wolfwolfwolf
Member
Every punch from Brook just seemed to piss him off more.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Boxing Discussion
- Thread starter cthoaa
- Start date
BLOODED_hands
Member
I'm not sure anymore. Canelo himself is tough. Sure he may be slower than GGG but he is still strong too. We will never know until they fight each other. They really need to since they are both somewhat in their prime. Let's not get another Pac v Mayweather.
lightskintwin
Banned
Canelo does nothing better than Golovkin. The fighter who's going to beat Golovkin will be a guy that's more athletic and more technically skilled than him, and outboxes him like Brook was trying to do. The problem with Brook is he's not a great fighter, he's a good fighter.
EricTheRed
Member
Although you have to respect Kell for doing what he did, I hope this ends the experiment of certain British fighters moving around weight classes after Khan got destroyed and now Brook has been dispatched.
Zvonimir Boban
Banned
Golovkin took Brook's best shots and shrugged them off, the fight was only going to end one way. Exposing your fighter to more punishment than is necessary is both idiotic and negligent.
I applaud Dominic Ingle for having the balls to do the right thing even though he knew he'd get booed for it.
BLOODED_hands
Member
Oh I agree. I got GGG by ko/tko in the later rounds. I'm just saying they really need to fight each other. Canelo needs to stop ducking him. That's the fight fans want. Canelo better not let us down down the line -_-
lightskintwin
Banned
If you're good enough than you can do it, the problem is Khan and Brook aren't good enough. They hadn't even dominated the welterweight division before jumping up. I don't understand the move, when there's plenty of big names and money to be made in welterweight.
Gareth Bale
Member
May have been ahead on the scorecard but he was never going to be able to keep taking the risks he took to win those rounds
Syphon Filter
Member
ggg is 34, canelo would definitely have a chance against him.
Suddenly Canelo is a fighter who's quick and can box off his back foot lol
lightskintwin
Banned
If you already know Golovkin is going to beat him, and your Canelo's team wouldn't you want to make as much money as you can and wait till the last minute to fight Golovkin after he's gotten older and taken more punishment; giving your fighter the best chance at him.
EricTheRed
Member
I'm not going to pretend I'm a boxing expert but to me it seemed as if Eddie Hearn tried to make the best of the situation once the possibility of Eubank Jr/ GGG fell through. Brook did well in the second round but I feared for him every time GGG got within range or backed him against the ropes.
lightskintwin
Banned
I think Canelo's team is banking on the same thing, hence avoiding the fight for now.
Jest Chillin
Member
GGG definitely felt a few of those shots from Brooks. They didn't stun him but he didn't just walk right through them. Generally anytime a fighter acknowledges a shot they took, they felt it.
Brooks might have been able to survive that round but I understand the corners decision. He was just about out on his feet surviving on instinct more than anything else. Watching the round again you can see a big difference in how he's responding to the early swarming attack vs the one that was happening when the towel was thrown. The towel saved him from taking more unessecary damage in my view.
Brooks might have been able to survive that round but I understand the corners decision. He was just about out on his feet surviving on instinct more than anything else. Watching the round again you can see a big difference in how he's responding to the early swarming attack vs the one that was happening when the towel was thrown. The towel saved him from taking more unessecary damage in my view.
Pupperbabysassy
Member
Brook deserved at least one more round to see if he could dig in and come back. I understand the stoppage though. Brook gained a lot in this loss.
Maaaaaardy
Member
Hardly, I don't see Canelo doing anything aside from running like a bitch trying to avoid him at all costs. GGG would handle anyone he's eligible to fight.
lightskintwin
Banned
I understand why they said they did it, but welterweight is stacked with names. Hell Amir Khan vs Kell Brook would've been a massive fight in the UK, and made each of them a ton of money without moving up in weight.
lightskintwin
Banned
Except Ward who his team dodged like the plague and suddenly decided they only want to focus on unifying the Middleweight division, despite wanting to fight Chavez Jr and Froch at Super Middleweight.
Regardless of the towel coming in, that wasn't going to last more than a few rounds anyway.
If GGG is walking through your best punches then it's going to be a short fight. It's a shame for Brook but Golovkin is simply too powerful for him. Brook might have put the weight on but he certainly hasn't been hit like that previously.
I'd like to see Brook take Khan on but I think Khan won't fancy it. Khan thinks he's far better than he actually is.
If GGG is walking through your best punches then it's going to be a short fight. It's a shame for Brook but Golovkin is simply too powerful for him. Brook might have put the weight on but he certainly hasn't been hit like that previously.
I'd like to see Brook take Khan on but I think Khan won't fancy it. Khan thinks he's far better than he actually is.
EricTheRed
Member
I prefer Eddie to his Dad lol!
I guess the money on the table was too much to turn down so they cobbled together the best plan b they could. I would love to see Khan vs Brook but Khan has become a bit of a joke IMO over the last few years. Fighting very sporadically, on his own terms and more often than not getting banged out. I don't think he has it in him to face someone like Brook.
UrbanDandy
Member
Looks like Froch was wrong.
BLOODED_hands
Member
Yup and that's exactly what they are doing. Do I blame them? Yes and no. Yes from a business perspective and no from a fan's perspective. A damn shame ain't it lightskintwin? But it's whatever. I don't know if anybody wants to step up to the plate and fight GGG.
Zvonimir Boban
Banned
Dude, he was done.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Stunned? No. He was never stunned.. but damn he got hit super clean but he never once looked the least bit shaken at all.
GGG said it himself, early in the 1st he felt Brooks best and had no respect for his punches... he fought a stupid fight trying to KO him quick. If he felt danger he wouldn't have left himself so open.
I agree with Max 100%.... Kell wanted out as much as that was stopped.
Khan called out Brook when the GGG fight got announced, Khan will now just shut up again.
True! still comes off as a slime ball though.
lightskintwin
Banned
Khan has elite talent, but a glass jaw that will forever fail him. Plus his style does him no favors since it's very offense oriented leaving him very liable on defense. If Khan was brought up being trained in a style usually associated with defensive African American fighters that focuses on technical skill, athleticism, and footwork while taking the least amount of punishment, Khan could've very well have hid his glass jaw, still be undefeated, and be a massive superstar. Khan's hand speed is incredible. Such a waste of talent.
It's going to happen next year. The Mexican fanbase won't allow him to go another year without manning up and fighting Golovkin.
Syphon Filter
Member
No, he go exposed in this fight by a fighter that is normally lower in class. Canelo would beat him.
He definitely wanted out, but it also really looked like he had a fractured orbital or something along those lines. If he couldn't see, it was dangerous sending him out there.
EricTheRed
Member
That's an interesting take on Khan. Do you think he was surrounded by the wrong trainers or is he just flawed mentally and not able to stick to instructions/ a game plan?
I used to be quite a big Khan fan (I went to see his fight against Diaz live) but have soured on him quite a bit recently.
On another note, Eddie Hearn was trying to claim Brook was ahead on the scorecards when the fight was stopped! Surely not?!
You know when a boxer says they were never hurt in a fight what they actually mean is they were hurt. And he was hurt by shots. And as for trying to KO him quick well that is GGG. He has always been open to shots but he has a good chin and relies on pressure and punch power.
lightskintwin
Banned
Canelo isn't Brook and they don't share the same athletic attributes, technical ability, nor fighting style.
Please explain in detail how Canelo would beat Golovkin? Can you list one thing that Canelo does better than Golovkin whether it's a technical skill, athletically, or even an intangible such as having more heart, etc...? I'll wait.
DOBERMAN INC
Member
Definitely. He's similar to Eubank Jr in that he knows how to play the game for publicity. Straight after this fight ended Eubank Jr tweeted Golovkin saying he wanted the fight and that he team didn't have towels, conviently forgetting that they also don't have pens they can use to sign contracts with either LOL.
Agree. All week he's looked a bit off and tonight he carried the vibe of a man who just wanted to get it done and fuck off home. Once he realised he wasn't going to be seriously hurt he just wanted to march forward and try and knock Brooks head off. After the fight he said Brook wasn't a natural at the weight and the punches were like training.
Yeah Brook was ahead. He was making GGG miss and landing his shots. He was probably ahead by a round.
BLOODED_hands
Member
EricTheRed
Member
Just goes to show how subjective scoring a boxing match can be then I guess!
BadAss2961
Member
It's not unusual for GGG to get hit a lot and take big shots. He takes them very well and eventually pounds his opponent into submission. Canelo has a shot, but I see GGG forcing him into an action fight. Trading punches, which quickly ends badly for everyone against GGG.
BLOODED_hands
Member
Exactly. Canelo is tough but everybody eventually falls to GGG's punches. Dude is just too good.
lightskintwin
Banned
It's easy for me to say it, in retrospect. The truth is, there was no way in knowing that at the elite level his chin would be a problem until he got there, because Khan was an incredibly successful at the amateur level and even during the pros. It didn't really rear it's ugly head until the Breidis Prescott fight. Even with the chin issue, let's not forget he still won 2 titles at Jr. Welterweight, and beat good fighters in Andriy Kotelnik, Zab Judah, Paulie Malignaggi, Devon Alexander, Marcos Maidana, and despite getting the official loss to Lamont Peterson, I thought Khan won that fight. So he's still had a pretty decent career.
Syphon Filter
Member
What you described is exactly what canelo likes too though and he has the age advantage.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
I gave Brook only Round 2, but that's a huge misrepresentation of him tonight. He was great. I was legit surprised by him. Corner did the right thing. Brook's eye was completely fucked. Golovkin's got that scary mix of brute strength and iron chin. Still he fought kinda sloppy. Dude was obviously mad after Round 2 and wanted to cut Brook down like a dead tree.
EricTheRed
Member
Yeah hindsight is a wonderful thing. It is easy to forget that he has had a good career and has beaten some good names. Just disappointing when he could of gone down as one of the all-time greats. And doubly frustrating that his ego seems to be getting in the way of some of the more intriguing potential match ups he has left.
lightskintwin
Banned
Well taking the Canelo fight was stupid. He could've made good million dollar paydays at welterweight fighting guys he had better chances at winning such as a Danny Garcia rematch, Adrian Broner, Keith Thurman, Kell Brook, Timothy Bradley, Manny Pacquaio, etc...
DeadOnions
Member
Brook put on a great performance and hopefully his stock has raised a bit now but as much as I hoped for an upset I knew it would never happen.
Really hope Golovkin can get the Saunders fight now though but it is highly unlikely. Saunders won't even fight Eubank again.
Really hope Golovkin can get the Saunders fight now though but it is highly unlikely. Saunders won't even fight Eubank again.