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[freenudemacusers]

Interesting take by Amir0x. But I still think Walt is a good guy, who's just willing to go to the extreme to save his family. And I think he considers Jesse part of his family too.

the extremes walt is facing are all results of his selfishness and ego. remember in season 1 when he was offered a lucrative position at a former friend's company? dude has done nothing but damage his family since practically the middle of the first season.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Interesting take by Amir0x. But I still think Walt is a good guy, who's just willing to go to the extreme to save his family. And I think he considers Jesse part of his family too.

Next season is either gonna be about Walt and the DEA or an introduction of a new villian like the twins?

A foxy female assassin, Dana Heladio. Gus' ex-lover, they were torn asunder because Don Heladio never approved of their union, played by Demi Moore.

Guseo and Danaet.

 

[Salsa]

Interesting take by Amir0x. But I still think Walt is a good guy, who's just willing to go to the extreme to save his family. And I think he considers Jesse part of his family too.

Next season is either gonna be about Walt and the DEA or an introduction of a new villian like the twins?

Its not a take man, its what the show is fucking telling us.

He cares about his family, but one caring about his loved ones =/= being selfish. If he TRULY cared about his family in the right way he would have never gotten this deep, or he would have thrown himself into jail while he still could.

and they're not gonna introduce a new villain in the final season of the show.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Random note: LOVE Paul's delivery of "You brought a BOMB to a HOSPITAL?"

 

[Gary Whitta]

You could argue that Walt is ultimately a force for good as his actions have resulted, directly or indirectly, in the downfall of a major Mexican drug cartel and the biggest distributor in the western US.

 

[D4Danger]

Interesting take by Amir0x. But I still think Walt is a good guy, who's just willing to go to the extreme to save his family. And I think he considers Jesse part of his family too.

Next season is either gonna be about Walt and the DEA or an introduction of a new villian like the twins?

incredible.

I wonder where the line is. Almost murdering a child obviously wasn't it.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

You could argue that Walt is ultimately a force for good as his actions have resulted, directly or indirectly, in the downfall of a major Mexican drug cartel and the biggest distributor in the western US.

More like a redistribution. I'm sure he'll be taking it over and making things so much worse on such a grander scale.

I was thinking last night how much fun Walt running a huge crime operation is going to be. Him and Saul interviewing potential dealers from Saul's list of clients. Oh man. What fun to be had.

 

[Salsa]

I mean Walt in his own head he has what he thinks is the right idea and he believes in what he does to defend his family, but that doesnt make him a good guy, i mean every villain has a reasoning behind what he does, wich many times can be justified but that doesnt make the consequences of his actions any better. In the end he's a fucking selfish asshole for making all the wrong decisions based on stuff like greed and saving his own ass first.

 

[RevDM]

Random note: LOVE Paul's delivery of "You brought a BOMB to a HOSPITAL?"

The best part was that it was at the pediatric ICU. He literally brought a bomb to the sickest kids in the city.

 

[Amir0x]

incredible.

I wonder where the line is. Almost murdering a child obviously wasn't it.

i think the only way these few remaining stragglers will ever think of Walt as a truly horrible person with no redeemable features is if he intentionally kills one of his own family


unless it's Skylar, in which case they will justify it saying 'the bitch had to go, it was survival, if you were in his shoes you would have done the saaaaame thing!'

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

The best part was that it was at the pediatric ICU. He literally brought a bomb to the sickest kids in the city.

Ha ha ha ha holy shit, seriously.

 

[dave is ok]

I could totally see Walt killing Hank or Jesse by the end of the show

 

[Lonestar]

The best part was that it was at the pediatric ICU. He literally brought a bomb to the sickest kids in the city.

Well, he had already poisoned a kid. Don't think he put much thought into bringing a bomb to some.

 

[IMACOMPUTA]

Oh for fuck's sake.

If I could ride a dinosaur I might ride it in a band leader's uniform.

Walt is in this 'extreme situation' because he put himself there. Everyone else in his life is there because he dragged them there. I wouldn't *be* in Walt's position because I'm not completely lacking a conscience, and I say that as someone who genuinely believes in some form of moral relativism.

And no, I wouldn't poison a child. Period. I sure as fuck wouldn't do it as part of some cold and calculated plan to become the biggest dirtbag on the criminal pile. He's done nothing for good reasons, and everything for selfish reasons.

It seriously worries me that anyone could possibly sympathize with Walt after this episode. If you think you're capable of doing the things Walt has done, I really genuinely worry about you.

Also, I think some people are confusing chemists with biologists. Walt may know exactly how much of this poison to put someone on the brink of death without killing them (knowledge I hesitate to believe anyone could even have, given the imprecise nature of the human body), but we have no reason to believe that.

He gambled with the kid's life and he won. But let's not kid ourselves, he basically attempted to murder a child.

..I'm sure pre-breaking bad Walt would say all of these things too.

He didn't expect to become a killer. He wanted to cook and make money to help his family. The shit just kept piling up. He's become fucked up. He constantly fucks everything up. People sympathize because we want him to get his shit together. We know what he used to be.
Who the fuck would say "Yeah, I'd kill a kid." ?

Walt did what he had to do to save his family. To save his infant daughter, son, wife and in-laws.

I'm pretty sure nobody in this thread has ever been in a situation remotely close to Walt's. You don't know what you would do. You might think you do, but you don't.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Loved this season but I cannot wait for next as the writers can do both the crazier, moment-to-moment suspense thing that they've nailed in S4 and mesh it with a more cohesive arc like they did for S2 and S3. I only wish that the show could have a full two seasons of 26 episodes to flesh out Walter's rise and fall as a major player.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Well, he had already poisoned a kid. Don't think he put much thought into bringing a bomb to some.

It was a classic gag but also really showed the depths of his self absorption. He had to talk to Jesse immediately. Nothing else mattered.

 

[Viewt]

Walt's not a good guy, people. A good person does not:
1. Poison children
2. Kill people and feel nothing
3. Manipulate people constantly

You know what a good man would've done? He would've taken Gretchen's money, paid for his treatment with ease and then would've gone back to work when he went into remission.

EDIT: And let's also remember that Gus never said he was DEFINITELY going to kill Walt's family. He just said that he was out, and that he couldn't talk to Jesse anymore. Walt could've left things along, gone back to his war chest full of cash, and cut his losses. But he wanted to get back at Gus for putting him on his knees in the desert. This was all about revenge.

You know, like a bad guy.

 

[U2NUMB]

Walt's not a good guy, people. A good person does not:
1. Poison children
2. Kill people and feel nothing
3. Manipulate people constantly

 

[Yurt]

Guys whatever happened to respecting each others opinions :/

 

[Salsa]

I could totally see Walt killing Hank

I like how people think Walt calling the cops on Hank was him risking everything in order to save him when in reality he was just scared of them tracing the drug thing all the way back to him. He's always saving his own ass.

Guys whatever happened to respecting each others opinions :/

you thinking Walt is a good guy is not an opinion about the show but rather an opinion of what makes a guy good or bad to you. And if you think a good guy is capable of pulling the crap Walt pulls in this series then there's something seriously wrong with your morale.

 

[IMACOMPUTA]

No, you're wrong. The show is called "breaking bad" and it's about Walt. He is clearly bad. It says so in the title of the show. "Bad" is a moral quality. The show is anything BUT amoral.

It is very moral in its writing. Asking the neighbor lady over was hitting us over the head with how awful Walt is. He sends an elderly, frail lady to walk into a Hornet's nest on his behalf for a lie. The show is clearly making it fucking obvious how bad Walt actually is.

It's not showing us how bad he is, it's showing us how desperate he is. He's fucking human. Corruptible. Weak. Spiraling out of control.

 

[kehs]

The best part was that it was at the pediatric ICU. He literally brought a bomb to the sickest kids in the city.

This is so awesome.

 

[Viewt]

Yeah, the "I won" line TOTALLY brings it home that this was more about Walt sticking it to Gus and showing himself to be the "big man."

Walt is the one who knocks. And when you cross him, he'll be knocking at your door.

Guys whatever happened to respecting each others opinions :/

You're totally welcome to your opinion, dude. Part of the fun (for me at least) is the debate on the show's intention.

 

[Lonestar]

Walt's not a good guy, people. A good person does not:
1. Poison children
2. Kill people and feel nothing
3. Manipulate people constantly

You know what a good man would've done? He would've taken Gretchen's money, paid for his treatment with ease and then would've gone back to work when he went into remission.

EDIT: And let's also remember that Gus never said he was DEFINITELY going to kill Walt's family. He just said that he was out, and that he couldn't talk to Jesse anymore. Walt could've left things along, gone back to his war chest full of cash, and cut his losses. But he wanted to get back at Gus for putting him on his knees in the desert. This was all about revenge.

You know, like a bad guy.

You left out "I'm going to take care of Hank"

Hank being killed was the lynchpin to Walt's latest action.

 

[Bread]

Walt is definitely not a good guy, but I'm rooting for him anyways.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Needs to be Obama'd, "I WON" along the bottom.

 

[triplestation]

incredible.

I wonder where the line is. Almost murdering a child obviously wasn't it.

It was a controlled poisoning.

He did kill the guards who were keeping an eye on Jesse, though.

But frankly, I still am on Walt's side because he's a hell of a character. Don't know how you can't admire him. He's a genius, he's a tactician. A fucking mastermind you don't wanna cross. But at the same time, I remember him from season one, and all of the shocking displays he's seen. Being held at gunpoint by Emilio and Krazy 8. Making the decision to kill Krazy 8 before trying so desperately to persuade himself to let him free. And then crying/apologizing afterwards. The looks of awe and disgust on his face after watching Tuco beat someone to death. Looking at Jesse, knowing Tuco has wronged him. Yeah, Walt has broke bad. But he's learned that in this business, there is no way of surviving being a goddamned pussy. And with that considered, I think he's done a pretty good job at being a good enough guy. And that's good enough for me. I'm with Walt to the end. Fuck all else.

 

[Salsa]

It was a controlled poisoning.

He did kill the guards who were keeping an eye on Jesse, though.

But frankly, I still am on Walt's side because he's a hell of a character. Don't know how you can't admire him. He's a genius, he's a tactician. A fucking mastermind you don't wanna cross. But at the same time, I remember him from season one, and all of the shocking displays he's seen. Being held at gunpoint by Emilio and Krazy 8. Making the decision to kill Krazy 8 before trying so desperately to persuade himself to let him free. And then crying/apologizing afterwards. The looks of awe and disgust on his face after watching Tuco beat someone to death. Looking at Jesse, knowing Tuco has wronged him. Yeah, Walt has broke bad. But he's learned that in this business, there is no way of surviving being a goddamned pussy. And with that considered, I think he's done a pretty good job at being a good enough guy. And that's good enough for me. I'm with Walt to the end. Fuck all else.

im out

 

[Yurt]

You're totally welcome to your opinion, dude. Part of the fun (for me at least) is the debate on the show's intention.

Well, people are implying that I'm either stupid, or a serial killer...lol

you thinking Walt is a good guy is not an opinion about the show but rather an opinion of what makes a guy good or bad to you. And if you think a good guy is capable of pulling the crap Walt pulls in this series then there's something seriously wrong with your morale.

Could you take this more seriously please? I'm sorry if your feelings are hurt or something about a fucking show.

I said he was willing to do anything to save his family, I wouldn't do that, no one in his right mind would be in his position anyway. But it clearly went downhill when Gus threatened his family.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

It was a controlled poisoning.

He did kill the guards who were keeping an eye on Jesse, though.

But frankly, I still am on Walt's side because he's a hell of a character. Don't know how you can't admire him. He's a genius, he's a tactician. A fucking mastermind you don't wanna cross. But at the same time, I remember him from season one, and all of the shocking displays he's seen. Being held at gunpoint by Emilio and Krazy 8. Making the decision to kill Krazy 8 before trying so desperately to persuade himself to let him free. And then crying/apologizing afterwards. The looks of awe and disgust on his face after watching Tuco beat someone to death. Looking at Jesse, knowing Tuco has wronged him. Yeah, Walt has broke bad. But he's learned that in this business, there is no way of surviving being a goddamned pussy. And with that considered, I think he's done a pretty good job at being a good enough guy. And that's good enough for me. I'm with Walt to the end. Fuck all else.

I think this is where people diverge opinions.

I am fascinated by Walt, one of the best constructed characters in TV ever. But to be on "his side" involves a frightening number of moral compromises that, as Amir0x rightly states, one would probably have to be a bit off kilter morally to allow.

 

[Salsa]

Could you take this more seriously please? I'm sorry if your feelings are hurt or something about a fucking show.

I said he was willing to do anything to save his family, I wouldn't do that, no one in his right mind would be in his position anyway. But it clearly went downhill when Gus threatened his family.

? im discussing a show here, no need to talk crap like that, seems im not the one with the hurt feelings :/

he would do stuff to save his family, yes, that doesnt make him a good guy at all.

you know what he could do if he cared about his family more than his own sorry ass? tell them the truth, at least to Skyler, make them disappear through Saul's dude, and confess and throw himself into jail. He is not doing everything he possibly can to save his family AT ALL.

 

[freenudemacusers]

I am fascinated by Walt, one of the best constructed characters in TV ever. But to be on "his side" involves a frightening number of moral compromises that, as Amir0x rightly states, one would probably have to be a bit off kilter morally to allow.

This; Walt is a great character but to be on his side and admire his actions, no.

Could you take this more seriously please? I'm sorry if your feelings are hurt or something about a fucking show.

Weren't you just complaining about having your opinions respected? Seems you're a little sensitive yourself.

 

[Amir0x]

This; Walt is a great character but to be on his side and admire his actions, no.

Yup. Walt is so fascinating to watch. I wouldn't have it any other way. But he's fascinating to watch precisely because he's a monster, not because he's any longer a morally ambiguous character. He's not. He's a monster. That IS what makes him amazing to watch.

 

[IMACOMPUTA]

No, he just attempted murder. On an innocent child. That's all that was. Totally justifiable if it meant saving his (family's) ass.

Fixed that for ya.

 

[U2NUMB]

Needs to be Obama'd, "I WON" along the bottom.

Good idea.. I adjusted it BB style

 

[Yurt]

? im discussing a show here, no need to talk crap like that, seems im not the one with the hurt feelings :/

he would do anything to save his family, yes, that doesnt make him a good guy at all.

you know what he could do if he cared about his family more than his own sorry ass? tell them the truth, at least to Skyler, make him disappear through Saul's dude, and confess and throw himself into jail.

"There's something seriously wrong with your morale" is not discussing a show.

Maybe my morale is off today because I was watching Dexter haha

Weren't you just complaining about having your opinions respected? Seems you're a little sensitive yourself.

Did you read his post(s) ? I'm fine with his take on this, and it seems closer to what the writers intended anyway. I think they're showing us how he changed as a person.

I have no idea why I still have faith in him

 

[kehs]

I hope Walt opens up a fried chicken restaurant.

 

[Salsa]

Fixed that for ya.

k, what's your take on this then:

you know what he could do if he cared about his family more than his own sorry ass? tell them the truth, at least to Skyler, make them disappear through Saul's dude, and confess and throw himself into jail. He is not doing everything he possibly can to save his family AT ALL.

"There's something seriously wrong with your morale" is not discussing a show.

Maybe my morale is off today because I was watching Dexter haha

that was a way of saying dude c'mon. Sorry if i offended you.

 

[Arozay]

The best part was that it was at the pediatric ICU. He literally brought a bomb to the sickest kids in the city.

My favourite part was the cut from Marie to Hank going to the DEA, "Hank, thanks for coming down."

 

[Spire]

Good finale, played out exactly as I expected. The final season is pretty much going to be the final season of The Shield. That's a good thing, btw.

The tie-straightening was just as retarded as I feared. BB walks a very fine line and sometimes it crosses over into the absurd (the plane crash, for example) but I can forgive that in the long run.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Good idea.. I adjusted it BB style

BEAUTIFUL!!

 

[freenudemacusers]

Yup. Walt is so fascinating to watch. I wouldn't have it any other way. But he's fascinating to watch precisely because he's a monster, not because he's any longer a morally ambiguous character. He's not. He's a monster. That IS what makes him amazing to watch.

Compare him in season 1 vs what we see now. Walt was disgusted with himself during the whole 'bathtub' thing and making meth in the first place; and now he has zero hesitation in poisoning a child or killing a young woman to manipulate someone. It's not even the actions (which are terrible in their own right) but the complete lack of guilt or shame in doing them that makes him a terrible person.

 

[Yurt]

that was a way of saying dude c'mon. Sorry if i offended you.

It's fine man English is my third language so don't be surprised if it flew over my head lol

 

[Holepunch]

Am I the only one who's they revealed Walt to be the one who poisoned Brock? It had the same flaws as it did 2 weeks ago.

-Walt didn't know who Brock was
-Walt didn't know Brock's significance to Jesse.
-Walt didn't know where Brock lived
-How exactly did Walt get the poison into Brock?
-How did Walt steal Jesse's cigarette to make him think it was ricin?

The only time I recall Brock and Walt being anywhere near each other is the time he was on the couch and Walt went to visit Jesse. He only saw the kid briefly. Right after that he got tased and dragged into the desert so it's not like he could've followed the kid home from there.

Is there any scenes I'm forgetting or am I suppose to assume all these flaws got taken care of off-camera?

 

[brianjones]

Am I the only one who's they revealed Walt to be the one who poisoned Brock? It had the same flaws as it did 2 weeks ago.

-Walt didn't know who Brock was
-Walt didn't know Brock's significance to Jesse.
-Walt didn't know where Brock lived
-How exactly did Walt get the poison into Brock?
-How did Walt steal Jesse's cigarette to make him think it was ricin?

The only time I recall Brock and Walt being anywhere near each other is the time he was on the couch and Walt went to visit Jesse. He only saw the kid briefly. Right after that he got tased and dragged into the desert so it's not like he could've followed the kid home from there.

Is there any scenes I'm forgetting or am I suppose to assume all these flaws got taken care of off-camera?

breaking contrived

 

[Salsa]

you know what i didnt like? the sign in the plant that said "lilly of the valley" after, you know, a long-ass zoom into it.

we're not stupid Vince.

Am I the only one who's they revealed Walt to be the one who poisoned Brock? It had the same flaws as it did 2 weeks ago.

-Walt didn't know who Brock was
-Walt didn't know Brock's significance to Jesse.
-Walt didn't know where Brock lived
-How exactly did Walt get the poison into Brock?
-How did Walt steal Jesse's cigarette to make him think it was ricin?

The only time I recall Brock and Walt being anywhere near each other is the time he was on the couch and Walt went to visit Jesse. He only saw the kid briefly. Right after that he got tased and dragged into the desert so it's not like he could've followed the kid home from there.

Is there any scenes I'm forgetting or am I suppose to assume all these flaws got taken care of off-camera?

this show, as many, has some really small moments of lousy-ass writing, this is one of them.

 

[blackflag]

I hated Walt before this episode and hate him even more now.

Spoiler

Sending an old lady into his house as bait. Poisoning a kid. Over the top.

Love the show just rooting for him to get the gruesome death that is coming to him.

 

[Dragon]

Fixed that for ya.

There were other ways he could have 'saved' his family. Jesse wasn't going to kill his family, Gus was. He could have just killed Gus without Jesse. His actions are not justifiable and if Skylar ever heard of them she would run so fucking far.

 

[freenudemacusers]

you know what i didnt like? the sign in the plant that said "lilly of the valley" after, you know, a long-ass zoom into it.

we're not stupid Vince.

After the last season's gunshot insanity he probably felt it was necessary.

 

[smokeymicpot]

Mike is gonna wake up next season and he will have no idea what happened.