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SSGMUN10000

Connoisseur Of Tedium
XiaNaphryz said:
Wait, why are there two boxing threads again?
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There is isn't. This is the official thread and then there is always a thread for big main events for both boxing/mma.

As for JMM-Diaz II I am not sure if I am excited about the fight. Sure it was entertaining but JMM KOed Diaz pretty bad towards the end. Maybe Diaz can make adjustments. Guess we will see.
 
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x Power Pad Death Stomp x

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SSGMUN10000 said:
As for JMM-Diaz II I am not sure if I am excited about the fight. Sure it was entertaining but JMM KOed Diaz pretty bad towards the end. Maybe Diaz can make adjustments. Guess we will see.
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Should be fun while it lasts, but I am way more excited for Bradley/Maidana!!!
 
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cthoaa

Member
It's a little iffy for JMM-Diaz to be on PPV. There will be a bunch of belts on the line and everyone loved the first fight, but I don't think they'll pay fifty dollars to see the second, esp. copnsidering how their last fights went. Maybe they just wanted to advertise it this weekend and something will happen to move the date around Mexican independence day as PBF-JMM was.
 
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cthoaa

Member
Posturing begins. Manny responds to Mayweather's 'No test, no fight':
Pacquiao Will Agree To Drug Testing, With The 24-Day Cut

According to several reports, Pacquiao watched the fight in the Philippines and afterwards spoke to Manilla radio station DZBB. Pacquiao said that he's willing to agree to the random blood testing, but only if the blood testing has a cut-off date of 24-days.

"For me, as long as the drug test is not done close to the match, I'll agree because if they'll get blood from me close to the match, it will be a disadvantage for me because I'm smaller and he's big,'' Pacquiao said.
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The neogtiations fell apart the first time with the camps on opposites ends of a 14-day cutoff.
 
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Anduron

Member
Just watched Maywather Corley on youtube because Mayweather kept mentioning being hurt in it. Holy crap that was an awesome fight.

I'm guessing Mayweather wont ever fight that way again because punches at 147 are so much heavier but if he took that attitude into a Pacquiao fight it would be a classic.
 
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ClovingWestbrook

Banned
So perhaps this has been asked before but who is all of you guys favorite all time boxer?

Mine isn't too out of the norm; its Muhammad Ali. Just loved the way he saw the ring as both an opportunity to entertain and be the best. Had a chance to meet him in 1991 and it was an amazing experience. I wish there were some heavy weights today that had the flair, quickness, and talent of those back in the 60s and 70s.
 
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benita

Banned
"For me, as long as the drug test is not done close to the match, I'll agree because if they'll get blood from me close to the match, it will be a disadvantage for me because I'm smaller and he's big,'' Pacquiao said.
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Oh bullshit. Pacman's ducking already (again).
 
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Kitschkraft

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Found this on another forum....:lol
 
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thirty

Banned
ESPN-
Now that Floyd Mayweather Jr. has dispatched Shane Mosley, talk immediately turned to the potential showdown with Manny Pacquiao, who has apparently softened his stance on the drug testing procedures that derailed their negotiations in January.


Pacquiao
Pacquiao and Mayweather, universally regarded as the top two fighters in boxing, tried to make the mega fight in December and January.

The camps had agreed on all terms except for the way to handle drug testing for what many believe would be the biggest money fight in boxing history. The all-time pay-per-view record of 2.45 million was set in Mayweather's victory against Oscar De La Hoya in 2007.

When Pacquiao and Mayweather reached an impasse, Pacquiao went on to easily defeat Joshua Clottey on March 13 and Mayweather took a lopsided unanimous decision against Mosley in their welterweight super fight on Saturday night.

Mayweather, who accused Pacquiao of using performance-enhancing drugs despite having no evidence, had insisted on strict blood and urine testing, which was employed during the lead-up and immediate aftermath of his fight with Mosley.

Pacquiao, who has a defamation lawsuit pending against Mayweather and his team over the accusations, agreed to unlimited urine testing -- but with limits on how many blood tests he would take and how close to the fight he would agree to be tested.

Now, less than 48 hours after Mayweather's victory, Pacquiao seems to be in a compromising mood in order to make a fight for which official negotiations have not yet begun.

"I am willing to help the sport for the future of the sport. I do not want to see anyone cheat or cheat this sport. For that reason I am willing to consider taking blood [tests] as close as 14 days prior to the fight, as long as my opponent does the same, and it is not a lot of blood, just enough to test," Pacquiao is quoted as saying on his official website.

Mayweather has no issue undergoing the same kind of testing as his opponent.

During the previous negotiation, Pacquiao had insisted on a cut-off of blood testing 30 days before the fight and eventually moved to 24 days when it came to light that he had taken a blood test during that time frame before his second-round knockout of Ricky Hatton in May 2009.

Pacquiao had agreed all along to take a blood test immediately after the fight.

"I do not want anyone having an unfair advantage where someone may get hurt," said Pacquiao, who is in the final days of his congressional campaign in the Philippines. "I am willing to do my part to help this sport out."

Pacquiao had said previously he did not want to have blood drawn too close to the fight because he feels like it weakens him.

"Mayweather is the furthest thing on our mind," Michael Koncz, Pacquiao's adviser, said in a statement to Pacquiao's website. "Our focus has been and continues to be Manny's desire to become congressman."

Following the election, Pacquiao and his family are expected to go on vacation and the fighter will discuss his next bout upon his return. "As Manny has stated many times, we are willing to fight anyone, anytime, anywhere in accordance with the athletic commission's rules and regulations in which ever state we fight in. We will not be bullied into or entertain any additional rules or regulations to be imposed by our opponent."

Top Rank's Bob Arum, Pacquiao's promoter is headed to the Philippines to support Pacquiao in the final days of his campaign. He told ESPN.com on Monday that during the trip he will not talk to Pacquiao about Mayweather, drug testing or any boxing business.

"As far as I am concerned, I am not even going to raise anything," Arum said. "We're not even going to talk about future plans until after election and that's the truth.

"I have no thoughts about the other stuff but I have an open mind to everything. Obviously, he's my fighter and I will do what he asks me to do, but there's a time for everything. And the time is not now."

Mayweather said after the fight Saturday night that he would fight Pacquiao under the same kind of Olympic-style testing used for the fight with Mosley.

"If he wants to fight it's not that hard to find me," Mayweather said. "We tried to fight before and it didn't work, and we moved on. Mosley did what I asked him to do and if every athlete in the sport would do that, we know we would have a clean sport. Everyone should take the test. I am willing to take the tests. If Manny takes the test we can make the fight happen. If he doesn't we don't have a fight."

Dan Rafael is the boxing writer for ESPN.com.
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Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
harSon said:
Weren't there reports saying he was willing to do it up to 24 hours prior to the fight?
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No.

And those quotes about Pacquiao being willing to take the test up to 14 days are being reported as being fake. He's apparently still standing firm at 24. I wonder which steroid he's gaining an advantage from holding steady at 24 days from?

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=27482
 
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Baby Milo

Member
For me, as long as the drug test is not done close to the match, I'll agree because if they'll get blood from me close to the match, it will be a disadvantage for me because I'm smaller and he's big,'' Pacquiao said.

:lol the excuses pac and freddy have made are fucking hilarious. they scared.
 
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TheVisualizer

Banned
x Power Pad Death Stomp x said:
Should be fun while it lasts, but I am way more excited for Bradley/Maidana!!!
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your not gonna like this news then:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=5160063

Maidana backs out of fight for 2nd time

By Dan Rafael
ESPN.com

Junior welterweight Marco Maidana's bad back is still giving him problems, forcing him to withdraw for the second time from a much-anticipated fight against titleholder Timothy Bradley Jr. on Monday.

They were supposed to meet June 19, but Argentina's Maidana asked for a postponement in April, and the fight was rescheduled for July 17 at the Agua Caliente Casino Resort Spa in Rancho Mirage, Calif., which is not far from Bradley's hometown of Palm Springs.

Now that date is off as well, and Gary Shaw, Bradley's co-promoter with Thompson Boxing, is fuming, especially because he was notified only the day before Agua Caliente was scheduled to host the formal news conference announcing the fight.

Shaw arrived in Rancho Mirage and was just sitting down for a meeting with casino executives to go over details when he got the call from Eric Gomez, a matchmaker for Golden Boy Promotions, which handles Maidana.

"I think Maidana is afraid and he's a chicken," Shaw told ESPN.com. "He asked us once to move the fight because of an injury and we said fine, no problem. Now Eric Gomez says he missed his flight and can't make it to the press conference and, oh by the way, he's not taking the fight because he still has back problems."

Shaw then took another shot at Maidana: "I know where the injury came from -- from carrying that opponent [William Gonzalez] for three rounds in Argentina. He must have hurt his back carrying that guy. It's ridiculous.

"We are 24 hours, less, from the press conference. Obviously, Maidana's back wasn't getting better so why not call us and let us know as soon as possible? They didn't know his back was hurting the day before or the day before that? You don't do that. This is what makes boxing a bad business."

Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer said he understood Shaw's anger but that injuries happen.

"He injured his back and it's still bothering him," Schaefer said. "I was told he can't travel because of it. They're probably going to do further tests on his back. He can't fight. He can't even train. If the guy is injured, he's injured. I am as disappointed as Gary and as disappointed as the fight fans, but it's not really fair to blame Maidana.

"He's not the kind of guy who turns down anyone. It would have been a career-high purse for him. It's not like he's a millionaire. He could use the money. I am sure he's disappointed. Not once did he hesitate taking the fight. I can understand Gary's frustration, but there are no games being played."

Maidana (28-1, 27 KOs) won a vacant interim title by making heralded prospect Victor Ortiz quit in the sixth round last June before knocking out Gonzalez in the third round in November.

Maidana followed that with a sixth-round knockout of previously undefeated Victor Cayo on HBO on March 27, setting the stage for the fight with Bradley (25-0, 11 KOs), who was supposed to make his debut on the network.

Shaw said Agua Caliente still wants Bradley's next fight and he hoped HBO would also keep him on July 17 against a different opponent.
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Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Baby Milo said:
For me, as long as the drug test is not done close to the match, I'll agree because if they'll get blood from me close to the match, it will be a disadvantage for me because I'm smaller and he's big,'' Pacquiao said.

:lol the excuses pac and freddy have made are fucking hilarious. they scared.
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They aren't "scared." Pacquiao is just on steroids and doesn't want to be caught.
 
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Tom_Cody

Member
J Tourettes said:
If they manage to get Bradley - Alexander in it's place, I'll be overjoyed.
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Right. I still would have liked to have seen the Maidana fight, but Alexander is definitely a superior fighter. Bradley-Alexander is almost like an under-the-radar mega fight. Both guys have looked sensational in their last few fights, and against the best competition available.

If not Alexander, Kotelnik is probably the next most logical choice. He does hold a win over Maidana. Also, he's faced other world class fighter without getting stopped, which gives the fight some purpose.
 
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J Tourettes

Banned
Tom_Cody said:
Right. I still would have liked to have seen the Maidana fight, but Alexander is definitely a superior fighter. Bradley-Alexander is almost like an under-the-radar mega fight. Both guys have looked sensational in their last few fights, and against the best competition available.

If not Alexander, Kotelnik is probably the next most logical choice. He does hold a win over Maidana. Also, he's faced other world class fighter without getting stopped, which gives the fight some purpose.
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Kotelnik is strictly European level for me and I wouldn't be interested in seeing it. Hopefully Maidana's injury means that he can end up facing Khan later on in the year as I can't wait for that hypetrain to be derailed once again.
 
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cthoaa

Member
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Margarito returns tonight on PPV. I forget whether or not he has to re-apply for his license to fight in the US or if maybe he's already done so, but tonight he's fighting in Mexico. His long-time trainer Javier Capetillo, who has has taken the blame for the illegal pads, is no longer working his corner.

There were two other okay fights here, but one of them, Urbano Antillon vs Brandon Rios, has fallen apart with Rios pulling out due to injury.

Top Rank's site will stream a few fights from the untelevised undercard.


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Common opponents between Paul Williams and Kermit Cintron:

Walter Mathysse: Williams ground him down, eventually stopping him in 10. Cintron blasted him out in two with one knockdown in the first, two more in the second.

Antonio Margarito: Cintron was stopped twice and left crying both times. Williams won a unanimous decision.

Sergio Martinez: Cintron was counted out, but things conspired to make the bout a draw. Williams won a close fight by majority decision.
 
DanteFox

DanteFox

Member
LovingSteam said:
So perhaps this has been asked before but who is all of you guys favorite all time boxer?

Mine isn't too out of the norm; its Muhammad Ali. Just loved the way he saw the ring as both an opportunity to entertain and be the best. Had a chance to meet him in 1991 and it was an amazing experience. I wish there were some heavy weights today that had the flair, quickness, and talent of those back in the 60s and 70s.
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Mike Tyson. IMO the best of all time. too bad he let up on training and eventually started his downward spiral.
 
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TheCardPlayer

Likes to have "friends" around to "play cards" with
That was...unique. Hopefully Cintron will be fine. Very gracious Williams too. Watching the fight again, Cintron was getting some very good punches in. He actually hurt Williams too. He might have won, if not for the fall. But The Punisher was starting to fire on all valves. Who knows, what would have happened?
 
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theBishop

Banned
That Williams/Cintron business was incredibly disappointing. Cintron was looking more competitive than I expected. If I didn't want to see Williams/Martinez II so bad (Larry Merchant said Pavlik isn't forcing rematch), I'd actually like to see Williams/Cintron I for realz.
 
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Speevy

Banned
Cintron is doing it wrong. You have to grab onto the ropes and do a full rotation, then springboard from the ropes into huricanrana.
 
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J Tourettes

Banned
Just won a pair of tickets to see Katsidis - Mitchell on Saturday. Not that I'm ungrateful or anything but I'm hoping they're good as I was going to buy semi-decent tickets anyway.

I get the feeling that they may be papering the house though.

Still, what should be a good fight for free is always welcome! :D
 
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cthoaa

Member
I've only seen him in the one-sided win vs. Prescott and before that vs. Johannson. It seems like he can win this pretty cleanly if he boxes, but could still match Katsidis on the inside if it comes to a brawl? Katsidis is probably the stronger puncher, though.

I hope Paulie does well, but really his fight vs. Khan is a showcase meant to introduce Amir to HBO audiences. Mitchell-Katsidis and Ortiz-Campbell should be the better fights this weekend.
 
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Kitschkraft

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Mayweather/Mosley does 1.4 Million buys.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/37089184/ns/sports/

Mayweather proves to be a pay-per-view draw

LAS VEGAS - Floyd Mayweather Jr. proved to be a box office draw in his fight with Shane Mosley, with 1.4 million buys for television revenue of $78.3 million.

HBO released figures Tuesday that showed the fight made the top 10 of pay-per-view bouts ever. The most pay-per-view buys for a fight was 2.4 million for Mayweather's 2007 bout with Oscar De La Hoya.

Mayweather's manager, Leonard Ellerbe, said the buys helped Mayweather pocket $40 million for the fight. He had been guaranteed $22.5 million plus a percentage of the sales.
Story continues below ↓advertisement | your ad here

Mosley was also expected to make more than his guarantee of $7 million.

Mayweather remained unbeaten with a lopsided 12-round decision in the bout.
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Great numbers, second biggest non-heavy PPV ever. With 40 million in pocket, Mayweather certainly can't be complaining.

I think that Mayweather/Pacquiao could do damn near 3 million, even with the economy as it is.
 
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J Tourettes

Banned
cthoaa said:
I've only seen him in the one-sided win vs. Prescott and before that vs. Johannson. It seems like he can win this pretty cleanly if he boxes, but could still match Katsidis on the inside if it comes to a brawl? Katsidis is probably the stronger puncher, though.

I hope Paulie does well, but really his fight vs. Khan is a showcase meant to introduce Amir to HBO audiences. Mitchell-Katsidis and Ortiz-Campbell should be the better fights this weekend.
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One of Mitchell's negatives in the past has been the propensity to get in to brawls when he doesn't need to. Having said that, he can both brawl and box but I think he'd be better off sticking with the boxing on Saturday.

I'm hoping Paulie pulls off the upset against Khan but short of Ko'ing him, there's no way as he won't get the decision.
 
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cthoaa

Member
Liara T'Soni said:
Mayweather/Mosley does 1.4 Million buys.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/37089184/ns/sports/
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It's a big number, doubling Pacquiao's last outing vs Clottey (700,000 buys), but I have to say I fell for the hype a little.

Oscar was an tv saying that he was expecting his record to broken. (2,400,000 buys vs Mayweather.) Richard Schaefer was saying that it was tracking over 3 million and might do four.

I knew that the last prediction was off, but to miss by so much? I don't understand why they make such bold statements instead of managing expectations, especially when the real numbers will be released a week later.
 
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cthoaa

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M.Katsidis (c, 26-2, 21 KOs) vs K.Mitchell (31-0, 23 KOs) - interim WBO lightweight title fight

A.Khan (c, 22-1, 16 KOs) vs P.Malignaggi (27-3, 5 KOs) - WBA world light welterweight title fight


A little over a year ago Juan Manuel Marquez and Juan Diaz had a 135-lb fight that would be one of year's best, and Golden Boy featured a bunch of guys in its "Lightweight Lightning" pay-per-view. The lightweight division looked so strong with its mix of champions, contenders, and young up-and-comers.

Since then:

Amir Khan moved up to 140 and has won and defended a title, which is great.

Juan Manuel Marquez moved up and lost to Floyd Mayweather. (No shame in that.)

Nate Campbell moved up and had a rough outing against a younger, stronger Tim Bradley. (His technical decision loss was eventually overturned and ruled a 'no contest'.)

Juan Diaz moved up and really lost twice to Paulie Malignaggi. (He was lucky to get the first decision to go his way.)

Joan Guzman can no longer make the weight limit, but can still get decisions over Ali Funeka who cannot catch a break, it seems.

Famoso Hernandez: recovering after being hit by a car.

Jorge Barrios caused an accident that killed a pregnant young woman; was found guilty of aggravated manslaughter.

Edwin Valero killed his wife before committing suicide in prison.

... so, yah, lightweight looked better back then.
 
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Ash_69

Member
Hyped for Khan vs Malignaggi! I can't remember the last time I've not been entertained watching Khan and the pre fight build up makes it even more compelling. Last see whether Khan fights smart or tries to put on to much of a show and is made to look foolish. I predict it will be the former in a convincing win.
 
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Ikuu

Had his dog run over by Blizzard's CEO
Gah was watching the Katsidis Mitchell fight and my Mum starts talking to me, by the time I look back the fight was over. Hopefully Khan wins tonight, though no matter who he beats seems like people are still going to hate on him.
 
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cthoaa

Member
He looked good behind the jab those first two rounds, but even then you could see how close Katsidis was getting.

It was crazy seeing Katsidis sparring in the dressing room. WTF man.
 
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J Tourettes

Banned
Just got back from Katsidis - Mitchell. Feel sorry for Kev but this is what happens when you're content to let Warren feed you shit indefinitely. When it's time to step up you're found wanting. It'll be interesting to see where he goes from here.

Undercard was fucking shitty though but the atmosphere was great. best fight of the night was 2 hollies in the crowd. It took seven police officers to drag one of them out of the stadium and he was still putting up a fight :lol

Hopefully that's the last we'll ever see of Danny Williams, the lazy fatfuck.
 
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