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[99hertz]

Sorry, my spanish is shit. But what did gus say in the beginging when talking to Hector? He said, "This is what comes of blood for blood, Hector." Then says something like, "Songray por songray." No doubt I spelled it wrong, someone tell me what it means?

Sangre = Blood
por = for

"blood for blood"

 

[Game-Biz]

Ah, thanks guys!

 

[Dan]

Just read the AVClub review and this entire TV season I haven't been understanding their reviews. I feel like they'll consistently give As to episodes I think are good and then something like a B+ to an episode that I loved while having pretty much the same content in each review.

Same advice for people on the gaming side: stop paying attention to scores.

So, in One Minute, Gus warned Hank confirmed?

I don't know why people are still waiting for this to be clarified. It was always obvious that Gus or someone on his behalf made the call.

 

[99hertz]

So, any theories on Gus's Chilean past? he was obviously someone important or related to someone important. Perhaps the son of a politician or drug kingpin out there?

hmm..


Man, what a damn good episode that was.

I think he's just a business guy who started selling drugs then he wanted to get a bigger cut by manufacturing the stuff. That explains why he send his partner to study chemistry. Then he started to expand to other countries but couldn't get his product to be sold by the Cartel. So he did some stuff to get their attention and then the meeting happened. My doubt comes in when the Cartel Boss guy says "This is not Chile". I guess he says that because Chile lacks a "drug selling organization" like the Cartel (that basically what Cartel means) so people do business in a disorganized manner or more locally. That's basically what Walter and Jesse did.

I seriously doubt where are going to see more about Gus' past. Maybe they will give us more details about his relationship with the Cartel. I think they're just going to put out more details using Hank's investigation as a medium but they won't be anything that you couldn't infer.

 

[PaleFolklore]

Tonight's episode was amazing. This season is really starting to pick up. I hope we get another flashback next episode. I didn't even realize Don Eludio was Steven Bauer until I read this thread. Guess it has been a while since I've seen Scarface.

Can't wait for the next episode!

 

[99hertz]

Can someone post a YouTube link for the sneak peek when it's available? I can't watch it on the AMC website.

 

[Lord Voldemort]

can someone please post the pic of jesse and walt dressed as tucos grandpa and a xhiclen?

 

[Sye d'Burns]

So, any theories on Gus's Chilean past? he was obviously someone important or related to someone important. Perhaps the son of a politician or drug kingpin out there?

hmm..


Man, what a damn good episode that was.

Spoiler

Didn't Tio refer to Gus as Generalissimo to someone on the phone in the flashback when we saw the cousins as children? Maybe he was in with the Pinochet government. It would explain how he managed to disappear from all records.

 

[sixteen-bit]

can someone please post the pic of jesse and walt dressed as tucos grandpa and a xhiclen?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29080690&postcount=2

Second post in this thread, FYI

 

[Black Mamba]

I think he's just a business guy who started selling drugs then he wanted to get a bigger cut by manufacturing the stuff. That explains why he send his partner to study chemistry. Then he started to expand to other countries but couldn't get his product to be sold by the Cartel. So he did some stuff to get their attention and then the meeting happened. My doubt comes in when the Cartel Boss guy says "This is not Chile". I guess he says that because Chile lacks a "drug selling organization" like the Cartel (that basically what Cartel means) so people do business in a disorganized manner or more locally. That's basically what Walter and Jesse did.

I seriously doubt where are going to see more about Gus' past. Maybe they will give us more details about his relationship with the Cartel. I think they're just going to put out more details using Hank's investigation as a medium but they won't be anything that you couldn't infer.

they made too much of a point of emphasis about Gus's real name not to reveal it's importance later. He was obviously somebody in Chile worth knowing. It's the reason he wasn't killed in the first place.

 

[Sye d'Burns]

About Gus being gay? Watching that flashback, it didn't even occur to me they were anything more than a walt/jesse mirror.

When Walt was invited to Gus' house for dinner, weren't there toys in the living room or dining room? I remember seeing toys for some reason. That's not to say he couldn't be gay, I guess I just don't see what everyone else is seeing.

 

[JoJoShabadoo]

Hell yeah good episode. I laughed at the way they talked about Walt's cancer at the lunch table. Sounded like they were talking about the neighbor or some shit.

 

[99hertz]

Spoiler

Didn't Tio refer to Gus as Generalissimo to someone on the phone in the flashback when we saw the cousins as children? Maybe he was in with the Pinochet government. It would explain how he managed to disappear from all records.

Oh fuck. I just don't care about Gus' past. I just want crazy shit to happen. Going into Gus' past means that he will be speaking more in Spanish and that's no fun.

For me he's just a Martian with no emotions that came to Earth to fuck shit up.

Anyways...yeah, I could see him as a low-key politician or something related.

 

[markot]

HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!

So great ^_^

I have loved all the episodes this season, but they just seem to get better and better. Gus... wow.

Cant wait for next week!

And gus' past is great, it explains everything going on in the wider picture beyond just Walter. It isnt just this money making scheme for him, he isnt just a business man, its utterly personal for him, all of it, everything he has done, he has planned probably since the death of his 'brother'. How he went on about blood for blood being bad business, but its driven everything he has done.

An learning more about Tio, and Gus, everyone of them, it adds so much more to everything that is going on. Tio went from an old incontinent dude in a wheel chair to a psychopath whos life has been integral to whats going on.

 

[99hertz]

they made too much of a point of emphasis about Gus's real name not to reveal it's importance later. He was obviously somebody in Chile worth knowing. It's the reason he wasn't killed in the first place.

Yeah, I guess I'm taking want I want to happen as arguments.


It's just that if he was some kind of big figure politician in Chile he would have more control over his negotiations with the Cartel. It doesn't make sense that he would be a big figure in the drug related world since he's basically begging the Cartel and had to resort to doing what he did to get their attention. The things that makes sense to me was if he was a big business man with lot of connections that had already made a lot of drug deals and was thinking of extending his business. And that's boring stuff for the show.

Basically I think they're just going "Oh this guy was this guy in Chile, so that means he's really connected to the drug stuff".

Those are my thoughts. I guess it's just matter of waiting and see how they connect everything.

 

[Sye d'Burns]

Oh fuck. I just don't care about Gus' past. I just want crazy shit to happen. Going into Gus' past means that he will be speaking more in Spanish and that's no fun.

For me he's just a Martian with no emotions that came to Earth to fuck shit up.

Anyways...yeah, I could see him as a low-key politician or something related.

they made too much of a point of emphasis about Gus's real name not to reveal it's importance later. He was obviously somebody in Chile worth knowing. It's the reason he wasn't killed in the first place.

Black Mamba said it best.

Embrace the Spanish.

¿Cómo se dice Breaking Bad Accent?

 

[Persona7]

I was just thinking about last season.

Spoiler

When Mike went to that chemical warehouse and killed all the cartel guys how is the warehouse owners gunshots explained? I thought gunshot wounds being treated at a hospital had to be reported to the police?

 

[markot]

I was just thinking about last season.

Spoiler

When Mike went to that chemical warehouse and killed all the cartel guys how is the warehouse owners gunshots explained? I thought gunshot wounds being treated at a hospital had to be reported to the police?

Yeah, that bit always confused me... Maybe Mike was confident that none of it would trace back so he was willing to give it to the police as a gang war? I dunno >.<

 

[Sye d'Burns]

It's just that if he was some kind of big figure politician in Chile he would have more control over his negotiations with the Cartel. It doesn't make sense that he would be a big figure in the drug related world since he's basically begging the Cartel and had to resort to doing what he did to get their attention. The things that makes sense to me was if he was a big business man with lot of connections that had already made a lot of drug deals and was thinking of extending his business. And that's boring stuff for the show.

Basically I think they're just going "Oh this guy was this guy in Chile, so that means he's really connected to the drug stuff".

Those are my thoughts. I guess it's just matter of waiting and see how they connect everything.

Off the cuff I would say that the fact he was somebody in Chile was the reason he isn't the lost hermano.

To my knowledge (which is limited) Chile isn't big into drug trafficking. They do have a history of US backed dictatorship however.

Edit: Ehhhhh, maybe not Chile Narcotics Trafficking

Chile long remained relatively unaffected either by drug trafficking or by extensive drug abuse. Some expansion, both of drug trafficking and of narcotics abuse, occurred during the late 1960s and early 1970s, reflecting an international trend. By the early 1970s, Chile had become an important regional center for cocaine processing. The problem had become sufficiently acute to occasion the passage of the country's first antinarcotics law by Allende's Popular Unity government early in 1973. Later that year, the military government formed a special narcotics unit within the Caribineros and began a big crackdown. This was highly effective, bringing the narcotics problem under control within a year. The Carabineros also pioneered the introduction of antinarcoticsoriented , youth education programs. A pilot project was set up in 1976, eight years before any comparable program was initiated in the United States. Toward the end of the period of military rule, a new form of drug-related crime was noted in the northern Chilean provinces adjoining the Bolivian and Peruvian frontiers: the illicit exporting to Peru and Bolivia of chemicals used in the processing of cocaine.

Since the early 1980s, drug trafficking has been growing in Chile. The country has become more prone to drug trafficking not only because of its geographic configuration and location, bordering on the world's two leading producers of coca--Peru and Bolivia--but also because of its economic stability. With its openmarket economy and bank-secrecy laws, Chile is an attractive haven for money laundering. A number of drug traffickers who were expelled by the military regime after the 1973 coup cultivated contacts with drug-trafficking groups while living in exile in the United States and Europe. On returning to Chile to reside, these traffickers, acting as finance men and heads of operations, profited from their international contacts. Chile served as a good transit country also because of its booming export activities. In mid-1992 an operational director of the Carabineros reported that money obtained through drug trafficking was being laundered through the construction industry in central Chile and the fishing industry in the far south.

...

 

[99hertz]

Black Mamba said it best.

Embrace the Spanish.

¿Cómo se dice Breaking Bad Accent?

Next episode is going to be about Gus past and how learned English and his teacher correcting his accent.

And then I kill myself.

 

[tokkun]

what was the deal with the ending scene? why was gus saying "is today the day?" to hector? just went over my head.

Waiting for Hector to die. It seems like Gus goes there every now and again to give him news in hopes he'll croak, is what I got from it.

I had a different take on it. Tio is probably not the sort of person to be afraid of death, especially not in his current state. And if Gus wanted Tio dead, he could no doubt accomplish it in a discrete way.

I think that Gus comes there to taunt him. Tio wants to kill Gus but is too old and feeble to do it. Gus is saying "maybe today you'll have the strength to stop me" and each time Tio fails. It would be a more subtle and effective type of torture for that sort of man.

 

[99hertz]

Off the cuff I would say that the fact he was somebody in Chile was the reason he isn't the lost hermano.

To my knowledge (which is limited) Chile isn't big into drug trafficking. They do have a history of US backed dictatorship however.

I don't want to seem like I'm doing "damage control", but my point is that they will not show much more into Gus' past. I'm not saying he wasn't someone big, I say exactly that. Yes, they might get more info about his name or past, but there will be no more flashbacks or stuff like that.


This is silly, seeing that I have forgotten some details about the show and even what I said, I'm just wrong and will stop now. I guess I will have to watch the show dubbed.

 

[Sye d'Burns]

Listen man, I'm been privy to the next episode's contents and lemme just tell ya'll, I'm just gonna spoil it out right, Walt fucks Ted, okay, I said it, fuck you, Walt, we're done here, Breaking Mike starts now.

The look on Skyler's face is going to be priceless!


One thing that isn't so clear to me... Walt knows Mike bugged his house. The thought never crosses his mind that Jesse's house may be bugged as well?

 

[big ander]

I had a different take on it. Tio is probably not the sort of person to be afraid of death, especially not in his current state. And if Gus wanted Tio dead, he could no doubt accomplish it in a discrete way.

I think that Gus comes there to taunt him. Tio wants to kill Gus but is too old and feeble to do it. Gus is saying "maybe today you'll have the strength to stop me" and each time Tio fails. It would be a more subtle and effective type of torture for that sort of man.

Oh I definitely think he's there to torture him, but I don't think it's about Tio being too weak to kill Gus. It's about Gus rubbing in Tio's face the fact that his sons and grandsons and great nephews and all are dying every day, Gus has a place of power, and there's nothing Tio can do but wait to die.

 

[Mindlog]

Oh fuck. I just don't care about Gus' past. I just want crazy shit to happen. Going into Gus' past means that he will be speaking more in Spanish and that's no fun.

I liked the way they structured the flashback so most of the talking was done by his cook. Gus is a fantastic character, but his spanish is almost a scene killer.

I still want to learn more about his past. Maybe they can go back so far that they use a different actor

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

The look on Skyler's face is going to be priceless!


One thing that isn't so clear to me... Walt knows Mike bugged his house. The thought never crosses his mind that Jesse's house may be bugged as well?

He kind of tried to conceal it this episode, but he also propositioned Mike a few episodes ago, so maybe he's hoping Mike changes his mind, if he is concerned at all.

 

[Sye d'Burns]

My take on the ultimatum posed to Gus - http://youtu.be/yxYrjWMvmdg

Spoiler

The cartel's runnin' hot
because they weren't getting respect
Talkin' 'bout some "Heisenburg"
Who owns the market now
No one knows the man
Since they've never seen his face
The cartel's 'bout respect
And they ain't forgiving
But that homie's dead.
He just doesn't know it yet.

 

[99hertz]

I liked the way they structured the flashback so most of the talking was done by his cook. Gus is a fantastic character, but his spanish is almost a scene killer.

I still want to learn more about his past. Maybe they can go back so far that they use a different actor

Yeah, at this point I'm just obsessed about it but his accent takes my suspension of disbelief and cuts its throat with a box cutter. I guess this why I love Seinfeld so much. I will stop being the crazy accent guy now, peace everyone.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

I don't know a lick of Spanish, so his stilted intense delivery is JAWMAZING.

 

[Black Mamba]

in fairness, Chilean Spanish is a bit different. Spanish speakers often complain about Chilean Spanish.

 

[Zertez]

Very good episode tonight. Im curious who Gus was in Chile. He seem to have the respect of the cartel enough not to kill him and with as quickly as they killed his partner, there is something more than just not knowing the rules. The cartel knows him and unless he was someone of importance, there is no reason for them to know his name.

After tonight, I definitely think Gus/Mike have Jesses place bugged. Walt was suggesting Jesse kill Gus tonight and just a few minutes later he gets a text the meeting for the night was off because the Boss was busy. It could just be a coincidence, but at this point everything seems to happen for a reason. Walt being involved with Hanks undercover investigation gives him a lot of leverage and it will make it tough for Gus to make a move now, if he wants to keep his operation going.

Gus seems to be two steps ahead of everyone mainly because he has moles and people feeding him information from the inside, I have a feeling the person that will get to Gus will be someone who doesnt have much to do with him at this point. Someone from his past or someone small looking for revenge will end up taking him out. He will win against the cartel, but it will come out of no where. I really liked the flashbacks and hope there is a few more, it will be interesting if the flashbacks start to run parallel to the way things happening to Walt and if it will turn Walt into a person similar to Gus.

 

[iAmMaximus]

Breaking Bad > anything else on tv. By miles.

 

[Flash]

Not sure if I'm looking to much into it, but I couldn't help but notice the way Gus and Gomez were purposefully avoiding each other. They didn't really make eye contact, didn't shake hands, and just in general kept their interactions to a minimal. Not sure if this means anything or not...

 

[brianjones]

hank knows he's bullshitting and gus knows he knows

he just can't prove it yet

oh you said gomez lol

 

[Sye d'Burns]

One thing that isn't so clear to me... Walt knows Mike bugged his house. The thought never crosses his mind that Jesse's house may be bugged as well?

After tonight, I definitely think Gus/Mike have Jesses place bugged. Walt was suggesting Jesse kill Gus tonight and just a few minutes later he gets a text the meeting for the night was off because the Boss was busy. It could just be a coincidence, but at this point everything seems to happen for a reason. Walt being involved with Hanks undercover investigation gives him a lot of leverage and it will make it tough for Gus to make a move now, if he wants to keep his operation going.

I'm tempted to believe that as well but I can't ignore the fact that Jesse helped provide security with ricin in his cigarette pack, and was even given a gun, after he and Walt discussed it in Jesse's house prior. I mean, ifhis house is bugged, I suppose it would've made a good test of his loyalty.


Hmmm, I hope Walt didn't put Jesse's lucky cigarette back in the wrong way after he was finished inpsecting it.

 

[blame space]

EVERYONE knows EVERYTHING

 

[Exclamation-One]

WAIT! something doesn't make sense.

Mike calls Gus...

Mike:
I did some digging around.

Gus:
And?

Mike:
Neither the DEA nor the APD considers you a Person of Interest. Schrader's looking into you totally on his lonesome. A voice in the wilderness.

Gus:
Does he have resources?

Mike:
Just him, his credit card and his chauffeur Walter. From what I hear he'd be committing career suicide if he were to mention you to Merkert again.

Gus:
So, no warrant for the tracking device on my car.

Mike:
No. Guy's gone totally maverick. He's Miss Daisy with binoculars. We watch our backs, make sure we don't throw him any bones, he'll never make a case.

Gus:
What about Chile?

Mike:
If I can't find any trace of you before '89, I seriously doubt Schrader can.

Is it possible for Mike to dig up all this info without arousing any kind of suspicion?

 

[Sye d'Burns]

WAIT! something doesn't make sense.

Mike calls Gus...



Is it possible for Mike to dig up all this info without arousing any kind of suspicion?

Probably. We're talking about Mike here.

Funny thing to me - I thought Hank was fired right before he went to the store in "one minute' so my question would be, "what career?"

 

[big ander]

WAIT! something doesn't make sense.

Mike calls Gus...



Is it possible for Mike to dig up all this info without arousing any kind of suspicion?

He's a former officer whose job it is to have connections, so it's not exactly far-fetched.

 

[Exclamation-One]

I understand Mike has connections in his police department, but it begs the question why Mike would be interested in the first place.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Amazing episode. So Gus is gay I'm guessing

edit: where can I see the preview?

 

[Speevy]

Next week: A flashback training montage, where Hector teaches Gus the ancient Mexican art of the box cutter.

 

[Discotheque]

Holy shit, it's Manny from Scarface

best episode of the season fo sho. Don't see much topping this until the finale comes.

 

[Darklord]

That flashback bit with Gus was fantastic. Damn, what a great scene.

Amazing episode. So Gus is gay I'm guessing

Wait, what? Where did you figure that?

 

[Discotheque]

if you have a good friend/protege then you must be gay. Walt's coming out episode is next week.

But seriously he may very well be gay but how can you come to the conclusion after watching this episode? there was not even one hint of it.

 

[markot]

Well, he paid for that guys college and everything, they were obviously very close.

I kinda got that vibe too >.< I dunno though.

 

[numble]

Gus's brother-in-law is a Federali.

 

[Darklord]

Well, he paid for that guys college and everything, they were obviously very close.

I kinda got that vibe too >.< I dunno though.

When someone says "as close as a brother" that kind of removes any sexual feeling towards each other in my opinion. You wouldn't say to your girlfriend that she's as close as your sister.

 

[markot]

Well, theyre not gonna say they are gay in front of the cartel dudes >.<

 

[Speevy]

You just know that either Hank or Gus is gonna kill the other one.