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Nemesis121
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Wish i could see it 
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(polyh3dron
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Fuck you Clottey.
the_log_ride
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BigKaboom2 said:
That Clottey defense has me so wet right now
Ninja Scooter
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Clottey's a fuckin joke. Why even show up? Any number of stand in sparring partners could have put up a better performance. I can appreciate defensive minded fighters like Hopkins, PBF, Winky Wright, but what Clottey did tonight was not a defensive minded fight because he didn't come to fight.
Ninja Scooter
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i want to see Paqman vs Brock Lesnar next.
TheCardPlayer
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Pacman again, proved that he's the best fighter on the planet. Clottey couldn't do anything. Seriously, Mayweather won't want any of this. Goddamn, Pacquiao is beastly.
Ninja Scooter
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TheCardPlayer said:
I don't see how anyone can watch this and decide that Mayweather wouldn't want any. Clottey didn't even try to fight. You might as well have been watching Paq fight a punching bag.
BigKaboom2
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20% connect percentage is ridiculous for the top P4P guy. He's almost certainly just taking advantage of the stupid judges that score based entirely on punches thrown, even though he has the skills to win while still being accurate. Compubox said he landed 246 but I'm pretty sure at least 150 of those were glancing body shots that did minimal damage. He's better than this performance; he's just used to pummeling guys who refuse to keep their hands up.
TheCardPlayer
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Ninja Scooter said:
Clottey is a very good fighter, and he came to fight. But a defensive style against Pacman is just cruising for a beating.
Marvie_3 said:
:lol :lol
Ninja Scooter
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TheCardPlayer said:
that wasn't a "defensive style". That was a "i just want to collect a check and not get KO'd" style. Hell he didn't even get a "beating". He just stood there and absorbed shots, with a few of them occasionally landing. Dude looked less beat up than Paq did.
Epsilon-delta
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Ninja Scooter said:
Apparently you don't know anything about boxing. When you have a relentless power puncher pounding on your ribcage non-stop (especially in the opening rounds) you tend not to fight back because your ribcage is on fire.
Body shots demoralize fighters and make them go turtle, nothing new here.
x Power Pad Death Stomp x
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Pac vs Mosely would be a fantastic fight. Shane will come to fight.
Complete turd of a fight from Clottey. I thought he was feeling it out a bit at first, but that was horrible. Off to ESPN2 with you Clottey!
Complete turd of a fight from Clottey. I thought he was feeling it out a bit at first, but that was horrible. Off to ESPN2 with you Clottey!
Ninja Scooter
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huacst21 said:
there is a big difference between what Clottey was doing and what somebody like PBF or Hopkins does. Thats what I am trying to say. I don't see how anyone can watch Clottey shit it up out there and draw any conclusions on a potential Floyd/Manny fight from that.
Probably one of the worst fights I've seen in quite a while.
Clottey has been running on idle since the second half of the Cotto fight. All of those fist pounds and hugs in between rounds was ridiculous, I wouldn't be surprised if he has Pacquiao posters around his room. And the announcers... I'm pretty sure everyone but Steward wanted to jump in the ring and give Pacquiao a blowjob, the amount of slurping taking place for such a horrific fight was ridiculous.
Having said that, I came away from the fight 100% confident that Mayweather would beat him. While Pacquiao's fight with Clottey was one sided, he was basically unable to touch him. The openings for Clottey were there on a consistent basis, but he was reluctant to take a swing at his idol and isn't fast enough to put together anything more then 1-2 punches without getting hit. Mayweather is the best defensive boxer in the sport and his speed is unmatched, it's a bad match up for Pacquiao imo.
Clottey has been running on idle since the second half of the Cotto fight. All of those fist pounds and hugs in between rounds was ridiculous, I wouldn't be surprised if he has Pacquiao posters around his room. And the announcers... I'm pretty sure everyone but Steward wanted to jump in the ring and give Pacquiao a blowjob, the amount of slurping taking place for such a horrific fight was ridiculous.
Having said that, I came away from the fight 100% confident that Mayweather would beat him. While Pacquiao's fight with Clottey was one sided, he was basically unable to touch him. The openings for Clottey were there on a consistent basis, but he was reluctant to take a swing at his idol and isn't fast enough to put together anything more then 1-2 punches without getting hit. Mayweather is the best defensive boxer in the sport and his speed is unmatched, it's a bad match up for Pacquiao imo.
BigKaboom2 said:
I think that says more about Clottey's fight plan than Manny's. If Clottey put his hands down and decided to trade it would be over. If you are making the argument that Manny has only faced tin cans, I'd only give you David Diaz. Pacquiao blocked a ton of Clottey's punches in the 2nd half aside from a few very good uppercut flurries. At what point do you say that the 100 or so body punches (even if glancing) had an effect on Clottey's offensive output? Pacquiao may not be the P4P, but he's going to have to lose big for me to not consider him a candidate at the very least.
Epsilon-delta
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Ninja Scooter said:
Well Manny had to fight somebody to keep him from getting ring rusty.
Baby Milo said:
Clottey actually traded with his other opponents though. I do agree than Manny isn't the fastest puncher. I think Clottey and Mayweather punch faster from a standing position. I do, however, think that Manny is a good puncher while moving and from insane positions. People do not let your opinion of fans cloud your judgement of a fighter. If Jim Lampley dick sucking gets on your nerves watch the fight on mute.
Ninja Scooter
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huacst21 said:
True, and im not criticizing Manny. He fought a great fight and did what he could against a guy that did not want to fight back.
Epsilon-delta
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see5harp said:
Bingo, finally some real boxing fans here at GAF. Clottey knew if he decided to trade, he would have been KTFO.
Manny even tried to let Clottey trade with him but the man didn't want to. So he turtled and accepted his defeat from the get go from the opening rounds.
friskykillface
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thanks for the link
but zzzzzzzzzzzzzz at Manny vs. turtle fight :/ what a shitty fight
but zzzzzzzzzzzzzz at Manny vs. turtle fight :/ what a shitty fight
Epsilon-delta
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Ninja Scooter said:
Clottey was a negative fighter in this fight, no doubt about it but you can attribute that to the hellacious body shots he absorbed from Manny.
Just because a guy doesn't show he's hurt, it doesn't mean he isn't. :lol
talisayNon
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Wow did I seriously just waste my night for that? Absolute piss.
BigKaboom2
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I'm saying Manny intentionally throws flurries that he knows won't land, because he knows the judges will ooh and ahh no matter what. He's perfectly capable of fighting a normal fight where he exploits actual openings instead of just teeing off on the other guy's guard, but he hasn't had to do that since the last JMM fight. Diaz, De La Hoya, Hatton, and Cotto were/are not nearly skilled enough defensively to deal with his barrages, and it's kind of silly that he had no need to try to adapt to Clottey's stellar defense because of the aforementioned judges giving him round after round as his connect percentage plummets further and further.see5harp said:
EDIT: And as said above, anyone who thinks Clottey should have thrown ~1000 punches ("coming to fight") needs to watch some old Pacquiao fights.
Usually Manny takes the first round or two to get settled and feel his opponent out. Rounds 1 and 2 were ok to me....at that point I was okay with Clottey shelling up to get his timing down. I think his trainer told him to get active around the midpoint. It does seem like he just didn't want to endure any punishment upstairs. I don't think he took any punishment to the head aside from glancing blows. If you like counter punchers that don't take punishment, then Mayweather is your guy. Manny is a output power puncher that for whatever reason seems to enjoy getting hit...if that's your thing then that's your thing.
Epsilon-delta
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Norante said:
Pac did the smartest thing you can do when someone is physically bigger than you, pound on the body and keep pounding.
On top of that, he has power to go with it. I'm sure Clottey is feeling it right now and will tomorrow morning as well.
BigKaboom2 said:
Ring generalship is part of the judging. If Pacquiao didn't throw 100 punches a round, he wouldn't be Pacquiao. Connect percentage isn't even part of the judging man. Clean effective punching is worth something, but not when you aren't hurting your opponent or controlling the fight. High punch output, regardless of connect percentage, is part of Pacquiao's game. Why do you think Clottey was so defensive the entire fight?
TheDrowningMan
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Pacquiao has a great chance of beating Mayweather. DeMarcus Corley and Zab Judah are less than stellar but unorthodox fighters who connected well on Mayweather (Corley hurt him fairly badly and Judah knocked him down) and Jose Luis Castillo downright beat him with pressure in their first encounter. Pacquiao has speed, he has power, he has an extremely unorthodox style and he pressures the fuck out of everyone he faces.
If Mayweather wins it will be an incredibly dull fight. He'll need to potshot and literally run away, being even more negative than usual, single shots all the way. If Pacquiao is able to pressure him into doing the rope thing he's going to get caught badly - certainly, he wouldn't be given the opportunity to recover that he was against the mediocre Corley.
If Mayweather wins it will be an incredibly dull fight. He'll need to potshot and literally run away, being even more negative than usual, single shots all the way. If Pacquiao is able to pressure him into doing the rope thing he's going to get caught badly - certainly, he wouldn't be given the opportunity to recover that he was against the mediocre Corley.
BigKaboom2
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He threw 619 against JMM the second time and 694 against Barrera before that. It's a fairly recent development. Getting 80+ percent of your punches blocked is not part of ring generalship. I'm not arguing that he shouldn't do it, I'm arguing that the judges shouldn't reward him for it.see5harp said:
BigKaboom2 said:
So you think that Clottey won the fight (or more than a few rounds at most)? Come on man, there's a difference between liking a fighter's style and reality. I didn't even look at the punch stats, but its pretty obvious after watching the fight that Pacquiao landed more punches total. It doesn't matter whether he threw 3 times as many punches total.