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pulsemyne

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NervousXtian said:
Cleverly got wrecked.. but anyone who doesn't listen to British homers knows that he had never been tested by someone anywhere close to Kovalev.. and anyone who's seen Kovalev coming up knew the guy was legit.

What was a little surprising is how easy it was for Kovalev.

Also the Barker v Geale was a great fight, happy for Barker.. seems like a good guy.
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Just think of it like this as well Cleverly has a good chin. That's how hard Kovalev hits. Saying that when cleverly was down he did hit him twice. Bit naughty but Cleverly was simply not good enough.
 
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Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Jhnonny Gonzalez is one of my favorite fighters, and to be honest thought he was done with his piss poor showing against PDL.. but damn.. what a shot to KD Mares the 1st time... just a beauty.

So happy for the guy, true Mexican warrior.. deserved it.. been a pro going on 14yrs now.. and he's an old old 31yrs old.. on the down slope of his career.. but he earned this thing.

Mares will be back.. he took Gonzo lightly it seemed.. thought he'd be able to just waltz through him.. but ask all those guys Gonzo KTFO if he's a pushover.
 
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perineumlick said:
I don't think Mares was all hype; he is legit. He got caught with a great shot against a pure puncher. He's fought some great competition and won, and showed great versatility.
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Oh, totally, it was just kinda funny that the whole thing was clearly meant as a showcase for him, including a look at his family life and past and then he gets wacked in one round
 
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Ninja Scooter

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The hook that initially knocked him out was clean as fuck. One of the cleanest shots I've seen in a while. Surprised Mares was even able to make it up.
 
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SUPREME1

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The scheduling for All-Access and for the Mares/Rodriguez bout was completely off on Charter cable. I missed it live but caught it the following morning.

Johnny has nice power. That left was flush and could have easily put his lights out.

Santa Cruz is now on my radar along with the likes of Figueroa. Similar in style. I like.
 
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Rafa Marquez, shoulda stayed gone bruh.

Sad to see a great fighter look so old and busted.


Hope his brother have a similar showing against Bradley.
 
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dudes is still talking the same mess "boring" "where's pac-man instead of this can" etc etc...i guess it's to be expected, big fights bank on the casual fans

who the hell does money fight to finish off his contract/career now though? garcia put up a good show but he'd be destroyed.

related: who do ya'll recommend for a good/fast counter-puncher, even lacking power? can't think of too many great examples offhand
 
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yeah, im thinkin Manny takes out Rios (gotta see more of dude's fights but is he just there to beef pacman back up?), maybe a few others before the big 50-0 finale, i like how one guy in the fight thread said since the fight took so long to happen that gives manny fans an automatic excuse when he loses though, haha
 
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yeah, im thinkin Manny takes out Rios (gotta see more of dude's fights but is he just there to beef pacman back up?), maybe a few others before the big 50-0 finale, i like how one guy in the fight thread said since the fight took so long to happen that gives manny fans an automatic excuse when he loses though, haha
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Rios is fun to watch, and he certainly won't lay down for Manny, but he's limited. He walks straight in and blocks punches with his head. Manny should be able to land at will and stop him. The fight is signed to make Manny look good.
 
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^ Was in the process of posting this, hit preview and saw your post.

Don't think it's been brought up on gaf yet : Ken Norton passed away last night.

Ken Norton Dead: Former Muhammad Ali Rival, Heavyweight Boxing Champion Dies At 70

LAS VEGAS — He was the second man to beat Muhammad Ali, breaking Ali's jaw and sending him to the hospital in their 1973 heavyweight fight.

Ken Norton frustrated Ali three times in all, including their final bout at Yankee Stadium where he was sure he had beaten him once again.

Norton, who died Wednesday at the age of 70, lost that fight for the heavyweight title. But he was forever linked to Ali for the 39 rounds they fought over three fights, with very little separating one man from the other in the ring.

"Kenny was a good, good fighter. He beat a lot of guys," said Ed Schuyler Jr., who covered many of Norton's fights for The Associated Press. "He gave Ali fits because Ali let him fight coming forward instead of making him back up."

Norton is the only heavyweight champion never to win the title in the ring, and boxing fans still talk about the bruising battle he waged with Larry Holmes for the title in 1978. But it was his first fight with Ali that made the former Marine a big name and the two fights that followed that were his real legacy.

Few gave Norton, who possessed a muscular, sculpted body, much of a chance against Ali in their first meeting, held at the Sports Arena in San Diego, where Norton lived. But his awkward style and close-in pressing tactics confused Ali, who fought in pain after his jaw was broken.

"Ali tore up his ankle while training and we were going to call the fight off but didn't," former Ali business manager Gene Kilroy said. "Ali said it's not going to be that tough."

It was, with Norton breaking Ali's jaw in the early rounds and having his way with the former champion for much of the night. The loss was even more shocking because Ali had only lost to Joe Frazier in their 1971 showdown and was campaigning for the title he would win again the next year against George Foreman in Zaire.

"Norton was unorthodox," Kilroy said. "Instead of jabbing from above like most fighters he would put his hand down and jab up at Ali."

Kilroy said after the fight Norton visited Ali at the hospital where he was getting his broken jaw wired. Ali, he said, told him he was a great fighter and he never wanted to fight him again.

Ken Norton Jr., a coach with the Seattle Seahawks, confirmed his father's death to The Associated Press before handing the phone to his wife, too distraught to talk.

Norton had been in poor health for the last several years after suffering a series of strokes, Kilroy said.

"He's been fighting the battle for two years," he said. "I'm sure he's in heaven now with all the great fighters. I'd like to hear that conversation."

Norton didn't have long to celebrate his big win over Ali. They fought six months later, and Ali won a split decision.

They met for a third time on Sept. 28, 1976, at Yankee Stadium and Ali narrowly won to keep his heavyweight title.

Norton would come back the next year to win a heavyweight title eliminator and was declared champion by the World Boxing Council when Leon Spinks decided to fight Ali in a rematch instead of facing his mandatory challenger. But on June 9, 1978, he lost a brutal 15-round fight to Holmes in what many regard as one of boxing's epic heavyweight bouts and would never be champion again.

Norton finished with a record of 42-7-1 and 33 knockouts. He would later embark on an acting career, appearing in several movies, and was a commentator at fights.

Former heavyweight champion Mike Tyson, who visited Norton at the veteran's hospital in the Las Vegas suburb of Henderson, tweeted: "Ken Norton was always nice to me even when I was just an amateur fighter. He always treated me like I was somebody. Remarkable man."

Ken Norton Jr. was a linebacker for 13 years in the NFL, playing for Dallas and San Francisco, and coaches the position for the Seahawks. He and his father were estranged for a time in the 1990s before finally reconciling.

Norton always gave his father credit for his career, saying he learned how to train hard by watching him go for early morning runs when he was a child.

"It's been noted that my father and I are on speaking terms and everything's back together now," Norton Jr. said in 1995. "It's part of what I do. No matter what I do, I can't get away from boxing."

Norton, born Aug. 9, 1943, in Jacksonville, Ill., started boxing when he was in the Marines, and began his pro career after his release from duty in 1967. He lost only once in his early fights but had fought few fighters of any note when he was selected to meet Ali.

At the time, Ali was campaigning to try to win back the heavyweight crown he lost to Joe Frazier in 1973.

After that bruising first bout, they faced off two more times, including the final fight at Yankee Stadium on a night when police were on strike and many in the crowd feared for their safety. The fight went 15 rounds and Ali won a decision.

Kilroy said Ali and Norton never had any animosity toward each other and became good friends over the years. Still, Norton always thought he had won all three fights.

Norton would come back in 1977 to win an eliminator against Jimmy Young and was declared champion by the WBC when Spinks was stripped of the title.

His fight against Holmes in 1978 at Caesars Palace was his last big hurrah, with the two heavyweights going back and forth, trading huge blows inside a steamy pavilion in the hotel's back lot. The fight was still up for grabs in the 15th round and both fighters reached inside themselves to deliver one of the more memorable final rounds in heavyweight history.

When the decision was announced, two ringside judges favored Holmes by one point while the third favored Norton by a point.

Norton was badly injured in a near fatal car accident in 1986. He recovered but never regained his full physical mobility.

"The doctors said I would never walk or talk," Norton said at an autograph session in 2011 in Las Vegas, lifting his trademark fedora to show long surgical scars on his bald head.

Kilroy said Norton was visited at the hospital by former fighters, including Tyson, Earnie Shavers and Thomas Hearns.

Norton fought only five more times after losing his title to Holmes. His final fight came Nov. 5, 1981, when he was knocked out in the first round by Gerry Cooney at Madison Square Garden.

Information on services and other survivors was not immediately released by the family.
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:(

I feel for all the guys that fought during that era.
 
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eddfromtheriver

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What's with Chavez jr not being able to make weight?, They've moved the weight limit thrice now... and its still not set. Weigh ins are this friday and the weight limit is still to be set?, how can he be so undisciplined?, i am able to stay within my weight class limit without assistance, that dude should be able to do it with his trainer/nutritionist assistance.

What a disgrace.
 
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eddfromtheriver said:
What's with Chavez jr not being able to make weight?, They've moved the weight limit thrice now... and its still not set. Weigh ins are this friday and the weight limit is still to be set?, how can he be so undisciplined?, i am able to stay within my weight class limit without assistance, that dude should be able to do it with his trainer/nutritionist assistance.

What a disgrace.
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No one involved in the promotion seems to give a shit. Jr brings in the $, so everyone turns a blind eye to it.

Brandon Vera already needed to have Chavez leave in a body bag to win, now he has to make weight and his opponent does not. I'm sure the hush money will be plentiful, but it's a dangerous situation.

Sometimes boxing is a very hard sport to like.
 
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No one involved in the promotion seems to give a shit. Jr brings in the $, so everyone turns a blind eye to it.

Brandon Vera already needed to have Chavez leave in a body bag to win, now he has to make weight and his opponent does not. I'm sure the hush money will be plentiful, but it's a dangerous situation.

Sometimes boxing is a very hard sport to like.
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Yeah, i thought that after his one year leave, he'd come back focused... he's even said so in interviews... well it's clearly not showing. It's probably gonna be a boring fight too... i honestly believe that Omar Chavez is the better fighter out of the two.
 
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ElTopo said:
Finally Deontay Wilder takes the next big step.

Wait, no, sorry, he's actually fighting Nicolai Firtha next.
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Lol. That was the best guy they could find? What a joke.

Also: Cloud needs to move his hands and he's a live dog in there. That said, he'll sleepwalk to a loss. JCCJR isn't losing unless a car runs him over in the middle of the fight. I'll still be cheering for Vera, but it's not gonna happen.
 
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charsace

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Still can't believe it. Those judges better hide. People won big on the fight and the judges robbed them. How the fuck is this fight not at least a split decision? Fucking PBF got a split decision and he dominated.
 
Naked Lunch

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What a waste of an hour of my life. Vera won that fight easily. A complete joke. Those scores were so off its almost like they penned in the score before the fight. Why does this happen in almost every fight anymore? Im ready to stop watching for good.
 
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