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Breaking Bad - Season 4 - Sundays on AMC

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RevDM

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Expendable. said:
Yeah, does Walt need to make meth anymore? It seems like even though giving most of his current money to the guy that owed the IRS, they can have a fine life owning the car wash. I'm sure some more crazy shit will happen though.

It's going to be his season this time. He essentially owns all of North America at this point.
 

Fatalah

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BoboBrazil said:
Kind of regret reading this thread before watching the finale. It spoiled the face blown off and plant thing. If I would have went in cold on the plant thing I would have been shocked at that ending.

I only read this thread after a finale. That's it. I avoid it during the season, leading up to a new season. Leading up to a finale... you're just asking to be spoiled.
 

bud

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s5: hank vs. walt & jesse; jesse finds out about walt poisoning brock and letting jane die; walt deals with ted fucking skyler again.
 

The Hermit

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RevDM said:
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His ability to go in and out of character is one of the best I've seen. He goes from being the hardass with a thirst for blood to the friendly neighbor who thinks he left his stove on in a wink of an eye.

Before watching BB I heard people praising Cranston and all I could think was "the father from Macolm... really?"

The former image I had from him is long gone. Incredible.
 
Expendable. said:
So, you think Hank will keep investigating after Gus' death? After destroying the lab, etc. what does Walt have left that could tie him to it?
The death of Gus and destruction of the laundry has got to make Hank feel like he was definitely on the right track. The DEA should finally see that too. Gus's laptop may have all kinds of stuff that ties him to Walt. Then again he is too smart for that.
 
Expendable. said:
So, you think Hank will keep investigating after Gus' death? After destroying the lab, etc. what does Walt have left that could tie him to it?
Walt's ego will see him saying something as cocky as it is stupid to Hank causing him to go looking again.
 
Expendable. said:
So, you think Hank will keep investigating after Gus' death? After destroying the lab, etc. what does Walt have left that could tie him to it?
Would Hank really believe that one of the goons in the lab is Heisenberg and accept that?
 

Keylime

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Expendable. said:
Isn't Ted dead?
Look...Skyler is in a highly compromised emotional state. We shouldn't question her actions...or who she chooses to sleep with. Dead or alive.
 

RevDM

Banned
RubxQub said:
Look...Skyler is in a highly compromised emotional state. We shouldn't question her actions...or who she chooses to sleep with. Dead or alive.

I don't think we really have any reason to believe he is dead. The last scene had his fingers twitching.

It would also be unlike this show to have him die in that way. Every death in this show has been excruciatingly obvious that a death occurred.
 

bud

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i wonder if skyler will return to her normal weight or if she'll get curvier.

i hope it's the latter cuz she so fine.
 

Sloane

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Expendable. said:
So, you think Hank will keep investigating after Gus' death? After destroying the lab, etc. what does Walt have left that could tie him to it?
I bet he'll get the laptop, possibly the stuff from the cameras.
 
Gilligan keeps talking about how Walt will perpetually go down the "Scarface" path. Do you think it will finally reach a climax of Walt having to kill Hank and/or Jesse? I can't imagine a bigger transformation from his original character, if that is what Gilligan is going for.
 

zychi

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BamYouHaveAids said:
I get this, but as far as Gus knows Tio had just confessed to the DEA. Seems like something that would make him more cautious and not mindlessly reckless.
This makes me KNOW, that Gus doesn't have anyone on the inside. If he did, he would've gotten the info straight from the crooked cop.
 

Sloane

Banned
Expendable. said:
Gilligan keeps talking about how Walt will perpetually go down the "Scarface" path. Do you think it will finally reach a climax of Walt having to kill Hank and/or Jesse? I can't imagine a bigger transformation from his original character, if that is what Gilligan is going for.
I doubt he'd ever kill Jesse, he's like a son to him. Hank... I don't see it but who knows. I could imagine Hank killing Walt though.
 

Salsa

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welp.. i spent the whole night + a rewatch today thinking if i liked the ep in general, and im still not sure. There's parts i did and parts i didnt.

Im sure im gonna echo a lot of sentiments here (still havent read through the thread) but lets see:

the whole ep was a bit too goofy. From the girl asking for money and complaining about the glass, to the old lady saying "hi" when walt was hiding, to Gus two-face moment.. it had a very different tone than the rest of the eps, wich at first felt really out of place.

I think gus' death is a gray area for me. I hated it at first, but now i kinda like how pulpy it is. This series jumps back and forth between somethng like that, and the issue here is that this season was pretty down to earth when it came to this stuff (no twins, no airplane, etc) so it was surprising. Still not completely sure what to make of it, but i wanted to see a face-to-face Heisenberg-like moment.

Besides the actual sequence, i think his death was a bit disappointing. The fact that it didnt happen by Walt's hand directly. It was nice to find some closure with Tio and i was sure he'd have something to do with it since he was so prominently featured (going as back as Bryan Cranston's costume on the wrap party).

That's the other thing: the ending of the season "disappointed me" in the sense that it is exactly what i called it would be, the way Walt is the one that poisons Brock and how the big "relevation" they talked about was realizing how far Walt is willing to go in order to save his life. I honestly felt like this was so obvious that they were throwing us off path to surprise us in the end, but nope. Its time to get a bit detached from Walt in order to accept his fate in the final season, he truly broke bad now. I knew it was gonna be a Walt vs Jesse conflict, its just the way things gotta end.
 

Amir0x

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Expendable. said:
Gilligan keeps talking about how Walt will perpetually go down the "Scarface" path. Do you think it will finally reach a climax of Walt having to kill Hank and/or Jesse? I can't imagine a bigger transformation from his original character, if that is what Gilligan is going for.

i think he is certainly going to cause Hank or Jesse even more harm before the end, but likely not death. I think it is Hank or Jesse that will ultimately cause the downfall of Walt.
 

Sanjuro

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Amir0x said:
i think he is certainly going to cause Hank or Jesse even more harm before the end, but likely not death. I think it is Hank or Jesse that will ultimately cause the downfall of Walt.
Jesse has already caused the majority of Walt's downfall.
 

Amir0x

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Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
Jesse has already caused the majority of Walt's downfall.

Walt has caused the majority of Walt's downfall.

Jesse is going to be the one who pulls the final trigger in the end, though, I think.
 

Keylime

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So what say you people.

At the end of the series...when all is said and done, who's dead?

I've got Walt dead in the finale by Jesse's hand. Jesse goes on to live a happy life.
 

Lonestar

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SalsaShark said:
welp.. i spent the whole night + a rewatch today thinking if i liked the ep in general, and im still not sure. There's parts i did and parts i didnt.

Im sure im gonna echo a lot of sentiments here (still havent read through the thread) but lets see:

the whole ep was a bit too goofy. From the girl asking for money and complaining about the glass, to the old lady saying "hi" when walt was hiding, to Gus two-face moment.. it had a very different tone than the rest of the eps, wich at first felt really out of place.

I think gus' death is a gray area for me. I hated it at first, but now i kinda like how pulpy it is. This series jumps back and forth between somethng like that, and the issue here is that this season was pretty down to earth when it came to this stuff (no twins, no airplane, etc) so it was surprising. Still not completely sure what to make of it, but i wanted to see a face-to-face Heisenberg-like moment.

Besides the actual sequence, i think his death was a bit disappointing. The fact that it didnt happen by Walt's hand directly. It was nice to find some closure with Tio and i was sure he'd have something to do with it since he was so prominently featured (going as back as Bryan Cranston's costume on the wrap party).

That's the other thing: the ending of the season "disappointed me" in the sense that it is exactly what i called it would be, the way Walt is the one that poisons Brock and how the big "relevation" they talked about was realizing how far Walt is willing to go in order to save his life. I honestly felt like this was so obvious that they were throwing us off path to surprise us in the end, but nope. Its time to get a bit detached from Walt in order to accept his fate in the final season. I knew it was gonna be a Walt vs Jesse conflict, its just the way things gotta end.

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Expendable. said:
So, you think Hank will keep investigating after Gus' death? After destroying the lab, etc. what does Walt have left that could tie him to it?

Well, they certainly will look at who got blown up and want to know why and who planted the bomb and why. And since it all happened right under their noses, I think they'll want to investigate hard. Plus, Hank will be on the mend physically. As for ties to Walt, I'm not sure. But they've consistently written Hank as quite the smart cookie.
 
RubxQub said:
So what say you people.

At the end of the series...when all is said and done, who's dead?

I've got Walt dead in the finale by Jesse's hand. Jesse goes on to live a happy life.

I've always thought that Jesse will be the only one who walks away relatively happy while everyone else will be dead, crippled or in prison.
 

Lonestar

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They've got an obvious Arson job to investigate, along with 2 burned corpses. All happening after Gus's Death.
 

kehs

Banned
So Hank has had Heisenberg "officially" slip through his fingers twice, now.

He's probably really pissed at the moment.

I'm guessing Hank breaks bad and kills Walt in the series finale.
 
Stet said:
The only person that actually bought the fugue state was Walt Jr.
Then I find it hard to believe more people didn't just call bullshit. When I heard him describe it as a 'non recurring blah blah' I kind of laughed. Walt has explained himself out of so much BS in this show lol

Amir0x said:
Walt has caused the majority of Walt's downfall.

Jesse is going to be the one who pulls the final trigger in the end, though, I think.
True. Walt never seems to except his half of the responsibility, either of things he and Jesse do together or things he demands Jesse to do.
 

Sanjuro

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Amir0x said:
Walt has caused the majority of Walt's downfall.

Jesse is going to be the one who pulls the final trigger in the end, though, I think.
I still don't see the show going down that route. We could go back and forth all day about who caused what. They both come as a team. Some people are highlighting the fact that Walt is manipulating Jessie, but I think they are missing the point. There is a dark line of comradery between the two.
 

Arozay

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Copernicus said:
I'm guessing Hank breaks bad and kills Walt in the series finale.
He's more likely to let him go if he isn't going to arrest him.

Either way I'm waiting to see how Mike comes back after all that has happened.
 
Lonestar said:
They've got an obvious Arson job to investigate, along with 2 burned corpses. All happening after Gus's Death.

If they see intel that the Cartel vips were wiped out in mexico. Then Gus get's blown up with an member of the same cartel.

Then the superlab, also associated with Gus, gets burned to a crisp.


Wouldn't the DEA and the FBI go with drug war with the cartel?

Walt has removed himself from the equation. Its all Gus vs. Cartel.
 

kehs

Banned
Jason's Ultimatum said:
what is this i dont even

Like, they finally catch him, and Walt, being the dick that he is, holds it over his head how he outsmarted him the whole time.

Then you see Hank snap, and the frustration builds on whether to take him in or shoot him right there.

The whole time his LT. Pinkman is trying to calm him down, only fall on deaf ears.

(Kinda like the end of Seven with Pitt/Freeman)
 

Salsa

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found my previous post/prediction in this thread:

SalsaShark said:
Walt did it

that's the reveal, the fact that Walt's an asshole

we get less attached to the character so we can more easily take to his death on the final season, he's just a dude who went mad, you could say he.. broke bad.


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Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
I still don't see the show going down that route. We could go back and forth all day about who caused what. They both come as a team. Some people are highlighting the fact that Walt is manipulating Jessie, but I think they are missing the point. There is a dark line of comradery between the two.
Once Jesse figures out that Walt did indeed poison Brock - and he will - it's game over for Walt.

Jesse either works with the DEA to take down Walt or Walt kills Jesse before he does it.
 

bud

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Jason's Ultimatum said:
You kinda gotta see the big picture: who was the bigger bad guy? Walt or Gus?

you're saying there's a possibility of walt being a bigger bad guy than one of the biggest meth distributors in the country?

... really?
 
I worked on a film with Mark Margolis (Tio). He is an awesome dude, doesn't give a fuck about anything and tons of stories about his many years in Hollywood. Cranston is a great actor, cause I almost thought it was him from those images.
 
You guys keep saying that Jesse is going to find out about Walt letting Jane die... How exactly do you imagine that will happen? I can't see any circumstance where Walt would confess to that. I don't see the show revealing that to Jesse, to be honest.

Also, Jesse isn't an innocent person in all of this. I think you all are trying to shoehorn things into this "Walt is bad; Jesse and Hank are good" dichotomy that doesn't really work.
 

Echoplx

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Harry Dresden said:
If they see intel that the Cartel vips were wiped out in mexico. Then Gus get's blown up with an member of the same cartel.

Then the superlab, also associated with Gus, gets burned to a crisp.


Wouldn't the DEA and the FBI go with drug war with the cartel?

Walt has removed himself from the equation. Its all Gus vs. Cartel.

But if they do go on to assume it's just Gus/Cartel and continue investigating wouldn't they eventually find footage of Walt in the lab?
 

Stet

Banned
Star Power said:
You guys keep saying that Jesse is going to find out about Walt letting Jane die... How exactly do you imagine that will happen? I can't see any circumstance where Walt would confess to that. I don't see the show revealing that to Jesse, to be honest.
Fly Part II
 

Sanjuro

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BertramCooper said:
Once Jesse figures out that Walt did indeed poison Brock - and he will - it's game over for Walt.

Jesse either works with the DEA to take down Walt or Walt kills Jesse before he does it.
I don't see that being an issue down the road. The ending of the episode was enough closure for both sides for events of the last few episodes. I can certainly see Walt/Jessie getting into another disagreement, but I don't see the relevancy of Brock going forward.
 

Lonestar

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Star Power said:
You guys keep saying that Jesse is going to find out about Walt letting Jane die... How exactly do you imagine that will happen? I can't see any circumstance where Walt would confess to that. I don't see the show revealing that to Jesse, to be honest.

Also, Jesse isn't an innocent person in all of this. I think you all are trying to shoehorn things into this "Walt is bad; Jesse and Hank are good" dichotomy that doesn't really work.

For a second, last night, I thought that maybe Mike would let Jesse onto how Jane died, but then I remembered that he only came in to clean up what he was told to be, an accidental death.

Really not sure how Jesse will ever find out about Jane.
 
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