Brand new Sailor Moon anime series due July 2014 (Worldwide release planned)

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I'm assuming this is going to be a re-vamp (a la the new Star Trek movies) rather than a continuation, due to the age of the property.
 
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Want that Mercury toy. :3
 
SaintZ said:
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Happy to see a new date. Less happy to see Miss Drama credited as the source.

Their mere existence in proximity to the manga rerelease kind of disturbed me, what with their translations motivated by glory-hogging instead of filling a real need (they beat the previous Sailor Moon manga scanlation by one chapter before getting bored and quitting, and then they used the announcement of the legit return of the manga to America as an excuse to speedsub the whole thing, just so they could claim they were first), their day-one piracy of the legit manga, and their "error report" essays about how "wrong" the legit translations were, how their "style injected" speedsub translations were superior, and only attainable by those few Americans with the photoshopped credentials that allow you to teach Japanese literature to native Japanese people.
 
Cheerilee said:
Happy to see a new date. Less happy to see Miss Drama credited as the source.

Their mere existence in proximity to the manga rerelease kind of disturbed me, what with their translations motivated by glory-hogging instead of filling a real need (they beat the previous Sailor Moon manga scanlation by one chapter before getting bored and quitting, and then they used the announcement of the legit return of the manga to America as an excuse to speedsub the whole thing, just so they could claim they were first), their day-one piracy of the legit manga, and their "error report" essays about how "wrong" the legit translations were, how their "style injected" speedsub translations were superior, and only attainable by those few Americans with the photoshopped credentials that allow you to teach Japanese literature to native Japanese people.
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Pretty much all names involved with the unofficial English distribution of SM are either incompetents or assholes. Pretty much all official names before Pioneer and Kodansha USA have abused their respective properties as well, although ADV is arguably let off the hook because Toei handed them crap masters.
 
Cheerilee said:
Happy to see a new date. Less happy to see Miss Drama credited as the source.

Their mere existence in proximity to the manga rerelease kind of disturbed me, what with their translations motivated by glory-hogging instead of filling a real need (they beat the previous Sailor Moon manga scanlation by one chapter before getting bored and quitting, and then they used the announcement of the legit return of the manga to America as an excuse to speedsub the whole thing, just so they could claim they were first), their day-one piracy of the legit manga, and their "error report" essays about how "wrong" the legit translations were, how their "style injected" speedsub translations were superior, and only attainable by those few Americans with the photoshopped credentials that allow you to teach Japanese literature to native Japanese people.
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So basically the TV-Nihon of the Sailor Moon community?
 
The manga makes it explicitly clear that dwarf planets and other diminutive astronomical bodies can have Sailor Soldiers. Pluto is a non-issue when Ceres is part of the club.
 
Can someone explain to me in simple terms exactly why the final season of Sailor Moon was never dubbed and televised in NA?

My wife is a huge SM fan and she was never able to finish the series and wondered why this was.
 
DigitalRicket said:
Can someone explain to me in simple terms exactly why the final season of Sailor Moon was never dubbed and televised in NA?

My wife is a huge SM fan and she was never able to finish the series and wondered why this was.
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Short answer: The Starlights, female characters who disguise themselves as men and change gender when they transform.

Long answer: Sexual innuendo, violence, death(brutal by SM standards).
 
cj_iwakura said:
Short answer: The Starlights, female characters who disguise themselves as men and change gender when they transform.

Long answer: Sexual innuendo, violence, death(brutal by SM standards).
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S and Supers are filled with this. Supers in particular has the most non-age-appropriate imagery ever.
 
cj_iwakura said:
Short answer: The Starlights, female characters who disguise themselves as men and change gender when they transform.

Long answer: Sexual innuendo, violence, death(brutal by SM standards).
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has there been any statements released about the reasoning behind avoiding "taboo" issues by selectively dubbing parts of a series, even when it means sabotaging the whole story line?

EDIT: by the people who did the SM dub, specifically
 
Spring-Loaded said:
has there been any statements released about the reasoning behind avoiding "taboo" issues by selectively dubbing parts of a series, even when it means sabotaging the whole story line?
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I don't think a localization of Stars was ever on the table. Given how horrible S and Super S' dubs were, it's for the best.

(I genuinely think the DiC dubs were better.)
 
cj_iwakura said:
Short answer: The Starlights, female characters who disguise themselves as men and change gender when they transform.

Long answer: Sexual innuendo, violence, death(brutal by SM standards).
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I was under the impression that it had more to do with the legalities of rights to air the tv series in the US, along with other issues with Toei...
 
cj_iwakura said:
I don't think a localization of Stars was ever on the table. Given how horrible S and Super S' dubs were, it's for the best.

(I genuinely think the DiC dubs were better.)
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I think you're crazy. The DiC dub was a butcher job. Deleted eps, deleted scenes, reordered scenes, dialogue rewritten beyond recognition, all music stripped, cheap CG transitions, entire arcs shown out of order, etc.
 
Hitokage said:
I think you're crazy. The DiC dub was a butcher job. Deleted eps, deleted scenes, reordered scenes, dialogue rewritten beyond recognition, all music stripped, cheap CG transitions, entire arcs shown out of order, etc.
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It was a butcher job and they changed things around, but I found the DiC dub way superior anyway! Voice-acting-wise and sound-wise, much muuuuch better. Plus, it all flowed well enough to my preteen eyes. I am really not a fan of the original music and original focus on "I am so sad I'm dead I never kissed a boy"/"miracle romance" though, so I am biased. lol

So glad the new season finally has a tentative date! *__*
 
Prax said:
It was a butcher job and they changed things around, but I found the DiC dub way superior anyway! Voice-acting-wise and sound-wise, much muuuuch better. Plus, it all flowed well enough to my preteen eyes. I am really not a fan of the original music and original focus on "I am so sad I'm dead I never kissed a boy"/"miracle romance" though, so I am biased. lol
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Wat.
 
Hitokage said:
I think you're crazy. The DiC dub was a butcher job. Deleted eps, deleted scenes, reordered scenes, dialogue rewritten beyond recognition, all music stripped, cheap CG transitions, entire arcs shown out of order, etc.
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But what about such great lines like "AND JUPITER ALSO!"
 
DigitalRicket said:
I was under the impression that it had more to do with the legalities of rights to air the tv series in the US, along with other issues with Toei...
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DiC apparently bought the North American rights to the entire TV series. They chopped up a 65-episode package for syndication, and then they sold off all the merchandising rights. They didn't bother making any more episodes after the first 65, because there were no more rights left to sell. Irwin Toys (together with the YTV network in Canada) paid DiC to get off their butts and make 17 more episodes, because they didn't like watching their toy license fade into nothing. But they were only able to push 17 episodes.

Pioneer was talking to Cloverway, and they figured out that DiC only owned the TV series rights, not the movie rights, so Pioneer bought the movie rights from Japan via Cloverway, and was able to release the movies that way.

I don't believe that seasons 3-5 were ever "unlicensed", DiC was just sitting on them. I remember people claiming that the last 17 episodes of SMR were "unlicensed" until DiC "licensed" them. How can you license/unlicense individual episodes? When DiC's right to the TV series (which is different from their right make money with the two seasons they did put together, and different from their eternal grip on the dub's voice and soundtrack) expired and wasn't renewed, it defaulted back to Toei, and it was immediately snapped up by Cloverway, who found an eager partner in the Cartoon Network. I believe that at this point Cloverway had the total rights position that DiC once held, which was a "TV series" license. I think that Cloverway could have redubbed the whole series if they had wanted to, but they clearly didn't want to, because they went out of their way to hire Optimum and pretend that there was no difference between them and DiC (which is the same thing that Pioneer did with the movies). I can't imagine that Toei took this opportunity to break the TV rights into seasons, and then gave 3&4 to Cloverway but held back 5 for whatever reason.

I think Cloverway had the rights for seasons 1-5, but that they were under orders (maybe even their own orders) not to touch season 5 for whatever reason.
 
Cheerilee said:
DiC apparently bought the North American rights to the entire TV series. They chopped up a 65-episode package for syndication, and then they sold off all the merchandising rights. They didn't bother making any more episodes after the first 65, because there were no more rights left to sell. Irwin Toys (together with the YTV network in Canada) paid DiC to get off their butts and make 17 more episodes, because they didn't like watching their toy license fade into nothing. But they were only able to push 17 episodes.

Pioneer was talking to Cloverway, and they figured out that DiC only owned the TV series rights, not the movie rights, so Pioneer bought the movie rights from Japan via Cloverway, and was able to release the movies that way.

I don't believe that seasons 3-5 were ever "unlicensed", DiC was just sitting on them. I remember people claiming that the last 17 episodes of SMR were "unlicensed" until DiC "licensed" them. How can you license/unlicense individual episodes? When DiC's right to the TV series (which is different from their right make money with the two seasons they did put together, and different from their eternal grip on the dub's voice and soundtrack) expired and wasn't renewed, it defaulted back to Toei, and it was immediately snapped up by Cloverway, who found an eager partner in the Cartoon Network. I believe that at this point Cloverway had the total rights position that DiC once held, which was a "TV series" license. I think that Cloverway could have redubbed the whole series if they had wanted to, but they clearly didn't want to, because they went out of their way to hire Optimum and pretend that there was no difference between them and DiC (which is the same thing that Pioneer did with the movies). I can't imagine that Toei took this opportunity to break the TV rights into seasons, and then gave 3&4 to Cloverway but held back 5 for whatever reason.

I think Cloverway had the rights for seasons 1-5, but that they were under orders (maybe even their own orders) not to touch season 5 for whatever reason.
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Great explanation. Thanks for that clarification considering there are so many theories online as to why the show was "canceled", or rather simply why it was never properly finished in its dub form.
 
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I always imagined some kind of hand-camera comedy setting where you see the evil guys standing there confused, waiting for sailor moon to finish flying around transforming without all the flashy backgrounds etc.
 
Damon Bennet said:
I always imagined some kind of hand-camera comedy setting where you see the evil guys standing there confused, waiting for sailor moon to finish flying around transforming without all the flashy backgrounds etc.
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I thought it was always believed that to the bad guys it only looks they change forms in seconds? :)
 
Nice, very nice :) cannot wait to see the new Sailor Moon! Hopefully they will release new trailers or images of it in August to start the hype machine?
 
Cheerilee said:
DiC apparently bought the North American rights to the entire TV series. They chopped up a 65-episode package for syndication, and then they sold off all the merchandising rights. They didn't bother making any more episodes after the first 65, because there were no more rights left to sell. Irwin Toys (together with the YTV network in Canada) paid DiC to get off their butts and make 17 more episodes, because they didn't like watching their toy license fade into nothing. But they were only able to push 17 episodes.

Pioneer was talking to Cloverway, and they figured out that DiC only owned the TV series rights, not the movie rights, so Pioneer bought the movie rights from Japan via Cloverway, and was able to release the movies that way.

I don't believe that seasons 3-5 were ever "unlicensed", DiC was just sitting on them. I remember people claiming that the last 17 episodes of SMR were "unlicensed" until DiC "licensed" them. How can you license/unlicense individual episodes? When DiC's right to the TV series (which is different from their right make money with the two seasons they did put together, and different from their eternal grip on the dub's voice and soundtrack) expired and wasn't renewed, it defaulted back to Toei, and it was immediately snapped up by Cloverway, who found an eager partner in the Cartoon Network. I believe that at this point Cloverway had the total rights position that DiC once held, which was a "TV series" license. I think that Cloverway could have redubbed the whole series if they had wanted to, but they clearly didn't want to, because they went out of their way to hire Optimum and pretend that there was no difference between them and DiC (which is the same thing that Pioneer did with the movies). I can't imagine that Toei took this opportunity to break the TV rights into seasons, and then gave 3&4 to Cloverway but held back 5 for whatever reason.

I think Cloverway had the rights for seasons 1-5, but that they were under orders (maybe even their own orders) not to touch season 5 for whatever reason.
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I'm having serious 'Save Our Sailors' flashbacks now....
 
Misappropriation of a gold mine. A lot of the floundering of rights makes me wonder if someone a little higher up like Discovery, Turner or Disney were holding things up. The Sailor Moon licence still glistens to this day, even though people who didn't know what they were doing were responsible for it's american popularity almost 15 years ago. And the HUB is making a business in re-appropriating 80's and 90's nostalgia...

And as always, Makoto is the best, hands down, dead to rights.
 
Mesoian said:
Misappropriation of a gold mine. A lot of the floundering of rights makes me wonder if someone a little higher up like Discovery, Turner or Disney were holding things up. The Sailor Moon licence still glistens to this day, even though people who didn't know what they were doing were responsible for it's american popularity almost 15 years ago. And the HUB is making a business in re-appropriating 80's and 90's nostalgia...

And as always, Makoto is the best, hands down, dead to rights.
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one...wonders.

could this be another Thundercats (2011) mishap?

or the rebirth of anime business in the states, on a legit basis?
 
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