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TheCardPlayer said:
Pacquaio agreed to 2 days before the fight. Last time he was tested 24 hours before a fight was against Morales and it drained him silly. He doesn't want that to happen again. Mayweather just doesn't want the fight to happen.

He'll probably fight Ivan Calderon or something. Since you know, Mayweather as a welterweight doesn't fight welterweights. He LOVES picking on smaller fighters. You know, because challenge is bad?

2 days and 24 hours before doesn't accomplish shit. They want to know if he is doing it during his training to get up to the weights he fights in. And Pac trying to claim getting blood drawn 2 days before a fight "drains him silly" is just as much bullshit as anything PBF's camp is saying. They are both full of shit. Its got nothing to do with one guy wanting to fight or not wanting to fight. Its all posturing. Its bullshit. This is what happens when you give the fighters and their crooked promoters all the power.
 
Wow, the Mayweather fans are awake and the Pacquiao fans are sleeping!

ANyways, with Pacman suing camp Mayweather for slander, here's the big thing; he is going to get blood tested

We all need to remember, there is only one person who explicitly said Pacquiao is on 'roids, and that's Mayweather Snr, not Jnr, not Cotto, not Hatton, not Diaz, not Moralez, not De LaHoya..none of them.

Pacquiao hasn't had a huge jump in weight over the past few years, Pacquaio isn't covered head to toe in tattoos, he has a few and he had time to rest. Pacquiao said when he last had his blood test 24hrs before the fight was extremly weak, and he said that ages ago.

But soon the Mayweather fans sleep, and the Pacquiao fans will awaken!

ps. I still think he shouldn't take the tests as there has been no official suspicion. If camp Mayweather take their "scientific" findings for Pacman being on 'roids, to the boxing authorities, and THEY SAY PACMAN HAS TO TAKE A BLOOD TEST..then that's fine..but other than that..fuck this pussy shit
 

TheCardPlayer

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So Mayweather's camp got until tomorrow to accept or refuse the fight. Of course, we all know Mayweather will duck, yet again.

Pacquaio's camp agree to any blood and urine tests, as long as they aren't performed by Mayweather's cronies. But yeah, Floyd will obviously cancel the fight since ducking good fighters is what he does best.
 

harSon

Banned
What are you talking about? Mayweather's camp is open to another organization outside of the they recommended to do the testing, the only thing they want is the blood/urine testing to be unscheduled and relatively frequent.
 

oneHeero

Member
harSon said:
What are you talking about? Mayweather's camp is open to another organization outside of the they recommended to do the testing, the only thing they want is the blood/urine testing to be unscheduled and relatively frequent.
Which is just mayweather finding a way out of the fight. He never ask anyone else for one, yet we have it now. Plus Pacquio is following the rules, yet we want more added for no reason. I'm all for a legit fight, but not when there's no cause for concern.
 

harSon

Banned
oneHeero said:
Which is just mayweather finding a way out of the fight. He never ask anyone else for one, yet we have it now. Plus Pacquio is following the rules, yet we want more added for no reason. I'm all for a legit fight, but not when there's no cause for concern.

Pacquiao has been difficult every step of the way of this proposed match, all he has to do is agree to additional testing and he's guaranteed a $50 million pay day and a shot at solidifying a position within boxing history.
 

TheCardPlayer

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harSon said:
Pacquiao has been difficult every step of the way of this proposed match, all he has to do is agree to additional testing and he's guaranteed a $50 million pay day and a shot at solidifying a position within boxing history.

WHAT?

Pacquiaio is the one that wanted this fight. Mayweather is the one, who's been making shit up to stall/cancel the whole thing. The man is a master ducker.
 

harSon

Banned
TheCardPlayer said:
WHAT?

Pacquiaio is the one that wanted this fight. Mayweather is the one, who's been making shit up to stall/cancel the whole thing. The man is a master ducker.

Pacquiao bitched about the fight being to soon, claiming 4 months was not enough time to recover from a one sided bout and prepare for another fight. Nevermind the fact that it's Pacquiao's excuse of running for congressional office in the Phillipenes that is the main factor in the match being rushed.

Mayweather agreed to take a $10million deduction for every pound he comes in overweight, an unheard of figure.

Mayweather originally wanted the fight to be at Jr. Middleweight with 10-ounce gloves, but agreed to do the fight at 147 with 8-ounce gloves like the Pacquiao camp wanted.

Mayweather asks for Olympic style testing. Pacquiao says he's afraid of needles and reacts badly to blood being drawn, they ask for blood testing 30+ days before the match and directly after but experts say it's absolutely useless for any kind of anti dope testing.

Mayweather retracts his demands and says that his camp is down for alternative organizations to do the testing, as long as the blood/urine tests are unscheduled and not infrequent. The Pacquiao camp finds this unsatisfactory and sets a one day deadline for the Mayweather camp to come to agreement with them, if they don't, they'll put a Pacquiao-Malignaggi fight in motion.

Is there something I'm missing? Sounds like the Pacquiao camp has been the difficult side of this exchange.
 

dem

Member
I'm not a big Mayweather fan... but I'd put the blame on Manny.


Why not take the blood test if he's clean? It shouldn't be any sweat off his balls.
The idea that the blood test is going to weaken Pac is ridiculous.
 
oneHeero said:
Which is just mayweather finding a way out of the fight. He never ask anyone else for one, yet we have it now. Plus Pacquio is following the rules, yet we want more added for no reason. I'm all for a legit fight, but not when there's no cause for concern.

He never has asked anyone else because nobody else has moved up in weight so efficiently as Pacman has.

Why does everyone assume that Floyd has no reason to ask for this testing? They aren't hiding it...they don't buy the fact that he can move up 7 different divisions and keep knocking dudes out.

I don't think he's roided really, but this is fucking bullshit. Good job Arum, piece of shit.
 
TheCardPlayer said:
WHAT?

Pacquiaio is the one that wanted this fight. Mayweather is the one, who's been making shit up to stall/cancel the whole thing. The man is a master ducker.

Fuck this shit....If Pac fights Paul Malignaggi (A fighter that has also accused him of being juiced up) then he has accomplished the greatest duck of all time. His future is in his hands, take the damn test (That floyd has already compromised on) or duck, no excuses.

Bob Arum is DESPERATELY trying to protect his top earner.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
:lol @ people really believing the fight won't happen. This is just nonsense hype.
 

kIdMuScLe

Member
shit i was waiting for the De La Hoya/mayweather rematch and then the next thing i hear fucking pussy ass mayweather fucking retires... fuckin punk ass ducker...
 

harSon

Banned
kIdMuScLe said:
shit i was waiting for the De La Hoya/mayweather rematch and then the next thing i hear fucking pussy ass mayweather fucking retires... fuckin punk ass ducker...

So De La Hoya could take the money and quit?
 

kIdMuScLe

Member
harSon said:
So De La Hoya could take the money and quit?

hey, i believed in my mind that DLH won the fight against mayweather until he inexplicably stopped throwing punches after round 9 and then it became a walk around the ring. so yea, i was looking for the rematch... i forgot who DLH fought after mayweather though.
 

TheCardPlayer

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Congrats to Paulie Malignaggi for taking on Pacquiao. The man deserves my respect. Now I wonder who will Mayweather duck next?
 

TheCardPlayer

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harSon said:
How about refuting my posts rooted in actual facts before spouting off bullshit?

How bout you get off Mayweather's balls? Bitch asked for tests unheard of,in the sport after weeks of weak arguments about gloves and ring size, and everything else in between.

He got beat by Castillo and got a free decision, and DLH was beating his ass until he stopped midway in the fight to punch his own cashcow.

Mayweather is a fraud. The end.
 
The only thing I don't like about the whole situation is how Pacman is already arranging another fight. WTF? You honestly cant attempt to work the situation out between your camps for more then a few days? Your in the midst of a potential $40+ million dollar purse fight and your honestly lining up a match within a few days of blood test negotiations? Just sounds weird to me.
 
kIdMuScLe said:
shit i was waiting for the De La Hoya/mayweather rematch and then the next thing i hear fucking pussy ass mayweather fucking retires... fuckin punk ass ducker...

Really? You wanted to see a rematch to this? Not only that, but you feel so strongly about it that you think that Floyds retirement was because he was afraid of a rematch? C'mon man, I mean, I was sorta interested in a rematch I guess but it wasn't a particularly interesting fight and I don't really feel as though the first one ended with either man still having much to prove. Of all the fights to complain about Floyd not taking, this is definitely the bottom barrel of the list.

kIdMuScLe said:
hey, i believed in my mind that DLH won the fight against mayweather until he inexplicably stopped throwing punches after round 9 and then it became a walk around the ring. so yea, i was looking for the rematch... i forgot who DLH fought after mayweather though.

Not uncommon for De La Hoya...he has been and always will be a 10 rounder at best, most of his loses result from him not having enough in the tank for the end of the fight.
 
TheCardPlayer said:
Congrats to Paulie Malignaggi for taking on Pacquiao. The man deserves my respect. Now I wonder who will Mayweather duck next?

:lol :lol :lol

I'm watching the Diaz/Jersey Shore rematch right now and for the life of me I don't see how you can defend this.

If this is how it's going to be then Floyd really should fight Matthew Hatton...:lol
 

harSon

Banned
Liara T'Soni said:
:lol :lol :lol

I'm watching the Diaz/Jersey Shore rematch right now and for the life of me I don't see how you can defend this.

If this is how it's going to be then Floyd really should fight Matthew Hatton...:lol

It would seriously be one of the most one sided title fights in recent memory. Malignaggi's only chance to win the fight would be points considering the dude has ZERO punching power.
 
Liara T'Soni said:
:lol :lol :lol

I'm watching the Diaz/Jersey Shore rematch right now and for the life of me I don't see how you can defend this.

If this is how it's going to be then Floyd really should fight Matthew Hatton...:lol

and I thought I was the only one who thought of this reference.... :lol
 
harSon said:
It would seriously be one of the most one sided title fights in recent memory. Malignaggi's only chance to win the fight would be points considering the dude has ZERO punching power.

Aside from zero punching power, the dude is a fucking CLOWN. People who bitched about Floyd fighting JMM have no ground to stand on with this one. This is the greatest handpicked fight that I can imagine either camp making.

And Malignaggi has openly accused Pacquiao of juicing up. Floyds camp tries to handle this professionally in a way that absolves both sides of any wrongdoings and he is taken to court. Jersey Shore runs his mouth left and right and it results in a fight.


http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article.php?aid=18981

MALIGNAGGI: IF PACQUIAO TAKES THE TEST, I'LL BECOME HIS #1 FAN
By G. Leon

GL: Lots of talk about you fighting Pacquiao if the Mayweather fight collapses. Can you give us your thoughts on this and how it came about? "I just got some phone calls and I started hearing some things and it's an exciting prospect."

GL: It's no secret that you've said some things about Pacquiao. Do you have a new position on Pacquiao? What is your opinion on the legitimacy of Manny Pacquiao fights?

Paul Malignaggi: "I gave my opinion, it's my opinion an I feel the same way. That being said, I have full confidence in the drug testing procedures of the Nevada Commission and that they will conduct the proper testing. At the end of the day, they were my observations and my opinions. Let's keep in mind that Manny Pacquiao has never failed a drug test. But there are certain things I have observed him that have led me to my opinions."

GL: Yet you're still willing to fight him, under the full jurisdiction of Vegas.

PM: "Yeah. But I just can't see how over a drug test Manny Pacquiao is going to turn down a fight with Mayweather and $40M. It's cool to have my name in the mix, but at the end of the day, how do you not fight a fight like this over a test? Look, if they can't make it happen, Manny Pacquiao will have his hands full with me. Let's not forget, I possess a style that he hasn't had to deal with yet. I can box, I can match his speed, I'm not flat-footed, and I'm a constantly improving fighter each time I fight with
Sherif Younan. But if he's on something how do you catch him if you don't do the proper testing? Listen, at the end of the day a lot of evidence shows you he could be on something. The only way you can know for sure if he gets the proper testing. The fact that he's willing to risk it all and leave a fight like this on the table makes it more fishy. I'm a pro-athlete. I'm going to put it to you like this, if I worked that hard and achieved all that in my career and people questioned the integrity that I have an how I achieved, I'd be willing to take those tests because I would want to leave no doubt that I did all this naturally. As an athlete I would be in a rush to clear my name and the fact that he's avoiding it, is the opposite of how any athlete should have reacted. Any athlete who was probably guilty would act that way in my opinion, it seems a little strange to me. It's seems a little strange to me."

GL: Strager than a 40 year old Bernard Hopkins dominating light heavyweight after 21 middleweight defenses?

PM: "But Bernard Hopkins doesn't get hit clean against monster punchers moving up in weight. Manny Pacquiao is going up in weight and he's literally walking through people. He's not a defensive specialist...

GL: (cutting in) "Other than Cotto, who did he walk though? What did he do that was so unusual?

PM: "Do you see the way the guy does anything against these big men?"

GL: De La Hoya was supposedly a dead man in the ring because he didn't gain any weight from the weigh-in.

PM: How do you know? The year before he gave Mayweather a very tough fight."


GL: That was 54 and he wasn't bone dry.

PM: "Even the David Diaz fight. Diaz is not an elite fighter, but that was a fight that Diaz fought back in. Pacquiao didn't show any extra skills, he's just walked through a bigger guy. Roy Jones kept going up in weight and outskilled guys. If he was outskilling them, to me it would be different. It's just my opinion based on what I'm seeing. This is the first guy I've ever seen been able to walk through bigger men and it seems strange to me."
 
Away for xmas and unsurprisingly the Pacman / Pretty Boy bout is fecked. :lol

I'm sure there is plenty to this under the hood, but my observations are as follows:-

1. Team Pacman were idiotic to have signed a contract that had random blood testing in it then renege - they simply shouldn't have signed the contract without bottoming out all the drug testing points BEFORE signing. I can understand why Manny himself does not want to be the 1st professional boxer ever to have to be blood tested by an agency that HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PROFESSIONAL BOXING simply because Team Mayweather is fucking with him, however his team let him down badly by signing the contract.

2. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Pacman must be juicing because he went from 106 to 147? Mayweather went from 106 to 154! Talk about pot meets kettle.

3. Surely a change in drug-testing procedures should be applied across the sport as opposed to a single fight? Why should Manny be the 1st (and only) boxer to have this stipulated in a contract. Mopre than anything else this makes the world boxing organisations look like utter CLOWNS (which they have been for a long time).

4. Why didn't Team Mayweather want random drug-testing for the JMM fight?

5. Why would Team Maywether ever fight under the Nevada Commission's jurisdiction when they obviously have serious issues with their drug-testing procedures?

Both sides are at it in this fight, from Team Mayweather's slander and ego-fuelled 'I'll make up my own rules' approach, to Team Pacquiao's inability to understand non-standard contract terms that have subsequently made their boxer look foolish.

After signing the contract, Manny and his team only had one option - KTFO of PBF in the ring, and there would be no possible come back about steroids or anything.

All the arguments regarding the drug-testing themselves (which I think PBF and his team have been seriously underhanded about - drug-testing should be handled by a sports governing body, and should be applied fairly to all boxers, not just the ones that PBF wants to play mind-games with) are actually MOOT, becaue Team Pacquaio SIGNED THE CONTRACT AND SUBSEQUENTLY RENEGED.
 
harSon said:
Pacquiao bitched about the fight being to soon, claiming 4 months was not enough time to recover from a one sided bout and prepare for another fight. Nevermind the fact that it's Pacquiao's excuse of running for congressional office in the Phillipenes that is the main factor in the match being rushed.

I'd like to know where you heard this? As the post Cotto interview had Pacman saying he was ready to fight again in a few months, even though he had a broken bone in his ear area after the Cotto fight
 

eggandI

Banned
Battersea Power Station said:
Jesus, man. Everyone here is so hateful. Aren't you ashamed that you're giving boxing a bad reputation?
Yeah this thread is worse than some boxing forums and that's saying a lot. Some of the clowns in this thread man I tell ya..

I want this fight to happen so bad. Pacquiao should just do it for his fans. And the money. That's $40mill, man. Boxing needs this fight.
 

harSon

Banned
Mecha_Infantry said:
I'd like to know where you heard this? As the post Cotto interview had Pacman saying he was ready to fight again in a few months, even though he had a broken bone in his ear area after the Cotto fight

It was the first thing to come out of the proposed fight
 

SUPREME1

Banned
TheCardPlayer said:
So Mayweather's camp got until tomorrow to accept or refuse the fight. Of course, we all know Mayweather will duck, yet again.

Pacquaio's camp agree to any blood and urine tests, as long as they aren't performed by Mayweather's cronies. But yeah, Floyd will obviously cancel the fight since ducking good fighters is what he does best.



Pound for pound!
 

TheCardPlayer

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Golden Boy Promotions just admitted that Pacquiao was blood tested before the Hatton fight...and was clean as a whistle for anything.

:lol :lol :lol :lol

They knew Pacquiao wasn't on any drugs but still talked shit since Mayweather was scared shitless. So good.
 

Darkman M

Member
TheCardPlayer said:
Golden Boy Promotions just admitted that Pacquiao was blood tested before the Hatton fight...and was clean as a whistle for anything.

:lol :lol :lol :lol

They knew Pacquiao wasn't on any drugs but still talked shit since Mayweather was scared shitless. So good.



Do you honestly believe this?
 

Anduron

Member
TheCardPlayer said:
Golden Boy Promotions just admitted that Pacquiao was blood tested before the Hatton fight...and was clean as a whistle for anything.

:lol :lol :lol :lol

They knew Pacquiao wasn't on any drugs but still talked shit since Mayweather was scared shitless. So good.


Did you glaze over the rest of the article which disputes half the crap you've written in this thread? Honestly, your fanboy shit is annoying, get over yourself.

http://www.ringtv.com/blog/1470/mayweathergolden_boy_set_the_record_straight/
 
Francinium said:
Did you glaze over the rest of the article which disputes half the crap you've written in this thread? Honestly, your fanboy shit is annoying, get over yourself.

http://www.ringtv.com/blog/1470/mayweathergolden_boy_set_the_record_straight/

That's a Golden Boy PR, not legitimate journalism.

As things stand, I've heard it's on. It was off when Steve kim left the WC gym to write his article with PBF fighting Malignaggi and Pac fighting Foreman but a boxing journo I know reckons he got to the gym a few hours after Kim left and it was back on again.

I can't see the fight not happening, too much money involved.
 

dem

Member
Cotto on Pac..

After all the friendship and sports comradeship that existed between Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao for their 2009 mega fight this past November 14th in Las Vegas, Cotto was dismayed with Manny Pacquiao’s position towards the proposal for Olympic type drug testing requested by Floyd Mayweather. “I am in complete awe with Manny’s reaction to this matter. He has always been a great athlete and a gentleman. Why in the world would he require restrictions or conditions for the tests? It is a golden opportunity for him to dissipate all worldwide rumors surrounding his figure and the use of enhancement drugs. His refusal to commit to the tests without conditions raises questions. Olympic type drug testing is the most efficient tool for the sport to secure fair play. My recommendation to all boxing authorities in the world is to implement it across the board. I would agree to it without hesitation or reservations. It is the only way to ensure that the outcome of a bout is the strict result of conditioning and ability. To magnify your talent with drugs is repulsive,” Miguel Cotto stated.


I totally agree


Pac gave blood 14 days before the Hatton fight for HIV/HEP tests..
Now he is scared?
bitch please
 

otake

Doesn't know that "You" is used in both the singular and plural
I've always suspected most boxers to be on steroids. Back when Paquio was fighting the mexicans, amazing fights, I though everyone involved was on roids.

Paquio is inhuman, he doesn't slow down despite going for 12 rounds. I don't like Mayweather any better, but I'm on his side on this one. Why the theatrics if he has nothing to be afraid of?

Unless, of course, the intent is to build hype. In that case, good job ladies!
 

dem

Member
Pac has now filed a defamation suit against the Mayweathers... De La Hoya..



coming off like a bitch..

When you look bad in a pr spat with Floyd.. youre doing something very wrong.
 
coming off like a bitch..

When you look bad in a pr spat with Floyd.. youre doing something very wrong.

I disagree - read the actual defamation suit document:-

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/images/mpac.pdf

Key quote in this IMHO:-

Furthermore, Pacquiao agreed to submit to any tests ordered by the Nevada Athletic Commission, the body with jurisdiction over the fight. This level of scrutiny would be unprecedented in professional prize fighting.

The thing that still isn't clear to me is EXACTLY what was stipulated in the contract for the fight agreed by GBP and Top Rank regarding 'Olympic-style drug testing' but the above quote makes it very clear that Pacquaio has no issues taking ANY tests ordered by the Nevada Athletic Commission. So it really depends on whether the contract stipulated an outside agency or not - based on the above defamation suit, I am guessing that the contract between GBP and Top Rank did not identify the agency and Top Rank and Manny assumed it would be the NAC.

Based on all the quotes and evidence in the document, I think Pacman has a decent case for libel and defamation, and I understand why he is reluctant to agree to any tests where the agency may be controlled by GBP - whether justified or not it's clear to me that Pacquiao and his team suspect that any tests that were done by some external agency may be tampered with in some way - and by some of the quotes in the suit I wouldn't put it past Schaefer to pull some strings to ensure Pacman tests positive.

Scaefer is a complete dirty sleekit snake. I'm disapointed with Oscar in this though, I can only think that Schaefer and Mayweather have played to his ego and convinced him that Manny was and is juicing.

It's pretty damning and apparent that Mayweather and GBP have set out to regain the P4P #1 WITHOUT having to step into the ring.
 
Pac takes no issue with NSAC testing... because they don't do blood tests afaik.

But his statement in the defamation document and other statements issued by Top Rank says they are OK with ANY tests being done by the NSAC up to 4-5 days before the fight.

But the key point is that the body with jurisdiction should be making the laws, not Team Mayweather.

The easiest solution to this is pretty clear, and both parties should have NO issues:-

1. NSAC administer random blood and urine tests to both fighters up to 5 days before the fight, with a blood test to be administered after the fight. There should be a maximum cap on the amount of blood - maybe a max of 5 separate blood samples.

2. This new procedure is adopted by the NSAC for ALL subsequent fights under it's control.

5 days is more than adequate IMO.

If either camp was not happy with this then they are suspect.
 
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