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TheDrowningMan

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Delighted by that! Froch may always struggle with movement and he let himself down by not going for it when he had Kessler in trouble, but you don't defeat top fighters like Jean Pascal and Arthur Abraham unless you're a world class operator.

Also - He hasn't nearly the natural ability of Joe Calzaghe, but the Welshman never, ever took such a tough run of fights. Never.
 
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gollumsluvslave

Member
Great performance from Froch, but Abraham was desparately disappointing!

Although, a lot of Abraham's poor show can be credited to Froch for showing that he can actually box.
 
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Esch

Banned
Abraham fought like shit. Didn't cut the ring, no head movement, no combination work, no answer for the jab whatsoever...

He needs to learn to let his hands go, get his feet moving, and fucking do something. Disgraceful.
 
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polyh3dron

Banned
EschatonDX said:
I dunno if anyone here watched Ward-Bika, but that was some dirty, violent fighting there.

Good stuff.
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Yup, that was a fucking war, so was Marquez/Katsidis. Great night for boxing.

I'm not really itching to see Marquez fight Pac Man again, but I'd take him over Mosley any day.
 
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Esch

Banned
Anyone peep Caballero-Litzau? Funniest fight of the year. Good for jason. Caballero was obviously taking him easy and he paid for it, backing away to the ropes, literally running away... Disgraceful.

Also, man Berto fucking clocked Hernandez. Man I know he really ain't shit, but that short straight would have hurt anyone. looked awful.
 
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Satyamdas

Banned
Marquez looked AWESOME tonight, can't overstate how well he fought and how sharp he looked. I think Pac still has enough speed advantage and his improved footwork that he would win certainly, but after seeing Marquez tonight I would not be wary of that fight, which I might've been before.

Don't know how much was Berto looking good and how much was Hernandez looking bad, but that was a nice shot.
 
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J Tourettes

Banned
Great night of boxing, I missed the live stuff as I was on a date so had to catch up on Youtube yesterday.

Wow Marquez! I thought that Katsidis may be catching Marquez at the right time but boy was I wrong. Great fight and effort from both boxers in this one, I have nothing but respect for both of them as they're extremely classy guys. Felt a bit sorry for Katsidis after the fight.

Froch was great against AA, knew he had it in him to deliver a performance like that but still wasn't expecting it. AA doesn't help himself by starting off so slowly but it's always been enough against other fighters as he eventually caught them towards the end of the fight. Alas it wasn't to be against Froch. By the end of his career if Froch has fought Ward, Bute and Pascal again at light heavy (doesn't have to win, just put in great performances) I think that he may end up getting more respect from boxing fans than Calzaghe did/does.

Ward/Bika messy ugly fight but still impressed by Ward. Would still like to see him fight somewhere other than his hometown and without the ref in his pocket.
 
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smurfx

get some go again
omg! i am so out of it i didn't even realize marquez was fighting. shit i guess i gotta go watch the fight now.
 
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cthoaa

Member
EschatonDX said:
My man Hozumi Hasegawa came back in his first fight to take the vacant WBC belt from Burgos in a war.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqYb285lLUA&feature=player_embedded
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This was good stuff, thanks for the link.

Watching it, I was thinking that Hasegawa might be undersized for thedivision, but it seems that Burgos is just really tall for featherweight.

J Tourettes said:
Great read here by Dan Hauser on the Martinez - Williams fight. Probably my favourite online boxing writer.
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THanks. Martinez is so grounded. I didn't know Williams himself suggested the punch was "lucky"; I thought it was just the kind of talk that might come from fans who were disappointed after the abrupt finish.

Also from the article:
“Who’s carrying the belt into the ring?” Williams asked.

Cecilio Flores identified the belt carriers for both the WBC and Ring Magazine belts.

“The WBC requests that you only bring the WBC belt into the ring,” Williams told him. “Jose Sulaiman will be watching in Mexico. I hope you won’t make him unhappy.”
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They really sound like the Mafia. :lol
 
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J Tourettes

Banned
Mundine got KTFO again this week, couldn't have happened to a nicer person :lol

Wlad has pulled out against Chisora, some rumours swirling around that this could result in the Haye fight in the Spring although I'm not sure how much stock I put in them.

Maidana - Khan on Saturday, who are you picking? I think I've stated before that Khan should be able to easily take this via a relatively easy points decision or bullshit flurry stoppage but my money is still on El Chino. My only worry is Joe Cortez (neither firm nor fair but one of the worst refs around) is the third man. I expect him to favour Khan at every opportunity by letting Khan tie up as much as he needs to and probably warning Maidana for it and then warning Maidanan for phantom low blows.
 
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J Tourettes

Banned
Kevin Kelley interview on Khan - Maidana http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpLro1esci8

Key points if you can't view:

"I'm in the gym one day and (his trainer) Miguel Diaz asked me to spar this kid (Maidana)

"I'm boxing the first round and he never throws a punch and I'm thinking what's going on here. Then the second round begins and he throws a punch that feels like he has kicked me." said Kelley who was shocked by his heavy hands.

"He hits like a building fell on you. He is the hardest puncher I ever been in the ring with. I sparred people like Sam Peter (the heavyweight) and you know man, this kid (Maidana) hits abnormally hard." Kelley concluded.

Basically said that Khan cannot afford to make even one mistake.
 
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Esch

Banned
Cortez makes me think a Khan victory is even more likely. Agreed that Khan can't let Maidana tee off on him, but that's never been a question in my mind.

Best of luck to both guys, definitely the biggest test for both. I haven't seen any training footage of el chino but Khan looked sharp as shit in one of seckbach's videos. I'm interested to see if his handspeed will look different with 8oz.
 
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J Tourettes

Banned
EschatonDX said:
Cortez makes me think a Khan victory is even more likely. Agreed that Khan can't let Maidana tee off on him, but that's never been a question in my mind.

Best of luck to both guys, definitely the biggest test for both. I haven't seen any training footage of el chino but Khan looked sharp as shit in one of seckbach's videos. I'm interested to see if his handspeed will look different with 8oz.
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I've heard El Chino looked like shit but you never know what rumours to believe so I take them all with a pinch of salt. I'm out so will probably miss it but I'll be cheering on Maidana despite the gap in skills.
 
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Esch

Banned
Also, Khan's apparently donating his portion of the fight purse to pakistan flood victims. very laudable gesture even if he is a cocky bastard.
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gollumsluvslave

Member
Well Khan answered the doubters about his chin.

Can't believe he managed to survive - he was on silly street at the end, but he took some bombs from Maidana.

Fight of the year contender, great stuff!

Maidana is one tough customer!
 
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Atrophis

Member
Holy shit what a fight. If you didnt see that you've missed one of the fights of the year.

Khan was disappointing in that he didnt stick to his gameplan which lead to round 10. He was playing a very dangerous game but did enough to win. What a beautiful body punch knockdown to start though. Damn.
 
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d[-_-]b

Banned
Was wondering where the boxing age was on gaf :O, it was a good fight, missed the early rounds but caught it around 9th round onwards.
 
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nemesun

Member
Fucking 'ell, Khan is a real deal. I was in UK still back when he won the silver and became pro. But I expected it to be hype as usual. Freddie done wonders here.
 
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Mecha_Infantry

Banned
Nice to see Khan do well and take some good punches to make him wobble and toughen him up. He did get sloppy near the end though, but impressed

These fights are on too late for the UK
 
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Esch

Banned
told you guys.

Khan ftw.

This whole time, the chin doubts, the motivation doubts, the feather fisted claims. I just want you to know that I was right. And I will continue to be right :lol (probably not)
 
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see5harp

Member
Khan is the real deal but he really needs to stick to the gameplan. It seems like he's trying so hard to be Manny. He gets in a shell, takes a ton of unnecessary power shots, then puts his arms up, when it's obvious he's rocked. He's got an alright chin and some amazing hand speed though. I just wish he'd stick to boxing. He's slicker than most and that double body shot in the first round was beautiful.

EDIT: I'd also like to add that the Sky Sports is worse than HBO...Lampley is bad but this Irish guy is somehow worse to me.
 
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nemesun

Member
Maidana packs some heavy punches; I still have no idea how Khan managed to keep it together in the 10th, so much for his weak chin.
 
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nemesun

Member
see5harp said:
Khan is the real deal but he really needs to stick to the gameplan. It seems like he's trying so hard to be Manny. He gets in a shell, takes a ton of unnecessary power shots, then puts his arms up, when it's obvious he's rocked. He's got an alright chin and some amazing hand speed though. I just wish he'd stick to boxing. He's slicker than most and that double body shot in the first round was beautiful.
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That was brutal, I fully expect a rematch to be on the horizon after tonight.
 
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see5harp

Member
Solid_Rain said:
Why? From what I saw Maidana was only dominnt for like 1 and a half rounds during the whole fight.
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That fight was closer than that in my eyes. Khan may have won the majority of rounds on clean punching, but he was on the brink of devastation on more than a few occasions.
 
Wandering Leopard

Wandering Leopard

Member
see5harp said:
That fight was closer than that in my eyes. Khan may have won the majority of rounds on clean punching, but he was on the brink of devastation on more than a few occasions.
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Ok I could agree with that, from rounds 10-12 Khan was in a lot of trouble but in rounds 11 and 12 he was fighting back pretty well although still not winning those final two.
 
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nemesun

Member
see5harp said:
That fight was closer than that in my eyes. Khan may have won the majority of rounds on clean punching, but he was on the brink of devastation on more than a few occasions.
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I concur. If it was the old Khan fighting tonight, he would've been obliterated.
 
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TheDrowningMan

Member
see5harp said:
EDIT: I'd also like to add that the Sky Sports is worse than HBO...Lampley is bad but this Irish guy is somehow worse to me.
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Are you referring to the colour commentator? - If so, he's Scottish (he's an ex-boxer called Jim Watt) and VERY annoying. If you're talking about a studio pundit, you'll be meaning ex-world champion Barry McGuigan who is indeed Irish.
 
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Mecha_Infantry

Banned
see5harp said:
Khan is the real deal but he really needs to stick to the gameplan. It seems like he's trying so hard to be Manny. He gets in a shell, takes a ton of unnecessary power shots, then puts his arms up, when it's obvious he's rocked. He's got an alright chin and some amazing hand speed though. I just wish he'd stick to boxing. He's slicker than most and that double body shot in the first round was beautiful.

EDIT: II'd also like to add that the Sky Sports is worse than HBO...Lampley is bad but this Irish guy is somehow worse to me.
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I stopped ordering fights and even watching the free Pacquiao ones on SS because of the shit analysts. THey're all terrible except for Johnny Nelson and they skip most of the after interviews and just go back to the studio and chat shit. SMH
 
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theBishop

Banned
I didn't expect Khan to be this good. He's a spectacular fighter.

But I didn't expect Maidana to be that good either. Holy shit that fucker can take a punch. If Maidana had more power, it might have been enough.

And BOO at Peterson and Ortiz. That fight was a travesty. I didn't think it was a draw, I thought Ortiz won on points, but it's not a fight either of them should be proud of.
 
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Ash_69

Member
I'm in Vegas right now and saw the fight live. That was one of the most entertaining fights ever. The crowd was electric and hugely pro Khan. One thing you probably didn't pick up on tv was that it looked as though half the stadium was empty.

On another note, it was fun walking around the casino afterwards and seeing people like Audrey Harrison, ortiz, Lamont, Robert Garcia and floyd senior who was asked to comment of Khan.
 
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see5harp

Member
TheDrowningMan said:
Are you referring to the colour commentator? - If so, he's Scottish (he's an ex-boxer called Jim Watt) and VERY annoying. If you're talking about a studio pundit, you'll be meaning ex-world champion Barry McGuigan who is indeed Irish.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that both of guys are pretty annoying. The scottish guy is the absolute worst though. Worse than Jim Lampley.
 
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J Tourettes

Banned
see5harp said:
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that both of guys are pretty annoying. The scottish guy is the absolute worst though. Worse than Jim Lampley.
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As annoying as they can be, they're nowhere near as bad as Lampley. That guy sucks serious arse.

As for Khan, his chin seems a lot more solid now. The move up in weight and his physical maturity seemed to have helped his previously china chin immeasurably. Still think that an accurate counter puncher with some pop would have a field day and probably stop him. Why didn't he go to the body more after his early success?
 
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J Tourettes

Banned
Solid_Rain said:
Why? From what I saw Maidana was only dominnt for like 1 and a half rounds during the whole fight.
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I gave Maidana about five rounds, as did the judges. Not sure that a rematch is necessarily in order though as it wasn't a controversial win and there are other big fights out there at 140.

Having said that, I wouldn't have any objections as it was a great fight and Khan was lucky to survive the tenth.
 
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