Trent Strong
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Discotheque said:
Yeah, it was probably Walt, but I don't think we're 100% sure.
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Yeah, it was probably Walt, but I don't think we're 100% sure.
Discotheque
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I think you guys are overlooking something big here.
Remember when Walt said something like "That's good, Jesse" to Walt. Jr as he was falling asleep? Walter junior tracked Jesse down in a fit of jealousy and poisoned Brock to get back at him.
all while cruising to some hot new tunes.
Remember when Walt said something like "That's good, Jesse" to Walt. Jr as he was falling asleep? Walter junior tracked Jesse down in a fit of jealousy and poisoned Brock to get back at him.
all while cruising to some hot new tunes.
Trent Strong
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Yoboman said:
Oh shit, you're right. It was Walt.
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Discotheque said:
Also, Walt blew up a
Joker was also responsible for the creation of Two-Face. Gus walking out of the room (complete with blood/gore covering one half of his suit) is clearly an homage to that.
He taped them? I was under the impression they were just live feeds, it would make sense for someone as meticulous as Gus to do that though.Yoboman said:
Also, yeah 2 face Gus shot kinda detracted. At first I was astounded when he walked out trying to figure out how that could be possible, then the money shot and I was just confused about what they were doing. And then yeah, all over red rover.
Discotheque
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that's a pretty stupid homage to be honest. I love the batman movies but keep that comic book silliness out of breaking bad, gus' final shot was a poor end for such an awesome character.
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I'm wonder when the cartel tape will turn up. Gilligan probably had a plan initially with Jesse using the camcorder in the first episode, but at this point, Walt and Jesse would have to be COMPLETE AND UTTER MORONS not to have destroyed that evidence long, long ago.Yoboman said:
So, I think the cartel taping the meth cook was a way to bring back this plot element in a plausible way.
Gus walking out of that room was pretty awful. I didn't have any real problems with anything else, but that was bad.
And yeah, it's pretty clear it was Walt that poisoned the kid, they make it pretty clear. As soon as Jesse says it wasn't Ricin it was pretty clear, but it's not like they were trying to hide it.
And yeah, it's pretty clear it was Walt that poisoned the kid, they make it pretty clear. As soon as Jesse says it wasn't Ricin it was pretty clear, but it's not like they were trying to hide it.
Grinchy said:
Lol that would work too.
The reason why I think a scene like that would be better is that Esposito has an amazing way with his movement and the way he walks.
I mean if we take a look at the first episode of the season, where he enters the lab and is this menacing figure. That whole sequence up until he cuts Victors throat was about his movement. It was great and very powerful.
If they had continued the scene where Gus walks to the nursing home, Gus' movement could have portrayed so much. His lust for revenge, his anger at Tio for being a rat, the culmination of Gus' relationship with the Cartel and Tio could have been illustrated beautifully with Gus' walk into Tio's room.
And when that is pitted with a great song like they did, I think that would have made a bigger impact and would have fit well within the confines of the show. Gus walking out of Tio's room with half his face blown off, doesn't fit the show in my opinion.
water_wendi
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Episode was so-so. It probably would have been a lot better if things werent telegraphed so heavily last episode. Then again, you had people in denial over Walt almost murdering children.
Oh and Zombie Gus was laughably dumb. Even Gus' move to even visit Tio was supremely out of character and dumb.
Oh and Zombie Gus was laughably dumb. Even Gus' move to even visit Tio was supremely out of character and dumb.
SCULLIBUNDO
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You know, I completely agree that this episode revealed Walt's final step over the line into the life of a sociopath. But goddamn can Amirox act like an insufferable twat about it. Acting like a condescending asshole to all those that don't share the same opinion is really petty. Grow up, man.
water_wendi said:
In the Inside Breaking Bad for this episode, Esposito remarked that given Gus' history with Tio, and the fact that he was going to the DEA (a move that is considered the lowest of the low amongst organised criminals) blinded him. His anger prevented him from thinking clearly.
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Oh wow. Here is the very first shot of Season 4:
Gale's Apartment
Gale's Apartment
BenjaminBirdie
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Farooq said:
SO MUCH THIS.
Even knowing what was going to happen thanks spoilers and shit.
SO powerful.
Stunning television.
Americanmushroom
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Trent Strong said:
Dude, in S04e11 or 12 he actually looks at the plant (scene where he is spinning the gun). That was no coincidence at all
blame space
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how is cranston not gone fucking insane yet
I have to laugh at the people who criticize the finale. Some people are just way too hard to please.
Regarding Brock,
This show has always been about the 'awakening' of Walt. He says it in one of the very first episodes. We also know that Walt is incredibly resourceful, especially when it comes to saving his own ass. Walt knew that he would be finished if Jessie sided with Gus. Poisoning Brock was a perfect way to turn Jessie against Gus. Its an extreme measure but not out-of-character at all. The fact that Gus is already a child-killer made it much easier for Walt to sell his story.
Regarding Gus death scene,
Seriously awesome. Manages to tie up both the Gus and Hector story arc in one fell-swoop. The two face shot was just gravy.
Awesome finale, awesome show.
Regarding Brock,
This show has always been about the 'awakening' of Walt. He says it in one of the very first episodes. We also know that Walt is incredibly resourceful, especially when it comes to saving his own ass. Walt knew that he would be finished if Jessie sided with Gus. Poisoning Brock was a perfect way to turn Jessie against Gus. Its an extreme measure but not out-of-character at all. The fact that Gus is already a child-killer made it much easier for Walt to sell his story.
Regarding Gus death scene,
Seriously awesome. Manages to tie up both the Gus and Hector story arc in one fell-swoop. The two face shot was just gravy.
Awesome finale, awesome show.
Ugh. You guys are so BORING endlessly bickering about wether or not Walt is a "good guy" or "bad guy".
How about that fucking finale? I mean holy shit, that scene with Tio ringing his bell over and over just before Gus realizes something is off.....wow. Great scene. And then it was kinda ruined by the "terminator gus" moment right after. I thought Tio's face turning from fear to rage/bravery was incredible and Gus screaming as he jumped up was an awesome and powerful shot with the hard-cut to the hallway outside. That was masterful. Then seeing Gus walk out, I immediately thought "Oh my god..he's not human! Did he put Tyrus between him and the explosion or something?" and then we get the "two-face" shot and it all feels kind of looney tunes. I wonder who's decision it was to have him walk out like that?
And was Saul at his very best this episode or what? I mean the tension at the moment he comes in to rescue Jesse was unrelenting. Saul was like a knight in shining armor because up until then, I couldn't imagine Jesse getting out of there. I thought maybe the whole episode would see him trapped in there. So when Saul comes in and starts talking his special brand of shit he sounds like a damn poet. Scenes like that are why people love that character.
Who was it here on GAF that looked up the plant last week? I'm impressed. I thought that was some over-the-top internet detective shit like usual, but whoever called it here had it right on the nose. Way to go, dude. I'm disappointed in Walt for that, but whatever.
I'm left wondering where the final season will take us. I'm thinking the investigation of the laundromat explosion will find the DEA/FBI/whoever spotting the cameras down there and wondering where the feed goes. Hank will say "told ya" and they will shut down Los Pollos and investigate it, finding Gus' laptop. Since we never really got any specifics about what was on there, I'd say they are free to write in whatever they want for that. Video of Jesse and Walt cooking? Maybe. Not sure.
Also, I think Mike is mostly done. Maybe he'll make another appearance, but I don't expect to see anything big from his character. There's just no reason for it. I don't think he'll give a shit about Gus dying either. He's a business partner, not Gus' friend.
Anyway, great finale. Can't wait for next season. I hope it doesn't end with Walt and Jesse both dying or rotting in prison.
How about that fucking finale? I mean holy shit, that scene with Tio ringing his bell over and over just before Gus realizes something is off.....wow. Great scene. And then it was kinda ruined by the "terminator gus" moment right after. I thought Tio's face turning from fear to rage/bravery was incredible and Gus screaming as he jumped up was an awesome and powerful shot with the hard-cut to the hallway outside. That was masterful. Then seeing Gus walk out, I immediately thought "Oh my god..he's not human! Did he put Tyrus between him and the explosion or something?" and then we get the "two-face" shot and it all feels kind of looney tunes. I wonder who's decision it was to have him walk out like that?
And was Saul at his very best this episode or what? I mean the tension at the moment he comes in to rescue Jesse was unrelenting. Saul was like a knight in shining armor because up until then, I couldn't imagine Jesse getting out of there. I thought maybe the whole episode would see him trapped in there. So when Saul comes in and starts talking his special brand of shit he sounds like a damn poet. Scenes like that are why people love that character.
Who was it here on GAF that looked up the plant last week? I'm impressed. I thought that was some over-the-top internet detective shit like usual, but whoever called it here had it right on the nose. Way to go, dude. I'm disappointed in Walt for that, but whatever.
I'm left wondering where the final season will take us. I'm thinking the investigation of the laundromat explosion will find the DEA/FBI/whoever spotting the cameras down there and wondering where the feed goes. Hank will say "told ya" and they will shut down Los Pollos and investigate it, finding Gus' laptop. Since we never really got any specifics about what was on there, I'd say they are free to write in whatever they want for that. Video of Jesse and Walt cooking? Maybe. Not sure.
Also, I think Mike is mostly done. Maybe he'll make another appearance, but I don't expect to see anything big from his character. There's just no reason for it. I don't think he'll give a shit about Gus dying either. He's a business partner, not Gus' friend.
Anyway, great finale. Can't wait for next season. I hope it doesn't end with Walt and Jesse both dying or rotting in prison.
Foliorum Viridum
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Wow.
So Walt used his neighbour as a human shield and risked killing God knows how many people with that bomb, not to mention poisoning an innocent child to further his agenda. He went from being an evil person to an utter MONSTER in this episode. If anyone still thinks he's remotely a good person you are simply retarded.
Great ep. I just wish Walt didn't come out on top. It's going to painful waiting for him to get his comeuppance, and I really hope he gets it.
Gus becoming two face all of a sudden was a huge relief, as I admit they fooled me and thought he somehow survived. At least they had the balls to kill him - something I doubted a few weeks back.
So Walt used his neighbour as a human shield and risked killing God knows how many people with that bomb, not to mention poisoning an innocent child to further his agenda. He went from being an evil person to an utter MONSTER in this episode. If anyone still thinks he's remotely a good person you are simply retarded.
Great ep. I just wish Walt didn't come out on top. It's going to painful waiting for him to get his comeuppance, and I really hope he gets it.
Gus becoming two face all of a sudden was a huge relief, as I admit they fooled me and thought he somehow survived. At least they had the balls to kill him - something I doubted a few weeks back.
blahblah...blah
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Exclamation-One said:Oh wow. Here is the very first shot of Season 4:
Gale's Apartment
Hate to say it, but I think this is a coincidence. They didn't decide they were going to kill Gus until they wrote episode 3, and didn't know how they were going to do it until they were prepping episode 8 (well after episode 1 had been shot).
Still, an awesome coincidence.
Spent the night digesting that... Loved 99% of it.. top rate shit. But I just can NOT believe they went with the terminator bit. I just do not see how that much damage could be done and he just walks out.
But outside of that they sure left next season WIDE open. I hope Mike is a big part of it.
But outside of that they sure left next season WIDE open. I hope Mike is a big part of it.
Foliorum Viridum
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Gus walking out of the room is no more unbelievable than a lot of stuff in the show.
Breaking Bad has never been shy of compromising verisimilitude for a cool shot/sequence.
Breaking Bad has never been shy of compromising verisimilitude for a cool shot/sequence.
Completely agree with Grinchy and Farooq's edit of Gus's death scene. What happened in Gus's demise (suicide bombing) was brillant. How they had him walk out only to collapse in the hallway was less so.Grinchy said:
Nonetheless, I loved this episode. They could end the series here, and I would be content.
BamYouHaveAids
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Yeah..there is no chance that was a coincidence. They could have just shot the frame after they finished filming.blahblah...blah said:
I still don't like Gus death. They could have easily done the same thing except have him take shrapnel to the abdomen.
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But yeah, with that timeline it's a bit of a stretch.blahblah...blah said:
However, wouldn't have been too hard to do a simple pickup shot - similar lighting conditions, et al. Either way, accident or no accident, it's fucking awesome. This show is "tight ti-tighttight YEAH!"
In fact, are there any lingering, dangling plots that were introduced and never followed through on? Aside from Hank sniffing out Heisenberg, which is more or less ongoing than unresolved, I can't think of any.
Foliorum Viridum
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The more I let this episode digest, the more I realise it truly makes Walt one of the most evil characters in modern TV.
Even thought I thought the finale was slightly disappointing due to the Brock question not being satisfactorily explained, three cheers to Vince Gilligan and his Breaking Bad team for another remarkable season of dramatic television. A shame to see Gus Fring finally falling, what an incredible villain he has been - one of television's greatest ever IMO. Neatly ironic, though, that he died after taking on some of Walt's hubris, while Walt's victory came by using people in the same way Gus does.
Here's my review. Thanks to every GAFer who has been reading them, I appreciate the support and hope you've enjoyed them!
EDIT: Also, brilliant spot by blahblah...blah for the opening shot of S4. I'm going to put my fingers in my ears and believe it was a brilliant piece of dramatic foreshadowing...
Here's my review. Thanks to every GAFer who has been reading them, I appreciate the support and hope you've enjoyed them!
EDIT: Also, brilliant spot by blahblah...blah for the opening shot of S4. I'm going to put my fingers in my ears and believe it was a brilliant piece of dramatic foreshadowing...
Except he almost certainly just used the same bomb that was originally on Gus's car.Puddles said:
He was making it to kill Gus, not to spare innocents. He was just lucky that it didn't cause more damage, and we know he's not above putting civilians like his next-door neighbor in harm's way.
One more point: although Tio agreed to the plan, it's fairly twisted that Walt's scheme included an old man using a suicide bomb.
Fantastic finale, and maybe the best season yet.
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Jesse finding out that Walt was involved in Jane's death is going to be huge next season. There is 0% chance that the events of these last episodes and Jane's death are not exposed to Jesse at some point next season...meaning we're in for a total storm of madness.Exclamation-One said:
I haven't decided if the show is going to end with:
A) Walt dying of cancer
B) Jesse killing Walt
C) Walt and Jesse both dying in some kind of double KO scenario
D) They all live happily ever after
E) Walt kills Jesse as the last loose end to his entire other life
...these are the only scenarios that makes sense to me at the moment without knowing how next season is supposed to play out.
Walt found Gus's blind spot.epmode said:
Gus is always cold, deliberate and tactical... Except when it comes to dealing with the people who murdered his "brother." The fact that Gus enjoyed torturing Tio with news of the cartel members' deaths gave Walt the in he needed.
It seemed entirely plausible to me based on the relationship to Tio that the writers had been building up over the course of the season.
Of course, it was also stupid for Gus to tell Tio that he killed all of his friends, but he (rightly) believed that Tio would never snitch to the DEA. It was really a quite beautifully-executed plan by Walt.
The Hermit
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Damn, Gaf predicted nearly the entire episode...
I can't imagine how would be my reaction if I hadn't seen the pic and read even the plant discussion... The moment people posted the gun spinning gif and said that could be a non lethal toxic plant, the probability of Walt being the culprit was really high.
Anyway, Walter is way worse than Gus. Also his "I won" to Skyler may have destroyed whatever Walter White she could see in him, now only Heisenberg is left. And poor Jesse, since Jane's death he is being played like a toy... I can't wait to see him kill the "hero".
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and the music before the confrontation of Gus and Salamanca - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJWpFv-I96E
Awesome!
I can't imagine how would be my reaction if I hadn't seen the pic and read even the plant discussion... The moment people posted the gun spinning gif and said that could be a non lethal toxic plant, the probability of Walt being the culprit was really high.
Anyway, Walter is way worse than Gus. Also his "I won" to Skyler may have destroyed whatever Walter White she could see in him, now only Heisenberg is left. And poor Jesse, since Jane's death he is being played like a toy... I can't wait to see him kill the "hero".
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Exclamation-One said:Oh wow. Here is the very first shot of Season 4:Gale's Apartment
and the music before the confrontation of Gus and Salamanca - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJWpFv-I96E
Awesome!
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