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[Salsa]

wow just read the whole thing about the spoiler pic, hahah you guys suck. I stayed clear out of this thread after the last ep. No sneak peak, didnt even find out there was a spoiler pic, etc.

I cant even begin to understand how you guys get a kick out of spoiling yourself shit like that. Ridiculous.

 

[Gary Whitta]

I would love to see a "Rise of Fring" backstory that showed who Gus was in Chile, how he rose up the drug food chain etc. Not sure how that would move the story forward though, unless it introduced characters in those flashbacks who now would be coming to the US to get vengeance for Gus.

 

[BertramCooper]

I don't see that being an issue down the road. The ending of the episode was enough closure for both sides for events of the last few episodes. I can certainly see Walt/Jessie getting into another disagreement, but I don't see the relevancy of Brock going forward.

Presumably, Jesse now believes it was a coincidence that Brock got sick, and that he just pulled them off a plant and ate them.

But when Brock wakes up, they're going to ask him about the berries. And when Brock tells them that he didn't just come across them in the yard, Jesse is going to get suspicious again.

There's also the issue of the disappearing ricin cigarette, which no doubt will linger in the back of Jesse's mind.

It's not just going to go away.

 

[Sanjuro]

wow just read the whole thing about the spoiler pic, hahah you guys suck. I stayed clear out of this thread after the last ep. No sneak peak, didnt even find out there was a spoiler pic, etc.

I cant even begin to understand how you guys get a kick out of spoiling yourself shit like that. Ridiculous.

Who cares? It was the domino rally effect. I didn't care to see it, but saw it. There were actually people in here who wanted to actively see it. I shared.

 

[Sanjuro]

Presumably, Jesse now believes it was a coincidence that Brock got sick, and that he just pulled them off a plant and ate them.

But when Brock wakes up, they're going to ask him about the berries. And when Brock tells them that he didn't just come across them in the yard, Jesse is going to get suspicious again.

There's also the issue of the disappearing ricin cigarette, which no doubt will linger in the back of Jesse's mind.

It's not just going to go away.

I think it will go away. I don't believe Walt would actively expose himself to Brock. Everyone in that section of the story is in all likelihood just going to go on with their lives. There is no real reason to continue that story plot. The endgame was the revelation at the close to allow the audience to root for Walt and then take a step back and think about what kind of person he has become for the span of the show's duration.

 

[Keylime]

You guys keep saying that Jesse is going to find out about Walt letting Jane die... How exactly do you imagine that will happen? I can't see any circumstance where Walt would confess to that. I don't see the show revealing that to Jesse, to be honest.

Also, Jesse isn't an innocent person in all of this. I think you all are trying to shoehorn things into this "Walt is bad; Jesse and Hank are good" dichotomy that doesn't really work.

I'm pretty much infallible at this point for catching the "Walt did it" thread 2 episodes ago.

Write it down: Jesse will find out Walt killed Jane next season!

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Anyone interested in Tio's situation should check out the Diving Bell and the Butterfly, which is what I'm assuming was the inspiration behind him. It's a book and a movie, and both are great. It's an autobiography told by a guy who had a stroke and couldn't do anything but blink, so he blinks his entire story to his nurse who records it just like they did with Tio and his letter board. It's a great story if you're into sad tales of losing everything and just being a quadriplegic observer for the rest of your life.

 

[Salsa]

I would love to see a "Rise of Fring" backstory that showed who Gus was in Chile, how he rose up the drug food chain etc. Not sure how that would move the story forward though, unless it introduced characters in those flashbacks who now would be coming to the US to get vengeance for Gus.

im a bit bummed at how we never really found out anything about his past besides how he started with the drug business. It was beggining to be pretty clear that we would learn something else about him.

At a certain point i began to think he might not be from Chile at all, and that was just another identity to keep jumping through hoops in order to remain mysterious and not get himself caught. Would certainly explain the crappy spanish, lol.

 

[Gary Whitta]

I'm pretty much infallible at this point for catching the "Walt did it" thread 2 episodes ago.

Write it down: Jesse will find out Walt killed Jane next season!

The only way that can happen is if Walt confesses. There's no other evidence.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

They should play this during the episode
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBjzAdpZzf0

YES!!

Literally open with the song and this kind of imagery. Walt on top of the world, down in Miami, throwing bills and blue meth on a grateful populace. Whole episode takes place in the VIP Room of a strip club.

 

[kehs]

I'm not sure why you guys this think they're gonna drop the Brock and Ugs story line. It'll probably be the lead in to the season.

 

[mysterion86]

Great season finale.The wait for the next season is going to be excruciating.

 

[vitacola]

Someone has YouTube links to all the music of this episode? So damn good ...

I would love to buy a Breaking Bad complete package including the soundtrack of the show. It would be pure sex.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

Is it safe to assume that the Ted storyline is dead? I hated that part of the show besides his death.

How would we know?

 

[bud]

Great season finale.The wait for the next season is going to be excruciating.

i just hope it won't take over a year like it did last time.

 

[triplestation]

Also, Walt blew up a hospital nursing home. The plan that led up to this was preposterously complicated. Also, the device used in the bombing required multiple clicks to detonate.

Joker was also responsible for the creation of Two-Face. Gus walking out of the room (complete with blood/gore covering one half of his suit) is clearly an homage to that.

I also thought there was a sort of nod at Nolan. As if he's trying to send him a message. ''This is how it's done, Nolan''.

And quite goddamned frankly, Vince Gilligan's vision>Nolan. .___.

And Walt's/Heisenberg's hysteria>>>>>>Ledgers Joker

 

[BertramCooper]

I think it will go away. I don't believe Walt would actively expose himself to Brock. Everyone in that section of the story is in all likelihood just going to go on with their lives. There is no real reason to continue that story plot. The endgame was the revelation at the close to allow the audience to root for Walt and then take a step back and think about what kind of person he has become for the span of the show's duration.

It can't go away without Gilligan looking totally sloppy. There are far too many loose ends for it to just get conveniently wrapped up. And though Brock can't directly implicate Walt, Jesse will no doubt go after Saul, who will eventually squeal.

In my view, it's clearly going to be the final straw that will break Walt and Jesse's relationship.

 

[cubicle47b]

Cry some more. I'm loving every moment of people trying to rationalize this monster's actions and I'll keep on loving it. Show some self-restraint and skip the posts you don't want to read or put me on ignore.

Good advice. Ignore it is. (I don't find Walt sympathetic and only lurk in this thread, but I think you're annoying on a level rarely seen outside of political threads).

 

[Sanjuro]

I'm not sure why you guys this think they're gonna drop the Brock and Ugs story line. It'll probably be the lead in to the season.

Yo, Mr. White! You know I've been thinking...what happened to the ricin and who poisoned Brock?

I'm sorry, but I did Jessie.

NO! R U SERIOUS BITCH?!

lol ya Jessie.

zomg i can't believe u! wtf yo!?

brb, A-Team.

= Compelling season five!

 

[Keylime]

The only way that can happen is if Walt confesses. There's no other evidence.

He's GOT to find out. Walt in a moment of "I'm Heisenburg mother fucker!" is going to spill the beans when he thinks he's got Jesse on the ropes, only for Jesse to go all Super Saiyan on his ass.

 

[Salsa]

Next season's gonna be straight up conflict between Walt and Jesse, question is at what point he's gonna find out, cause i dont believe they can mantain the whole season as a cat and mouse game.

In the meantime Hank gets on Walt's tail, FBI keeps their eye on Jesse, and Mike wakes up.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

He's GOT to find out. Walt in a moment of "I'm Heisenburg mother fucker!" is going to spill the beans when he thinks he's got Jesse on the ropes, only for Jesse to go all Super Saiyan on his ass.

"WHO DO YOU THINK PROTECTED YOU FROM JANE??"

 

[Salsa]

I also thought there was a sort of nod at Nolan. As if he's trying to send him a message. ''This is how it's done, Nolan''.

wat

edit: holy shit at people thinking a breaking bad season finale is an homage to The Dark Knight. Jesus christ.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

i just hope it won't take over a year like it did last time.

They're going back to the Writing Room in November and the AMC promos have said "Next Summer". Not tooooo bad.

 

[Sanjuro]

It can't go away without Gilligan looking totally sloppy. There are far too many loose ends for it to just get conveniently wrapped up. And though Brock can't directly implicate Walt, Jesse will no doubt go after Saul, who will eventually squeal.

In my view, it's clearly going to be the final straw that will break Walt and Jesse's relationship.

It won't look very sloppy. Again, Jessie and Walt are a team. Not all teams are perfect. Walt has the ability to use Jessie for his advantage in this situation. In the end there is no harm to the result. There have been times where Walt went out of his way to help Jessie. They are a dysfunctional duo. That will always be the theme of the show.

 

[U2NUMB]

I get this, but as far as Gus knows Tio had just confessed to the DEA. Seems like something that would make him more cautious and not mindlessly reckless.

Right but you know he HAD to kill Tio himself.. he wanted to watch him die in front of him. The chance to do that clouded any judgement he may have had. And he has been over his head for a while actually. How often was he close to being caught by Hank?

I think it makes total sense. He trusts his guy to clear the room and in a way felt nobody could harm him with the Cartel out of the way.

 

[Keylime]

"WHO DO YOU THINK PROTECTED YOU FROM JANE??"

Pitch perfect.

 

[bud]

how many people has walt killed so far, anyway? jane (well, he didn't save her either...), the two guys in "half measures," the two guys plus gus, tyrus and tio in this episode... am i forgetting anyone?

They're going back to the Writing Room in November and the AMC promos have said "Next Summer". Not tooooo bad.

not too bad indeed!

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

how many people has walt killed so far, anyway? jane (well, he didn't save her either...), the two guys in "half measures," the two guys plus gus in this episode... am i forgetting anyone?




not too bad indeed!

Tyrus and Hector plus the two thugs. So four guys plus Gus in the finale.

 

[Sanjuro]

I haven't talked about Jane in years, but I hate the notion that he killed her. Regardless of Walt's moral code at that point, the show was led you down the Jessie/Jane path to believe they were a trainwreck. In Walt's eyes he was viewing the same path as we were.

 

[kehs]

how many people has walt killed so far, anyway? jane (well, he didn't save her either...), the two guys in "half measures," the two guys plus gus, tyrus and tio in this episode... am i forgetting anyone?

Zero, self defense doesn't count as "killing" someone, jeez.

 

[Amir0x]

Good advice. Ignore it is. (I don't find Walt sympathetic and only lurk in this thread, but I think you're annoying on a level rarely seen outside of political threads).

Glad I could be of service. I'll never be afraid or annoyed to hear what people say, so the number of people on my ignore list will continue to be zero. I just skip the posts I don't want to read.

Man this thread has been so incredible. I haven't been this entertained since JBaird's little stunt.

 

[Sanjuro]

how many people has walt killed so far, anyway? jane (well, he didn't save her either...), the two guys in "half measures," the two guys plus gus, tyrus and tio in this episode... am i forgetting anyone?

Aztek.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I haven't talked about Jane in years, but I hate the notion that he killed her. Regardless of Walt's moral code at that point, the show was led you down the Jessie/Jane path to believe they were a trainwreck. In Walt's eyes he was viewing the same path as we were.

Dude. Do you know how many other options he had instead of killing her? He could have dropped everything, threw them in his car and took them to treatment, an emergency room, ANYTHING.

Yes, he didn't cave in her head with a rock. But he is 100% responsible for her death. If you don't want to call it murder, it's just semantics.

 

[Sanjuro]

Dude. Do you know how many other options he had instead of killing her? He could have dropped everything, threw them in his car and took them to treatment, an emergency room, ANYTHING.

Yes, he didn't cave in her head with a rock. But he is 100% responsible for her death. If you don't want to call it murder, it's just semantics.

That isn't murder. Again, I'm not saying his choice was morally decent. He was just staring at a trainwreck and chose to be a spectator.

 

[Amir0x]

It won't look very sloppy. Again, Jessie and Walt are a team. Not all teams are perfect. Walt has the ability to use Jessie for his advantage in this situation. In the end there is no harm to the result. There have been times where Walt went out of his way to help Jessie. They are a dysfunctional duo. That will always be the theme of the show.

They're not a duo or partnership, at least not in Walt's eyes. Walt uses Jesse the entire season, his few speeches to him have been amazingly condescending and degrading, and the way he gets Jesse on his side finally is by manipulating him by almost killing the boy Jesse is starting to view almost like a son.

Yes, they're "dysfunctional" alright... but they're no duo anymore than Victor was a 'partner' to Gus. Walt uses Jesse for just what he needs to meet his goals, but if the time came when Jesse needed to go to survive he would kill Jesse too.

No question in my mind, the final season is about Jesse finally realizing the monster he is subordinate to.

 

[StuBurns]

They're a partnership financially, he essentially gave him three million dollars. Their partnership, literally from day one, was financial, he was his boss from the very first time they meet in the show, he blackmails him, he refuses to cook with the chilli powder etc. They were never equals.

 

[kehs]

No question in my mind, the final season is about Jesse finally realizing the monster he is subordinate to.

Jesse's gonna work with Skysky?

awwww yeaa, late night lab work.

 

[Sanjuro]

They're not a duo or partnership, at least not in Walt's eyes. Walt uses Jesse the entire season, his few speeches to him have been amazingly condescending and degrading, and the way he gets Jesse on his side finally is by manipulating him by almost killing the boy Jesse is starting to view almost like a son.

Yes, they're "dysfunctional" alright... but they're no duo anymore than Victor was a 'partner' to Gus. Walt uses Jesse for just what he needs to meet his goals, but if the time came when Jesse needed to go to survive he would kill Jesse too.

No question in my mind, the final season is about Jesse finally realizing the monster he is subordinate to.

In a way they still are. I mean who knows where the show will take them. I just don't believe Brock will be a part of the equation. I think that was concluded with the final shot.

You are correct though about Jesse. I don't think it will happen in the same fashion you are describing, but I think Jessie has become ultimately a better person than Walt has...but again he has shown signs of being one for better part of the show. I still believe they still respect each other to certain degrees, in the end, at some point, they will both have a grasp of who Walt has become.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I can totally see Mike and Jesse teaming up to take down Walt. And I will relish it. Because it will be AMAWZING.

#HappyEndingsReference

 

[Salsa]

Its pretty funny to see people arguing Amir0x's take on this, its basically everything they tried to say with that last plant shot.

How is Walt not a fucking asshole? of course he's likeable as a character and we all like seeing "badass" moments from him, in the same way we loved The Joker in TDK for example (now those two things are stuck in my head together), was he not an asshole that deserved to go jail? Walt's a human being with fucked up priorities trying to get out of a situation by using people who had nothing to do with the turn of events. He only has himself to blame.

I mean seriously gaf? he calls his fucking neiborgh to check the house to see if there were people there to kill him. He's risking absolutely everyone without thinking twice about it.

 

[BertramCooper]

It won't look very sloppy. Again, Jessie and Walt are a team. Not all teams are perfect. Walt has the ability to use Jessie for his advantage in this situation. In the end there is no harm to the result. There have been times where Walt went out of his way to help Jessie. They are a dysfunctional duo. That will always be the theme of the show.

This isn't Psych. Walt and Jesse aren't just a couple of buddies who have ups and downs but ultimately have each other's backs.

We're talking about an abusive relationship here. Eventually, the victim snaps. And when Jesse does, Walt is going down.

This show isn't about friendship. It's about self-destruction.

 

[Sanjuro]

Again, I think there is some part of them which care about each other. It doesn't change the fact they both are morally fucked individuals. In the end they will both be merely puppets to the more dangerous individual. This entire show is leading up to a giant breakfast buffet constructed by Walt. Jr.

 

[Amir0x]

Its pretty funny to see people arguing Amir0x's take on this, its basically everything they tried to say with that last plant shot.

How is Walt not a fucking asshole? of course he's likeable as a character and we all like seeing "badass" moments from him, in the same way we loved The Joker in TDK for example (now those two things are stuck in my head together), was he not an asshole that deserved to go jail? Walt's a human being with fucked up priorities trying to get out of a situation by using people who had nothing to do with the turn of events.

I mean seriously gaf? he calls his fucking neiborgh to check the house to see if there were people there to kill him. He's risking absolutely everyone without thinking twice about it.

no apparently it's how annoying I am at being right that gets under the skin of the readers. Ah well, like I said, I've been waiting for an episode like this to end the argument once and for all and it delivered.

Even I didn't think Walt would really poison a kid, but he did... and there is no justification short of insanity.

 

[Sanjuro]

This isn't Psych. Walt and Jesse aren't just a couple of buddies who have ups and downs but ultimately have each other's backs.

We're talking about an abusive relationship here. Eventually, the victim snaps. And when Jesse does, Walt is going down.

This show isn't about friendship. It's about self-destruction.

I know. It isn't a terrible show.

Abusive relationship is a good term. I know the show isn't about friendship. It's a fucked up variant of it. I could be more clever, but it's the Odd Couple on meth.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

I haven't talked about Jane in years, but I hate the notion that he killed her. Regardless of Walt's moral code at that point, the show was led you down the Jessie/Jane path to believe they were a trainwreck. In Walt's eyes he was viewing the same path as we were.

You're wrong. That scene was the very first time we got a glimpse of what Walter White was capable of. You can argue semantics all you want, but he directly and willingly led to the death of another human being. That was the birthplace of Walt as he is now, and to downplay it is to miss the entire point.

 

[KingGondo]

I personally think that there's no way Walt will let Jesse get in position to kill him.

He's a mastermind, he plans for every eventuality and he'd be an idiot not to think that Jesse might eventually turn against him.

Walt will kill Jesse once it becomes apparent that Jesse is of no more use to him.

 

[clip]

I think in the final season, we'll see Walt actually let something bad happen to someone in his family, in order to save himself at some point. Then there won't be any debate as to who he really is.

 

[Sanjuro]

You're wrong. That scene was the very first time we got a glimpse of what Walter White was capable of. You can argue semantics all you want, but he directly and willingly led to the death of another human being. That was the birthplace of Walt as he is now, and to downplay it is to miss the entire point.

NO UR WRONG!

The birthplace of who Walt is now? He wasn't a moral person prior to that event either. I'm arguing the fact that where the show is now, Brock and Jane mean squat. Jessie doesn't need direct examples to reveal what kind of person Walt is.

 

[kehs]

You're wrong. That scene was the very first time we got a glimpse of what Walter White was capable of. You can argue semantics all you want, but he directly and willingly led to the death of another human being. That was the birthplace of Walt as he is now, and to downplay it is to miss the entire point.

I don't know, the whole attemp to kill two guys out in the desert from the pilot sorta showed it.