triplestation
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This show is flawless. Go watch it and don't come back into S4 thread until you've caught up. This show is intense and gradually gets tenser. Just sit back and enjoy the ride. See you back here in a few days.Sentry said:
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dave is ok
aztek is ok
In the podcast, Vince Gilligan doesn't confirm or deny the gay
Al-ibn Kermit
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It's ambiguous whether Gus had a relationship with Max but it would make sense with how he just threw himself at Tio without any care of the consequences. Also, Tio's insult and the way Max defended him so strongly and said he could not work without him suggests that there was more than just a friendship. I guess that would make Gus bisexual then as he does have a wife and kids today.
Also, Gus naming the scholarship after Max may give Hank a lead into figuring out exactly who Gus is (if Max's name isn't another fake identity). It doesn't make sense though how if Gus is so damn careful about hiding his activities, that he wouldn't make up a fake identity with at least a few records that stretch back to before 1986. The Don confirms at the end that Gus is really from Chile and that his reputation or record shows him being important enough to the Don to keep him alive so now it just remains to be seen who/what Gus was in Chile.
It's possible that the reason Gus can't go back to Chile to obtain fake records is that he's wanted either by the Chilean police or by rival drug dealers. The thing is that when he went to meet the Don, he definitely did not have the attitude of a former death squad cronie or foreign drug kingpin or anything. He just looked totally intimidated by the Don. Considering he was able to finance Max's education, he could have just been from a privileged family which would explain why the Don didn't want to kill him.
Side note but it's interesting how everybody has a car that fits their personality. Walt has the nerdy Aztek, Marie has a bubbly VW Bug, and obviously Gus has the conservative and practical Volvo which has that male penis logo (who knows maybe that means he prefers men?).
PS: What the shit was Jesse's shirt? It was the awfulest, sparkliest Ed Hardy hot topic shit. I'm not sure what it means about his personality that he wears that shirt and plays Rage.
Also, Gus naming the scholarship after Max may give Hank a lead into figuring out exactly who Gus is (if Max's name isn't another fake identity). It doesn't make sense though how if Gus is so damn careful about hiding his activities, that he wouldn't make up a fake identity with at least a few records that stretch back to before 1986. The Don confirms at the end that Gus is really from Chile and that his reputation or record shows him being important enough to the Don to keep him alive so now it just remains to be seen who/what Gus was in Chile.
It's possible that the reason Gus can't go back to Chile to obtain fake records is that he's wanted either by the Chilean police or by rival drug dealers. The thing is that when he went to meet the Don, he definitely did not have the attitude of a former death squad cronie or foreign drug kingpin or anything. He just looked totally intimidated by the Don. Considering he was able to finance Max's education, he could have just been from a privileged family which would explain why the Don didn't want to kill him.
Side note but it's interesting how everybody has a car that fits their personality. Walt has the nerdy Aztek, Marie has a bubbly VW Bug, and obviously Gus has the conservative and practical Volvo which has that male penis logo (who knows maybe that means he prefers men?).
PS: What the shit was Jesse's shirt? It was the awfulest, sparkliest Ed Hardy hot topic shit. I'm not sure what it means about his personality that he wears that shirt and plays Rage.
Superimposer
This is getting weirder all the time
Where the fuck did this gay stuff come from? Obviously it can't be answered either way based on what happened in the flashback, but why is there reason to even discuss it? Because Gus was sad when his friend was killed? Come on.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
The editor, Kelly Dixon and Manny from Scarface think they are gay.
SpeedingUptoStop
will totally Facebook friend you! *giggle* *LOL*
If you paid for somebody's entire life and friendship in order for them to make you millions of dollars and some douchebag just shot him in the head, wouldn't that have to mean you were gay for eachother.
triplestation
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I don't even know where to stand.
I want to see Hector die because he's an all around asshole.
His genes are evident in the twins and Tuco.
Not so sure about Gus, anymore since eo8 made me really feel for his decency.
However, he did kill Mike's former partner just because he showed up at Gale's murder scene.
So I have no idea really where to stand there.
(One thing I wanna point out about Mike's former partner: I think he cared deeply about Gale. Maybe even too deeply. Just saying.)
I'm still with Jesse because he genuinely feels incredible guilt for the things he's done.
In turn of this, he's become tons more selfless.
He wants to check up on that chick and her son, Brock.
He shows concern for their well being.
Still sticking with Walt, too. Doubt that'll ever change.
He's remained mature and professional since day 1.
I want to see Hector die because he's an all around asshole.
His genes are evident in the twins and Tuco.
Not so sure about Gus, anymore since eo8 made me really feel for his decency.
However, he did kill Mike's former partner just because he showed up at Gale's murder scene.
So I have no idea really where to stand there.
(One thing I wanna point out about Mike's former partner: I think he cared deeply about Gale. Maybe even too deeply. Just saying.)
I'm still with Jesse because he genuinely feels incredible guilt for the things he's done.
In turn of this, he's become tons more selfless.
He wants to check up on that chick and her son, Brock.
He shows concern for their well being.
Still sticking with Walt, too. Doubt that'll ever change.
He's remained mature and professional since day 1.
blahblah...blah
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Superimposer said:
I'll admit to not really picking up on that subtext when I first watched it, although I did find the homophobic joke from Tio out of place. Now that it's been pointed out to me, however, it does make sense.
dave is ok said:
Yes, but Vince Gilligan never commits to anything during these podcasts, opting instead to leave it all up to interpretation. If he was asked if Walt actually had cancer or not, he'd probably say it was 'up to interpretation'. Hyperbole aside, he admitted it was a possibility, and Kelly Dixon and the actors involved seem to believe that there was that subtext, and that's how Giancarlo played it (according to Steve Bauer, who played Don Eladio).
The Big Rig
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FUUUUUU
Holy shit what an episode.
Holy shit what an episode.
Superimposer
This is getting weirder all the time
blahblah...blah said:
Which homophobic joke? This thread is starting to scare me about my short-term memory. I feel like there's something wrong with me!
Superimposer said:
Because it was much much more emotinal when they were justifying why they need each other, compared to how walt stood up for jesse.
Then again walt has no problem stripping down into his tighty whities for jesse.
hmmm time for some breaking bad fan erotica i think.
blahblah...blah
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Superimposer said:
Homophobic was the wrong word, but I can't think of the right one. It was when Tio was pissing in the pool and he looked at Max and Gus and said "they like what they see" and made a kissing gesture.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Doubly awesome, because much like Gus - his spanish blowsAmir0x said:
-Pyromaniac-
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I'm so glad I don't know any spanish because man you guys whine a lot about that shit, lol.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
I'm not a fluent spanish speaker. The only way I can tell if an actors spanish blows is if I can understand it. They just talk much slower and the words don't seem to flow into eachother as much-Pyromaniac- said:
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Amir0x said:
Even though I knew it was the case, it took me a long time to wrap my head around the fact that Margolis played both old and young Tio! I also really liked that he played young Tio like he had already had a minor stroke / showed symptoms of an impending one - great attention to detail.
Sentry said:
This baffles me... Enjoy the show as you view the episodes and form your own thoughts. Why go into this full-bore with everyone else's opinions in hopes to pre-color your own? Makes absolutely no sense.
Maybe when you get caught up you can come back in here and offer new, provocative insights that no one else can offer.
AlternativeUlster
Absolutely pathetic part deux
The episode to me showed 2 things: it is a foreshadow to the growth of Walt`s power with the flashbacks of Gus when he started and B) that Walt doesn`t trust Jesse anymore and perhaps Jesse will die by Walt`s hand. God damn.
Lumpy Onion
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Damn that was an amazing episode. Glad they finally revealed more about Gus.
Also, LOL at the Grandparents Polka song.
Also, LOL at the Grandparents Polka song.
Jason's Ultimatum
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AlternativeUlster said:
Don't forget the contrast between Gus and his partner, who were very close judging by the flashback scenes compared to how Walt and Jesse act towards each other.
Exclamation-One
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I wouldn't count Victor here. If anything Gus killed him because, in addition to getting spotted at the crime scene, he WASN'T a cook and didn't respect the chemistry.Woo-Fu said:
fierrotlepou
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Episode was great. Loved the Gus scene, this just makes me love his character even more. At the moment he's much more interesting than Walt. Walt just comes across as a whiner now.
By the way, does anyone else think that Hank should see that something's up with Walt? Walt just seems TOO nervous all the time around Hank when he's speaking about Gus or the case he's working on. I mean if I was Hank I would see that he's acting a bit too weird.
By the way, does anyone else think that Hank should see that something's up with Walt? Walt just seems TOO nervous all the time around Hank when he's speaking about Gus or the case he's working on. I mean if I was Hank I would see that he's acting a bit too weird.
-Pyromaniac-
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nah that's unfair to Hank. It's one of those things that we can't judge because we are the audience and we know tons more than Hank does. Hank just knows Walt is his family basically, they are bros, he'd probably never think twice about him at this point.eravulgaris said:
Could change in the future though.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Anyone else think that the season long theme of surveillance will pay off in one of the last episodes? Either the DEA getting hold of Gus's laptop or the tapes from Pollos that show Walt going there?
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
eravulgaris said:
That is the one thing I find odd Hank can catch any drug dealer but can't catch the one sitting right next to him.
fierrotlepou
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-Pyromaniac- said:
You're right about that, but Walt's acting weird all the time. He's a chemistry genius, he's been on a drunken rant about Gale not being that good and that there's got to be someone better, he's gotten very, very rich in a short period(by 'gambling', I know), ...
I'm not going to keep hammering on this of course, it's not a big deal. It's just odd.
-Pyromaniac-
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He has (had) cancer, that's like a free pass to always look nervous/sad/mad.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
This last episode was easily the best of the series.
blahblah...blah
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dave is ok said:
Absolutely. Final shot of this season will undoubtedly be Hank firing up the surveillance CDs recovered from Los Pollos and seeing Walt staring right back at him.
TheQueen'sOwn
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Exclamation-One said:
That's very true. Puts things in a bit more perspective to me.
Probably pissed Gus off that Victor was dismissing the chemistry side of things / Max's role.
TheLastFantasy
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dave is ok said:
Holy crap if that were to happen. I mean it's obviously going to have some sort of effect on the plot eventually, but just imagining the DEA getting a hold of it gives me the chills.
-Pyromaniac-
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As far as we know the laptop is just showing a live feed. So if the DEA were to take the laptop, someone like Mike or Tyrus would just take off the cameras in the lab.
= no problemo.
= no problemo.
FantasticMrFoxdie
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Another great episode.
I totally called them showing some of Gus' background before the season started. Gus is a really intriguing character and i'm glad they finally explained some of his history.
On another note, wtf! where the hell did Gus being bisexual come from. Are we all watching the same TV show here?
I totally called them showing some of Gus' background before the season started. Gus is a really intriguing character and i'm glad they finally explained some of his history.
On another note, wtf! where the hell did Gus being bisexual come from. Are we all watching the same TV show here?
Superimposer
This is getting weirder all the time
KevinRo said:
I think there's definitely a different motive as to why he's doing that to Jesse. I don't know what it is yet, but grooming him as Walt's successor it is not (I think).
-Pyromaniac-
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I'm pretty sure Gus is just hoping to remove Jesse out of the equation by either a) using him as a tool to kill Walt somehow or b) causing walt not to care about jesse anymore so Gus can just kill off jesse because he may still think he is a liability or 3) Drive a wrench in between their relationship AND gain an extra footsoldier against the cartel.
Foliorum Viridum
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I don't think the intention of that scene was to imply Gus was gay. Of course, it's a valid reading, but I didn't see it that way. Wonderful scene it was, too. I love that they had the balls to do such a long scene with subtitles. I know it's a small thing, but this is a world where films that aren't in the English language get remade in the same year for dumb audiences who can't/won't read subtitles.
I also loved Mike pulling up alongside Hank and Walter in the car park. The way he just pulled out a paper and glanced over was so bad ass.
This did a pretty good job of making me curious about who Gus was in Chile and what he did there, but I hope it doesn't become a huge thing. Pretty sure he was probably just involved with drugs and it doesn't need any more explanation than that.
I also loved Mike pulling up alongside Hank and Walter in the car park. The way he just pulled out a paper and glanced over was so bad ass.
This did a pretty good job of making me curious about who Gus was in Chile and what he did there, but I hope it doesn't become a huge thing. Pretty sure he was probably just involved with drugs and it doesn't need any more explanation than that.
BlueTsunami
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Foliorum Viridum said:
I'm thinking he's the son of someone powerful in the Chilean Government? It has to be pretty big for a cartel boss to leave you alone but not big enough that it would pop out to the DEA.
Foliorum Viridum
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That also sounds like a reasonable assumption to me!
blahblah...blah
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I knew the flashback location looked familiar, based on a set photograph accompanying a newspaper article about Breaking Bad a few months ago. For those who don't mind mild spoilers:
I suspect we'll revisit the same set, in the present day, in the next couple of episodes. If you look at this picture closely, you can make out Gus in a grey blazer sitting on a sunbed in the middle of the shot. It looks like the locale is now being used for a pool party or some such.
mysticwhip
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makes sense since Mike was a cop afterall.harSon said:
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