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Breaking Bad - Season 4 - Sundays on AMC

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SalsaShark said:
I think Margolis was also brilliant, surprised more people arent talking about that. The way he finally looked at Gus at the last moment and how his expression changed from sorrow to the fucking meanest look in history.

It was the fucking best. (But his Hank scene was better. So smug and awesome.)
 
Amir0x said:
?

didn't know rolllin' on Ecstasy was in the same morally corrupt level of poisoning innocent children and putting poor old ladies in harm way to protect my ass (protip: taking drugs is not immoral at all, in fact)

I always take responsibility for my actions. I expect no one to go down for what I do but myself.
Like drunk driving you POS?
 
bigjimmystyle said:
Is there any explanation for how Gus managed to guess that his car was rigged with a bomb?
Or why he went to the old folks home despite the odds of it being a trap was even higher?

It's just one of those things you need to suspend disbelief for. Sometimes he has those spidey senses, other times not.
 

Salsa

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bigjimmystyle said:
Is there any explanation for how Gus managed to guess that his car was rigged with a bomb?

Foliorum Viridum said:
Or why he went to the old folks home despite the odds of it being a trap was even higher?

It only serves as a juxtaposition on how wary he was about Walt being onto him and how his emotions towards his partner's killer still get in the way of that. He got careless cause he's filled with revenge. That's the one new thing that was introduced about him this season with that flashback. He's indeed a human after all, and he made a mistake.

The fact that his only "flaw" on his otherwise meticulous and perfect lifestyle is what got him killed is the whole point.
 

sp3000

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But those who call Gus a vicious monster will get an animated argument from Esposito.
“I find myself defending him, which I have to investigate because I’m fascinated by it,” he declared with a boisterous laugh. “I believe nothing is black and white.”

Gilligan echoed the sentiment: “I don’t think Gus is a good man, but he’s not an entirely bad man. He’s infinitely pragmatic. When he does something awful, it’s not with any pleasure or joy. He’s out to accomplish a goal and make a point.”

“When I first read it, I was absolutely shaken,” Esposito said. “I didn’t want to scar my spirit.” He had to find a way into the scene, and realized that “Gus has a family to take care of. This is how a man provides — if you have to do something, do it with no remorse and no looking back.

“If you feel sympathy for Gus and understand who he is, then I’ve done my job.”

From an interview with Giancarlo. Pretty much echoes my sentiments. Also applies to Walt since it's pretty much who Walt has become.

It only serves as a juxtaposition on how wary he was about Walt being onto him and how his emotions towards his partner's killer still get in the way of that. He got careless cause he's filled with revenge. That's the one new thing that was introduced about him this season with that flashback. He's indeed a human after all, and he made a mistake.

Yep. The only reason he had survived was because he showed no emotion. As soon as he left his emotions control him, he was finished.
 

teepo

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well knowing what we know about gus, the only way he was going to die was going to be the one and only time he let his guard down.
 
Foliorum Viridum said:
Or why he went to the old folks home despite the odds of it being a trap was even higher?

It's just one of those things you need to suspend disbelief for. Sometimes he has those spidey senses, other times not.
He had the place checked out by Tyrus so he felt confident that it was safe.
 
SalsaShark said:
I think Margolis was also brilliant, surprised more people arent talking about that. The way he finally looked at Gus at the last moment and how his expression changed from sorrow to the fucking meanest look in history.

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"Gimme my Emmy!"
 
Juancho9 said:
He had the place checked out by Tyrus so he felt confident that it was safe.
But then why didn't he send him to check under his car?

Just not completely consistent. I don't care, you can only expect so much of a TV show, but things like that stand out when you think about it.
 

Lonestar

I joined for Erin Brockovich discussion
Everyone seems to forget, that, besides a last minute piece of info from Jesse, that Walt had NO clue of Tio's connection to Gus. He didn't know where Tio was. I'd say the last time they had a meeting was back in Season 2, and he hasn't thought of him since.

The Old Folks home, for all Gus knew, was safe place to be, in regards to Walt's machinations.
 

Salsa

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Foliorum Viridum said:
But then why didn't he send him to check under his car?

Just not completely consistent. I don't care, you can only expect so much of a TV show, but things like that stand out when you think about it.

read my post, the whole reasoning behind that is the point of the entire plan.
 

inky

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Jakeh111 said:
How was Walt responsible for Janes death?

Huh? She was choking on her own vomit, he could've saved her. I get the question, he wasn't directly responsible for the way she died, but he could have stopped it.

Edit: at this point I'm just repeating over and over what people have already said, right? Sorry, I'm just skimming through the thread.
 
Foliorum Viridum said:
Or why he went to the old folks home despite the odds of it being a trap was even higher?

It's just one of those things you need to suspend disbelief for. Sometimes he has those spidey senses, other times not.

Or why Gus's bodyguard wasn't worried about the old guy ringing his bell and alerting the nurse as soon as he saw Gus pull out the syringe? They'd never let the old guy touch his bell even if they had no idea it was attached to a bomb.
 
bigjimmystyle said:
Is there any explanation for how Gus managed to guess that his car was rigged with a bomb?

Gus realized that it was a trap because Jess said that Brock had been poisoned and Gus didn't do it so that leaves Walt. And he knew that Walt wanted his ass dead so on his way to the car it started clicking in for him that maybe he should avoid the car they just left unattended.
 

Grinchy

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bigjimmystyle said:
Is there any explanation for how Gus managed to guess that his car was rigged with a bomb?
Why does it need an explanation? Jesse told Gus that someone poisoned Brock, and then he flinched when Gus went in close to comfort him. It was a little convenient that Jesse demanded that Gus come to the hospital to make him cook, and Gus was smart enough to see that. He knew something was up. He didn't know what, but he knew it was something.
 

Mindlog

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Foliorum Viridum said:
But then why didn't he send him to check under his car?

Just not completely consistent. I don't care, you can only expect so much of a TV show, but things like that stand out when you think about it.
Did he really have reason to be that paranoid? He knew he had to watch himself around Tio because of the DEA visit. If it is an inconstancy it predates this storyline and should probably be traced back to his dealings with the cartel.
 
SalsaShark said:
I think Margolis was also brilliant, surprised more people arent talking about that. The way he finally looked at Gus at the last moment and how his expression changed from sorrow to the fucking meanest look in history.
Dude did you see my post from yesterday?


bangladesh said:
One major and imo very overlooked thing I wanna point out about this episode is the performance given by Mark Margolis. (Hector/Tio) The expressions of Hector's final moment before he blows himself up was incredible and infinitely moving. His character wasn't exactly someone to root for but even with that considered, you still feel him recalling personal customs and memories from the past. Showing another part of him that is as pure as anyone else's before he swallows it all down and claims his vengeance.
 

kehs

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I don't think Gus knew walt put a homemade pipe bomb in the back of his car, and was waiting across the building to detonate it.

Gus knew something was up, so he decided to forgo his expected course of action.
 

Jakeh111

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inky said:
Huh? She was choking on her own vomit, he could've saved her. I get the question, he wasn't directly responsible for the way she died, but he could have stopped it.

Edit: at this point I'm just repeating over and over what people have already said, right? Sorry, I'm just skimming through the thread.

Its just been forever, I forgot what happened!
 

ourumov

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Just saw the episode. I am glad to have hinted Tio still had something to say! But nowhere in my brain I could expect the finale to be so cool... Snatcher/Terminator homage included XD


Anyways, put me in the bandwagon of the ones that still feel sympathy for Walt. His family never had anything to do with his motives for starting all this. I believe it was his own personal statement of starting taking blows and be the one giving them to life.

A brilliant guy, calmed, educated, always trying to do the right thing. The only thing he gets is a crappy job, a marriage that is about to break, a kid that pays more respect to the idiot of his brother in law, debts and more debts and fucking cancer.

Breaking Bad is not about Walter White trying to save his family but a personal reflexion about the end of the so-called American Dream and the meritocracy we all thought we lived in at some point in our lives.

I am not giving props to Walter White for killing anybody or turning into the monster he is now, but I like how he stops behaving like a victim and how he starts facing and actually beating all the crap he has to face. Taking control perhaps means becoming one of the monsters we have to face.
 

Salsa

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ourumov said:
A brilliant guy, calmed, educated, always trying to do the right thing. The only thing he gets is a crappy job, a marriage that is about to break, a kid that pays more respect to the idiot of his brother in law, debts and more debts and fucking cancer.

..wat

dude has unconditional love all around and he neglects it. His kid loves him and he barely pays attention to him. His wife has such strong feelings towards him that she's now willing to put up with all of this shit to pull through for the sake of the family, and he stepped up and help him out BIG time.

only bad luck thing of the ones you mentioned is cancer. Many people get that, doesnt justify any of his actions. Crappy job and debts are more shit that happens/his own fault because of his decisions in life, wich are irrelevant to the show as they're just part of the setup. None of this takes away from the fact that he has a family.

I get the sympathy thing and im willing to let some of the other stuff discussed to be up for interpretation, but Walt being a victim and his family being the ones in the wrong towards him? what?
 
maharg said:
Oh, and to throw fuel on the fire:

Vic Mackey is a better person than Walter White.
He's also a man of honor. Walt's been a small coward of a man since episode 1, playacting a tough guy at his best.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Wait who did I say deserved to die? And he called her a bitch, by the way. Suddenly that's not misogynistic?
It's not. It's an insult on the same level as asshole, dick, cunt,...
Also, you can call a guy a bitch as well.
 
scar tissue said:
It's not. It's an insult on the same level as asshole, dick, cunt,...
Also, you can call a guy a bitch as well.

Yeah and you can call a...

On second thought, I'm not going to finish that sentence. Agree to disagree.
 
shadyspace said:
He's also a man of honor. Walt's been a small coward of a man since episode 1, playacting a tough guy at his best.
I actually view Walt as something much more sinister, merely using the perception of being a coward to his benefit.
 
I still can't see Walt as a monster just yet. Mostly because of all of this happened because of the dumb shit Jesse did. Most of his truly evil actions were in self defense and in some cases the greater good.

I have a good feeling Season 5 is where the Scarface in Walt comes out since he has no one left to defend himself from. All the problems that happen will be his fault.
 

Grinchy

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scar tissue said:
It's not. It's an insult on the same level as asshole, dick, cunt,...
Also, you can call a guy a bitch as well.
A female actor is called an actress. A female waiter is called a waitress. A female asshole is a bitch.

Sure, we don't need to assign gender to our words, but we do it for some reason. I'd be happy with just calling her an asshole too but other people would find it odd.
 

Akia

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Akia said:
If small time guys like Walt and Jesse can find a great dirty lawyer like Saul.

Can you guys imagine the type of criminal lawyer that Gus has at his disposal?

We're talking Maurice "Maury" Levy + Saul Goodman x 1000 here. Who knows what crazy orders Gus left in his will.

Anyone want to comment on Gus' lawyer playing a role in Season 5?
 

Spire

Subconscious Brolonging
shadyspace said:
He's also a man of honor. Walt's been a small coward of a man since episode 1, playacting a tough guy at his best.

I don't know about that. I think the main difference between the two is that
at the end of The Shield, Mackey is still deluding himself into believing he's a good person. Walt is clearly embracing his dark side.
 
Im just watching episode 9 atm... but what has happened to this thread? Theres just tons of replies out of nowhere... does something game changing happen?
 

ourumov

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..wat

dude has unconditional love all around and he neglects it. His kid loves him and he barely pays attention to him. His wife has such strong feelings towards him that she's now willing to put up with all of this shit to pull through for the sake of the family, and he stepped up and help him out BIG time.

only bad luck thing of the ones you mentioned is cancer. Many people get that, doesnt justify any of his actions. Crappy job and debts are more shit that happens/his own fault because of his decisions in life, wich are irrelevant to the show as they're just part of the setup. None of this takes away from the fact that he has a family.

I get the sympathy thing and im willing to let some of the other stuff discussed to be up for interpretation, but Walt being a victim and his family being the ones in the wrong towards him? what?

Not a victim of his family but of the system itself.

But going to the family thing...
Walt was a man that had lost all his self-respect and his family was one of the reasons of that situation. He did all kind of humiliating stuff in order to keep his family in a nice and happy life and no doubt they loved him and he loved him but Walt was clearly not loving himself (don't insert the crappy and easy joke here, fellas ;).

By the end of season 4 his self-respect skyrocketed while his love for his family is perhaps not as important as it used to be. Like I said, in order to be in control perhaps the only solution was to become a total asshole.
 
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