future. Broner on the other hand got beat by Ponce De Leon and had to have a golden boy gift to keep his record unblemished. I can't wait for him to step up and get destroyed.

If Cintron hadn't looked so bad in his last few fights, I would think he would have a chance.
 
Roids or not, after watching paq's last fight, I don't think Floyd is worried one bit.

I think Floyd is going handle Paq fairly easily.

Still didn't answer my question. You were so adamant he was juicing a few posts ago, what's changed?

I never asked you about Pac vs Floyd.
 

Punks

Member
Can't wait for Cotto-Margarito 2 this Saturday. These two men hate each other, and I can't wait for Cotto to get his revenge. Margarito is nothing without the plaster in his gloves.
 

Ricky_R

Member
I have to cherish what's left of Cotto. He's our last strong boxer at an exciting weight.

Juanma López and Iván Calderón's weights are not my taste and they both lost each of their last fights.
 

JLG-

Member
Cotto vs Margs 2 is gonna have a pretty good undercard.

Brandon Rios vs. John Murray
Mike Jones vs. Sebastian Lujan
Pawel Wolak vs. Delvin Rodriguez

And on Showtime:

Abner Mares vs Agbeko II
Anselmo Moreno vs. Vic Darchinyan

Should be a great weekend for boxing.
 

JB1981

Member
Only way Cotto can beat Margarito is on points. Margarito simply does not get hurt, the dude gets stronger the more damage he takes. Pacqiao fucking punished him and he still kept coming. Cotto does not have that kind of power. Margarito by TKO again
 

jchap

Member
Only way Cotto can beat Margarito is on points. Margarito simply does not get hurt, the dude gets stronger the more damage he takes. Pacqiao fucking punished him and he still kept coming. Cotto does not have that kind of power. Margarito by TKO again

Uh... Mosley knocked him out the fight before Pacquiao. Pacquiao only didn't knock him out because he took his foot off the petal. He can be stopped... maybe not by cotto though.

Also holy shit Brandon Rios.... He has to move up to 140 cause he is a ghost at the weigh in. He might lose he is so drained. I hate managers that keep fighters in classes they can't reasonably make weight in.
 
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