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Fersis

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What about the Narvaez - Briceño fight?
 

Esch

Banned
harSon said:

I didn't mean lose. I meant lose in a match of boxing skill, of technique. Paulie lost round after round in exchanges of lefts, and he got countered more than Khan did :lol
 

harSon

Banned
EschatonDX said:
I didn't mean lose. I meant lose in a match of boxing skill, of technique. Paulie lost round after round in exchanges of lefts, and he got countered more than Khan did :lol

Hatton destroyed Paulie, so much so that his corner threw in the towel in the 11th round.
 

cthoaa

Member
Vs. Hatton, Paulie was losing both inside and outside, but I thought he was taking the physical beating okay. He was able to clinch at points and stand his ground at others. Vs. Khan, he couldn't really do anything: Khan's speed and reach combined with the disciplined attack were way too much. He pulled away from some of the punches, but I've never seen his head snapped back so many times.

When McGirt threw in the towel vs. Hatton, Paulie was pretty angry about it and pushed him. Here, he seemed pretty resigned. Sometimes it's like Smoger would rather see a guy die than stop a fight too early, so for him to call the fight at that point means it was getting pretty bad.

Just a great performance from Amir. He's supposed fight again in maybe July/early August? (This would leave enough time for Roach to hold a full camp if/when Pacquiao fights in November.) The turnaround might be too soon for Maidana to recover from his injury, but the door could be open for Katsidis if he wants to go up.
 

see5harp

Member
Amir Khan had so much more hand speed. He was basically landing his jab at will and if he had gone to the body here and there, he probably could have had a chance at a KO. He kept his hands up the entire match, also, which is smart for someone with a suspect chin. Very impressed by that win, Khan was efficient in there.
 

Esch

Banned
harSon said:
Hatton destroyed Paulie, so much so that his corner threw in the towel in the 11th round.

Yeah, I know. But it was a different kind of victory, achieved through pressure fighting.
 

see5harp

Member
EschatonDX said:
Yeah, I know. But it was a different kind of victory, achieved through pressure fighting.

Exactly...he basically did the same thing as Cotto did to Paulie. Khan was actually pretty accurate and quick with his punches in there.
 

SSGMUN10000

Connoisseur Of Tedium
Marquez vs Vasquez IV this saturday. You guys should do yourselfs a favor and catch the repeats of the first 3 fights on Showtime if you have it.
 

cthoaa

Member
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Vazquez-Marquez IV - Weigh In - SHOWTIME Boxing (YouTube)


I enjoyed the third fight so much: it was a fitting end to their series of fights. I can't imagine it being topped.

The other televised fight should also be good: Yohnny Perez vs Abner Mares for Perez's bantamweight title. Mares' first world title fight.
 

cthoaa

Member
Perez-Mares was good. It got off to fast start and I thought Perez had banked enough rounds in the middle, but a draw is fine.

Vazquez-Marquez was kinda sad. Israel's one eye is so bad. I'd say that this messed up their series, but oh well: the third fight should have been a PPV, so both guys collected some backpay. It sucked seeing Vazquez get prodded for a fifth fight with his eyes in the condition they were.
 

Esch

Banned
Vazquez is shot. If your eyes look like that and open up after 3 rounds in a war, you can't box, especially not against Marquez. It was a sad fight for sure...

The Mares fight was good. I think Mares was honestly a little bit ahead, but i'm fine with a draw. A rematch is absolutely necessary though.

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EDIT: look at that, theres no way that won't open up again.
 

cthoaa

Member
I had to watch a stream because of the time difference and didn't see the blood right away. When they said he was cut and it was still the first round, I was like "..."

EschatonDX said:
The Mares fight was good. I think Mares was honestly a little bit ahead, but i'm fine with a draw. A rematch is absolutely necessary though.
Again I was only catching this on stream so my opinion can't be strong, but I gave Perez lots of rounds in the middle if only because he looked the aggressor as Mares pulled away and started to box. But it was definitely Mares early and late in the fight to close. Both guys are nice, ut I hope they can clean up the division a little before they meet again.
 

Esch

Banned
cthoaa said:
Again I was only catching this on stream so my opinion can't be strong, but I gave Perez lots of rounds in the middle if only because he looked the aggressor as Mares pulled away and started to box. But it was definitely Mares early and late in the fight to close.

That inactivity definitely kept him from a UD. But when they were exchanging, they threw hard.
 

Chris R

Member
Ninja Scooter said:
holy shit this ref is awesome

:lol the ref is doing a better job of cornering Foreman than his own damn corner
Best part of the fight so far IMO. Shouldn't be long now though.
 

Esch

Banned
Foreman was a goddamned warrior out there. Props to his perseverance. I hope Cintron was watching and gets inspired by someone with a pair.

Cotto looked the best I've seen in a long time. Looks like Steward was exactly what he needed. Nice to see him with a belt again. He keeps looking that good and Pac-Cotto II might be a worthwhile fight.
 

Brinbe

Member
Got nothing but respect for both fighters and props to the ref... Refreshing to see some good refereeing in sports.
 

parasight

Member
Good fight. Massive props to Foreman for soldiering on. The ref was a little bizarre, as it was pretty much stated by the corner that they did throw the towel. And then he started coaching Foreman. At least we did get a solid finish. Cotto looked great.
 

SephCast

Brotherhood of Shipley's
Big ups to Foreman for fighting on. That was some hardass shit.

Let's hope Cotto can build on this and take out a big name next time.
 

thirty

Banned
http://www.examiner.com/x-20066-Pittsburgh-Fight-Sports-Examiner~y2010m6d5-Floyd-Mayweather-backs-out-of-Pacquiao-fight-taking-a-year-or-two-off
The proposed showdown between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao seems to have been called of again permanently.
Speaking to reporters during an charity appearance with the make a wish foundation, Mayweather stated that he would be taking 'a year or two' off from the sport of boxing.
Mayweather granted the wish of a young man by the name of Armando suffering from Hodgkins disease, who wanted to meet his favorite fighter. During the course of the event, a reporter joked that Armando wanted to see Mayweather take on Manny Pacquiao the most, to which Mayweather revealed that he was taking another leave of absence.
Whether he will return to the ring at some point is not clear, and he says that he doesn't know what the future holds.
According to all other sources, a fight between the two pound for pound stalwarts was nearly made, and the two opposing camps were negotiating behind closed doors. Whether Mayweather has made this news clear to his promoting representatives at Golden Boy isn't clear, and if not than he will have been wasting their time in having them engage in talks with Top Rank all this time.
Without stating any particular reason for not wanting to fight again for an extended period, it will no doubt appear that Floyd is merely sidestepping Pacquiao, a fighter many believe would hand him his first career loss. Certainly this news will dampen the last days of Pacquiao's career as well, and his next opponent will now probably either be Antonio Margarito or Miguel Cotto.
This latest revelation will no doubt further damage Mayweather's public persona, which had already taken a battering when he accused Pacquiao of being a drug user without evidence. Not only this, but Mayweather's legacy will no doubt be tarnished as well, and even if he remains undefeated if he does fight again, there will always be a question mark as to whether Pacquiao would have beaten him.
So Manny appears to be willing to agree to the 14 day blood test thing, now when negotiations begin Mayweather wants to retire again?
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"

thirty

Banned
Both of them dont want it? Pacman said in public he'd agree to take the stupid tests. The promoters are in negotiations now to make a November fight happen.

Mayweather just doesn't want any top fighters in their prime.
 

Esch

Banned
If you guys have been wondering about what's been happening to Marcos Maidana for the last couple of months, here's an answer straight from his mouth...

Dear boxing fans and press members,

The last time you have seen me I was celebrating my first victory in Las Vegas, as I knocked out Victor Cayo last March 27 on HBO and thus I proudly retained the WBA Interim Super Lightweight title for the second time. I can`t tell you how happy I was as my career seemed to go the right direction. That night I thought I was establishing a name for my myself in the US and new great opportunities were coming for me after that.

However, a series of unexpected events have unfolded ever since affecting me to the point that even retirement crossed my mind. However, I consider myself a true warrior, so I will fight for my rights until the end. I know most of you may be surprised to hear that. Surely, not as much surprised as I am myself, of course.

First of all, let me make it clear that I am in perfect health condition, so nothing of this has anything to do with injuries or any medical problems. I only have very serious managerial problems that have led me to a huge disappointment and uncertainty regarding my future.
For the last two months and to this date I remained in silence as I was trusting that certain people would deliver their promises to straight things up. They did not.

A few days after the Cayo fight I was resting in Buenos Aires and suddenly I learned through boxing web sites that I was scheduled to fight Timothy Bradley on June 19 in Aguacaliente, California. Then I called my now former manager Mario Margossian and he confirmed that he had in fact agreed that fight with both Golden Boy Promotions and HBO.

I was pissed as I had never been informed about any previous negotiations in that regard.
On the other hand, I turned the offer down as Margossian offered me little money for a fight of this magnitude. Then, the next day I again learned from boxing web sites that the date has been moved (without my approval, once again), this time for July 17 mentioning that I was recovering from a back injury, which was a lie.

I talked with Margossian again and he tried to convince me by offering me little more money, but at that point I became suspicious and I told him I would not take the fight, which it was always far from being formally accepted from me as I have never signed a contract, whatsoever.

I want to make it clear, however, that Golden Boy Promotions and HBO have both acted in good faith all along on this matter as I never had any direct contact with them or any other promoters involved in the Bradley fight at that point.

Now I know that they had made a reasonable offer for me to face Bradley, but that offer was significantly different when it came to me.

From that point on I started to find out that many other things regarding my career were not right so I put the case in the hands of my lawyers. Last May 12 I have notified Margossian about my irreversible decision to terminate the contract that we had, for which I had designated him as my manager.

On the other hand, there seems to be a huge mystery and confusion regarding possible existent contracts between myself and Golden Boy Promotions and or Universum Box Promotions, which happen to have a partnership. Both claim that they have contracts with me. Unfortunately, my former manager has never given me any originals or even copies of the contracts that I have signed or of those which he may have signed on my behalf during the last few years, so I have no way to verify what my situation is right now.

That is why early on last May I went directly to Golden Boy Promotions, and through phone conversations they promised me they would send me every alleged contract that they have. This was ratified during a personal meeting with Eric Gomez that took place last May 27 in Santa Fe, Argentina. They promised me to be perfectly clear and transparent, but they did not deliver as they finally decided not to reveal the contracts. I have not received anything from them.

Therefore, if Golden Boy Promotions or Universum Box Promotions have any contracts that link me with them, I publicly ask them to urgently show them to me and my team as my former manager Margossian would not for sure. If everything if perfectly clear and legal as they claim, what is the problem with showing all the papers to me?

I am sure that Oscar de la Hoya himself will totally understand me as a fellow colleague. I have a team in Argentina that is supporting me and giving me the right advice now, so I ask Oscar to take the matter in his own hands and meet with us to clarify the whole thing along with Universum. Otherwise, if they do not have any contracts that link me with them or if they are not interested in me, let me know it for real and I will continue with my career. I would be hugely disappointed if Oscar allows for my career to be interrupted or damaged whatsoever. I know he will not.

In all, I want to tell everybody that I would be delighted to face Bradley or any other world champions – especially, Amir Khan who is my mandatory as per WBA rules – as long as I get fair conditions (the right money and time to prepare myself).

Every one in boxing knows that I had to go the hard way to become the WBA Super Lightweight champion. First, by going to Germany to face local Andreas Kotelnik and then by going to Los Angeles to fight Victor Ortiz. That speaks for itself about me not ducking anyone, doesn’t it? I’m not scared to square off in the ring with anybody. I’m proud of being the WBA world champion and I’m hungry to face the best out there. But give me a fair treatment to do so, just as they do with other champions.

I want my fans to keep their faith in me and thank them for all the support that I am receiving, for which I’ll be grateful forever. God bless you all and see you in my next fight.

Marcos René Maidana
June 7, 2010

:lol
 

harSon

Banned
thirty said:
Both of them dont want it? Pacman said in public he'd agree to take the stupid tests. The promoters are in negotiations now to make a November fight happen.

Mayweather just doesn't want any top fighters in their prime.

Mayweather took the 14 day compromise off the table once Pacquiao refused to do it the first time. I can see why he did too, I'd be pretty pissed if I made several compromises and my opponent wasn't willing to do jack shit.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
harSon said:
Mayweather took the 14 day compromise off the table once Pacquiao refused to do it the first time. I can see why he did too, I'd be pretty pissed if I made several compromises and my opponent wasn't willing to do jack shit.
In my mind it's 50-50 whether it gets done. I personally would get over being pissed about virtually anything for the money this matchup will generate. Money May fights for checks; well here's the biggest check you'll ever get, buddy. Get it done, or don't complain when nobody gives a shit about you. If he wants to bitch about the particulars, he really should just do it after the match, because it's only downhill for his career prospects after this.

I literally think boxing is a dead sport if this match doesn't happen. People are tired of shit matchups and there's no crazy-good talent out there, especially given I can see Pacquiao giving up the ghost if there's no-one bankable to fight himself.
 

Triple U

Banned
Angry Grimace said:
In my mind it's 50-50 whether it gets done. I personally would get over being pissed about virtually anything for the money this matchup will generate. Money May fights for checks; well here's the biggest check you'll ever get, buddy. Get it done, or don't complain when nobody gives a shit about you. If he wants to bitch about the particulars, he really should just do it after the match, because it's only downhill for his career prospects after this.

I literally think boxing is a dead sport if this match doesn't happen. People are tired of shit matchups and there's no crazy-good talent out there, especially given I can see Pacquiao giving up the ghost if there's no-one bankable to fight himself.
pac already said he only gonna do 1 or 2 more fights before he takes his congress seat. Its really do or die for floyd. I hope this is just posturing though as I have never been one to call floyd a ducker.
 

otake

Doesn't know that "You" is used in both the singular and plural
Angry Grimace said:
I literally think boxing is a dead sport if this match doesn't happen. People are tired of shit matchups and there's no crazy-good talent out there, especially given I can see Pacquiao giving up the ghost if there's no-one bankable to fight himself.

This. The only fight people care about is Mayweather vs Paquiao. The wait is killing it. More and more people are watching mma.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
otake said:
This. The only fight people care about is Mayweather vs Paquiao. The wait is killing it. More and more people are watching mma.
Part of the problem is, somebody will have shit to say in any case;

Floyd gets knocked out, Manny's juiced.
Manny gets knocked out, he can't fight without the juice.
Controversial decision; the judges are being paid off to set up a rematch.
One sided decision; who cares, boxing is fucked :lol
 

oneHeero

Member
harSon said:
Mayweather took the 14 day compromise off the table once Pacquiao refused to do it the first time. I can see why he did too, I'd be pretty pissed if I made several compromises and my opponent wasn't willing to do jack shit.
You mean how Mayweather ALL of a sudden decided to start requesting his own set of rules on top of nevada gaming commission? I can see why Pacquio would have been pissed and originally not wanted to agree to some random testing out of no where because some idiot family members wanting to throw around claims of steroids and to get a edge in the mind games.

In regards to Maidana situation, that straight up sucks. That guy is really good, has crazy amounts of power and is quick. Hope he continues to fight and gets a chance. Has like 24-25 kos and like 27-28 wins. Crazy.

EDIT: Foreman and Cotto was a good fight, Cotto looked a lil better although not what he use to be obviously. Props to Foreman, at first I thought he was faking but it was obvious ow bad it hurt him.
 

jakncoke

Banned
Angry Grimace said:
Part of the problem is, somebody will have shit to say in any case;

Floyd gets knocked out, Manny's juiced.
Manny gets knocked out, he can't fight without the juice.
Controversial decision; the judges are being paid off to set up a rematch.
One sided decision; who cares, boxing is fucked :lol
:lol so true.
 

Esch

Banned
Holy shit, did anyone watch Lemieux-Ayala?

He ktfo'd Ayala in a single round, kid is like a little mini tyson

i'm officially on board the lemieux bandwagon
 

cthoaa

Member
Maidana's open letter
If it's all true (and I can actually believe all of it) it must be frustrating finding out all these things in the media and possibly sourced in a different language.

"I'm fighting Tim Bradley in June?"
"The date is being moved to July?"
"My back is injured?"
"Wait! Who is my promoter?"

Hopefully the situation works itself out with no hard feelings from HBO and no repercussions from Golden Boy Promotions.

Holy shit, did anyone watch Lemieux-Ayala?

He ktfo'd Ayala in a single round, kid is like a little mini tyson

i'm officially on board the lemieux bandwagon
I only watch this clip on YouTube. (But it's pretty much the whole thing, right? :lol )

Ayala dropped a decision in his last fight, but he also went twelve rounds vs Abraham before a last minute stop; getting him out in one is really strong. Lemieux is so normal-looking. I can't believe his power.
 

Esch

Banned
cthoaa said:
If it's all true (and I can actually believe all of it) it must be frustrating finding out all these things in the media and possibly sourced in a different language.

"I'm fighting Tim Bradley in June?"
"The date is being moved to July?"
"My back is injured?"
"Wait! Who is my promoter?"

Hopefully the situation works itself out with no hard feelings from HBO and no repercussions from Golden Boy Promotions.

Somehow i get the feeling Maidana's been getting the short end of the stick for a while. A little ridiculous that he thought he could refer to Khan as "his mandatory" and himself a "champion",:lol but i sympathize with him either way.


I only watch this clip on YouTube. (But it's pretty much the whole thing, right? :lol )

Ayala dropped a decision in his last fight, but he also went twelve rounds vs Abraham before a last minute stop; getting him out in one is really strong. Lemieux is so normal-looking. I can't believe his power.

Yeah, it's actually ridiculous when weighed in comparison to that victory. I think he should take the winner of JCC Jr. vs. John Duddy next, or one of the rising beasts of MW(pirog, n'jikam, golovkin, etc)...

The whole fight is here in HD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U2i3vfp65A&feature=player_embedded
 
EschatonDX said:
If you guys have been wondering about what's been happening to Marcos Maidana for the last couple of months, here's an answer straight from his mouth...



:lol

So much for GBP cleaning up boxing. They've been treating Maidaina rough to keep him away from Khan, yet he keeps beating whoever they put him in with.

I hope to god that that he gets to face Khan soon. He deserves a payday and hopefully Khan can get KTFO again.
 

Esch

Banned
As much as I like maidana and all that, he's going to lose against Khan... Dude is too limited of a boxer, Khan is going to keep the distance locked with reach and combinations and Maidana's infighting isn't anywhere near good enough to get him into his preferred range. Khan TKO or UD.
 
EschatonDX said:
As much as I like maidana and all that, he's going to lose against Khan... Dude is too limited of a boxer, Khan is going to keep the distance locked with reach and combinations and Maidana's infighting isn't anywhere near good enough to get him into his preferred range. Khan TKO or UD.

Khan should be able to stay behind the jab all night against Maidana and win quite comfortably. Unfortunately we'll never know as Khan and his handlers are doing their best to make sure the fight never happens. Khan only fights old, blown up superfeathers/lightweights or non punching Light Welters. I can't see that changing any time soon.
 
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