Boycotting MW2/Activision by buying it used.. anyone?
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IcebergSlim3000
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This thread is full of silly people with silly ideals. You guy's are really sticking it to "The Man" this time.
Lostconfused
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Its like you are saying that the world isn't full of silly people and silly ideas.IcebergSlim3000 said:
Edit: Or ideals, either one works, but bother are better.
IcebergSlim3000
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What has Activision actually done to warrant a boycott. Do they pay their employees minimum wage. Are the games manufactured in sweat shops. Does Activision not sell games to little black kids.
Oh wait it's because they raised the price of a one time purchase 10 dollars and changed there business strategy about dedicated online servers. There need's to be an official GAF High Horse Club where the OP is the grand cheiftan.
Oh wait it's because they raised the price of a one time purchase 10 dollars and changed there business strategy about dedicated online servers. There need's to be an official GAF High Horse Club where the OP is the grand cheiftan.
Save this thread as reference for the next idiot that calls someone "elitist" around here.
Having standards is in no way a bad thing. The people that would have purchased this game but are now not going to because it won't be up to their standards are doing the logical and sane thing to do.
Having standards is in no way a bad thing. The people that would have purchased this game but are now not going to because it won't be up to their standards are doing the logical and sane thing to do.
renzengeki
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yep im not gonna buy mw2...
If you feel like you're making a difference by not buying this Day 1, I'm happy that you're getting some type of satisfaction from your actions. Do what you gotta do to feel right about the process. But in the end-run, without a large movement of like-minded people that can actually account for a chunk of the publisher's normal sales suddenly disappearing, no one will ever know or more importantly, care you exist.
If I boycotted every company whose upper management I disliked, I'd probably never go to a single movie, eat a single piece of processed food, go to supermarkets or sporting events, watch TV, etc... The list could go on forever. I'd encourage whoever's idea it was originally to boycott the product to sit down, write out in detail why you have an issue with the publisher, and convince other people to sign off on your letter. Get a couple hundred/thousand signatures of people agreeing not to buy the product and people will start to notice.
Its all well and good rabble-rousing in a thread on GAF, but unless this actually becomes a well formulated idea and organization occurs, nothing will ever come of this discussion besides the argument of idealist vs. realist.
If I boycotted every company whose upper management I disliked, I'd probably never go to a single movie, eat a single piece of processed food, go to supermarkets or sporting events, watch TV, etc... The list could go on forever. I'd encourage whoever's idea it was originally to boycott the product to sit down, write out in detail why you have an issue with the publisher, and convince other people to sign off on your letter. Get a couple hundred/thousand signatures of people agreeing not to buy the product and people will start to notice.
Its all well and good rabble-rousing in a thread on GAF, but unless this actually becomes a well formulated idea and organization occurs, nothing will ever come of this discussion besides the argument of idealist vs. realist.
rollingstart
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HK-47 said:
Look, Modern Warfare 2 is the biggest thing ever. Our high quality game journalist have been saying this for months now. Your options are to play Modern Warfare 2 or just give up gaming. Do you have any DAMN clue how many exclusives this game had on Gametrailers TV? Do you? This game is IN. FUCKING IN. Even the Sun is shutting down on November 10th so people can use their ENVEEGEES. Seriously, what will you do on November 11th? If you don't have it preordered along with at least 3 Mad Catz acces. people hate you. After Nov 11th, they will start being upfront with that hate. People at Gamestop have the order to shoot on sight if someone tries to trade this game in. I can't believe this. Even the other publishers delayed their games so you can play this. What ungrateful worms. Do you want your children to know that you weren't part of history because of $10? Do you think anyone will even have children with you if you don't buy this game?
I just think it's cute that MMaRsu thinks he's somehow affecting the market for this game by buying used (yes, he really is just making it so there's one less used copy in the market, forcing someone to buy new) or that he's anything more than a self-righteous gamer taking his hobby too seriously or, granting him the point that Activision/Kotick are shitty, that 95% of the time he buys a product he's not supporting a CEO or company that probably doesn't deserve his money or on and on.
I like MMaRsu and I've been gaming with him for a couple years now, but this is really quite adorable.
I like MMaRsu and I've been gaming with him for a couple years now, but this is really quite adorable.
Terrordactyl
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Eric WK said:
Fact of the matter is, the only way he could affect anything would be not to buy it at all. Unless a friend lends it to you. Either way Activision is getting $$ and a whole boatload, and theres nothing wrong with that. The server thing sucks but it does not affect me therefore I could care less. I think no matter how "evil" a company is perceived it shouldn't stop you from buying good games.
I hate Michael Bay movies but if he made a really really good movie I would have to watch it because I am a fan of the medium in general. Poor analogy perhaps but it gets my point across. Activision is getting 160 dollars from me this year which is more than the zero dollars they got last year, they must be doing something right.
Vercingetorix
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eznark said:
Did you not hear about the interview in which this stuff was revealed? From the way Bowling was wording things and answering questions it was extremely obvious that he knew this wouldn't go down well with a certain group. Namely the group that was interviewing him.
I wouldn't expect him to be too worried about it, it's not his decision obviously. Probably Kotick's decision himself, given that it involves MW2 and is much like SCII in changing how multiplayer PC gaming works.
HK-47 said:
All a matter of perspective, isn't it?
If it makes you feel better, I'm totally not supporting "anti-consumer" behaviour as much because I didn't pre-order the collectors edition of MW2 from Gamestop, only the normal version.
Because they were out of the collectors edition
The consumer apathy is atrocious. It's no wonder all that "Competition is good for the industry" bullshit never materialized.
All while your consoles have gone up in price, you're paying $10 more per game and some people are apt to actually paying to play games online. The same games played for free on other platforms, the PC being probably the most notable.
Frankly, the point that MW won't feel the loss in sales is valid, so technically all new IP's should be targeted since they are a harder sell. In business terms, gaining a consumer is much more costly than retaining them, but I'm sure they did the adequate cost-benefit analysis and decided there are enough people willing to fork over $10 more, after all, any mouthbreather with a mic online can attest the the sort of intelligence they're dealing with.
Futhermore, popularizing secondary markets tends to have an industry-wide cascading effect (See book industry) as the net value of initial sales tends to drop the larger the secondary market gets.
It used to be that banks gave you an interest on your deposits as compensation for using your money to invest. Flashforward, and now the 'consumer' is someone who is paying the bank fees to deposit or withdraw their own money, told when and how many times they are limited it's access and all while gaining 'interest' beneath the rate of inflation.
I suppose gamers are just waiting for the day where they too can grovel for whatever the publishers hand them and then thank them for being sodomized. I'm sure the Catholic Church wished it had that type of enviable position.
All while your consoles have gone up in price, you're paying $10 more per game and some people are apt to actually paying to play games online. The same games played for free on other platforms, the PC being probably the most notable.
Frankly, the point that MW won't feel the loss in sales is valid, so technically all new IP's should be targeted since they are a harder sell. In business terms, gaining a consumer is much more costly than retaining them, but I'm sure they did the adequate cost-benefit analysis and decided there are enough people willing to fork over $10 more, after all, any mouthbreather with a mic online can attest the the sort of intelligence they're dealing with.
Futhermore, popularizing secondary markets tends to have an industry-wide cascading effect (See book industry) as the net value of initial sales tends to drop the larger the secondary market gets.
It used to be that banks gave you an interest on your deposits as compensation for using your money to invest. Flashforward, and now the 'consumer' is someone who is paying the bank fees to deposit or withdraw their own money, told when and how many times they are limited it's access and all while gaining 'interest' beneath the rate of inflation.
I suppose gamers are just waiting for the day where they too can grovel for whatever the publishers hand them and then thank them for being sodomized. I'm sure the Catholic Church wished it had that type of enviable position.
MirageDwarf
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Eric WK said:
It's also cute how majority of today's gamers just welcome any bend-over moments with open arms and can't even imagine what will happen if this or something to the same effect on consoles becomes normal.
Vercingetorix
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MirageDwarf said:
Someone should seriously add up how many times in this thread gaffers have equated no dedicated servers with being sodomized.
Great analogy there, really apt! :lol
elrechazado
Banned
I decided after I didn't enjoy cod4 to not buy this, but I'm going to retcon my decision and make it be about this now.
Yeah, I know he said it and the room went silent. I want to know if he's said anything since Infinity Ward has been sanitizing their boards and shit.Vercingetorix said:
Don't fool yourself and blame Activision. Last week Inifinity Ward was bragging about how much clout they have (Activision didn't want to go modern, but we forced it). If they wanted dedicated servers they could have made it happen. They just didn't give enough of a fuck.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
I cancelled my reservation for the X360 version today. I have a problem with Activision and Kotick more than anything. Maybe the game will outshine the way this game has been handled and I will buy the PC version. Doubtful, but who knows.
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
Why do you bother posting in these threads? Do you feel right, or something? Some sort of bringer of sanity?Vercingetorix said:
You aren't. You're adding nothing. It'd be better if you stopped posting in these threads.
It's like you people want Activision to be stay so anti-consumer.
Vercingetorix
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BobsRevenge said:
No, it's that people like me disagree that they're anti-consumer in the first place. I know disagreement is apparently a difficult concept for many of you to grasp. Better to just label everyone who differs from your own opinion as a bunch of people willing to bend over for the evil corporations, right?
Activision made a decision regarding a video game. Some people don't like it. Some people don't have a problem with it. Some people think its ok. Is that really so hard to understand?
As for Eznark, I'm not a gambling man, but I'm betting it was Activision management that made the call here. Infinity Ward probably could have protested it and changed it, yeah, but I'm not going to blame them just because they didn't. I'm not blaming Activision either though, because I don't have a problem with it.
COD4 multiplayer on PC was a joke. 50 players in Shipment maps, people using wallhacks and aimbots blatantly without consequences, it was broken in my opinion. They're exercising more control over it now as a result, and if they can use that control to prevent hacking and exploiting then its more than justified in my opinion.
elrechazado
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Vercingetorix said:
nobody cheats in games with punkbuster :lol
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
See? You don't even know what you're talking about. Why bother?Vercingetorix said:
Vercingetorix said:
You seem to pretty much be the type of gamer he's talking about, since it's looking at the bigger picture. If the game still does well on PC other devs may look at the success and copy what they did($60, restricting custom content, PvP, etc). Accepting this stuff will just turn it into how the console market gets handled, paying to play online, buying DLC(most of it is free on PC), and more PC specific stuff like restricting the modding scene so the DLC they sell becomes more prevalent to actually play the game.
It's a bad business model to support for many people, and its success could end up making it a new standard.
Vercingetorix
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eznark said:
It's nice that you think you know more about what games I play than I do. Excuse me while I go play Sandbox 1.01.
I'm sure that if you guys keep it up, Activision and Infinity Ward will immediately apologize and reverse their decision. Just be sure to continue demonizing anyone and everyone who disagrees with you on videogames, that's sure to be a winning strategy right there.
I actually liked the SP of CoD4 even though I'd be hard pressed to play through its heavily scripted levels more than twice. And while I didn't get into CoD4's MP that much (still about 20 or 30 hours I think), with the addition of some more gametypes like CTF I can definitely see myself playing it quite a bit. Mr. Know-it-all.Ramirez said:Why pay for something you'll play for 2 hours and toss to the side? :lol
I would do this...but I'm afraid I'm going to have too much fun with this one to wait for a used copy.
EA did.Vercingetorix said:
After years of under-investing in their games and their employees, they eventually were forced to reevaluate their entire operating strategy. The EA of today is a great company. Employees and consumers that eventually put their foot down were the ones that forced them to become that company.
McLovin said:You guys buying it used are gonna have to wait a while. Its gonna be damn near impossible for the first couple of months. Why not buy something else to keep you busy? I'm getting Demon's Souls, then I'm gonna try to platinum most of my games
Man, I saw used copies of Halo 3 like a day after it came out. Doubt it'll be any different here.
criesofthepast
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I've never gotten the feeling that IW actually gave a shit about the community. PS3 support for COD4 was shit and I can't help but think the accolades they've gotten the past few years has gone straight to their heads.
Hope Naughty Dog and Insomniac never get to be like that. Not buying MW2.
Hope Naughty Dog and Insomniac never get to be like that. Not buying MW2.
jim-jam bongs
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elrechazao said:
And if you're not on a PB server then you're either a thief or an idiot, and either way have no right to complain about cheating.
elrechazado
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jim-jam bongs said:
This just in, not every game in the world uses punkbuster.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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elrechazao said:
Way to not follow the thread at all?
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