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[Zeliard]

I think the way The Shield ended with Vic Mackey's character is probably the most interesting and memorable fashion that an immoral protagonist's story has ended (in a TV show).

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

As good as that was that song will always be about Six feet Under and gets me hard every time I hear it thinking about the last scenes of that fucking awesome show. Best TV ending in history, period.

I'm glad that video scrubbed that shlocky mess out of my head. Six Feet Under should have ended with Nate falling out of the frame of the side view mirror and Claire drives off. Boy I did not like that ending.

At all.

 

[Puddles]

Gus redirects the danger that Hank was only in because Walt is a horrible meth cooking asshole. The cartel was going after Walt, then because Gus needed him to continue to be the awful human being he is... he found a scape goat to misdirect the violence. It's a direct expansion of the danger his family is always in due to what he does, and that he carelessly discards as if it means nothing.

It's hilarious to me how people are constantly trying to find ways to justify the awful things Walt has done to literally every person he knows. I always love reading these comments, genuinely.

So blame Gus for Hank getting shot. Walt didn't "directly" cause anything. In fact, there's a perfect word that we can use in this situation: "indirectly".

 

[GavinGT]

Is there a writers' strike going on that I didn't hear about? That intro, the car thing, and then "epic fail".......

I'm only 10 minutes in. I'm guessing it gets better.

 

[betweenthewheels]

As good as that was that song will always be about Six feet Under and gets me hard every time I hear it thinking about the last scenes of that fucking awesome show. Best TV ending in history, period.

Agreed, it sounds so out of place in other shows.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

I think the way The Shield ended with Vic Mackey's character is probably the most interesting and memorable fashion that an immoral protagonist's story has ended (in a TV show).

Yeah, The Shield nailed it.

Vic was an utter cunt, whom I somewhat felt sorry for at times, but on the whole he was just a disgusting human being. The end of The Shield is utterly perfect. Anyone who didn't want to

Spoiler

see him suffer his worst nightmare in a desk job

didn't understand the show. You can't have a better ending than that.

 

[kehs]

It confuses me that people can't accept Walt's a horrible person.

He fell into some bad times man. It could happen to anyone. In fact it probably will happen to everyone. Deep down inside everybody there's a little heisenberg just waiting to disassociate the next corporal body that crosses his path.

 

[Amir0x]

So blame Gus for Hank getting shot. Walt didn't "directly" cause anything. In fact, there's a perfect word that we can use in this situation: "indirectly".

Quite literally, if Walt left the drug industry earlier none of it would have happened. Quite directly, if Walt hadn't had his fake fugue state and "disappeared" due to his involvement in this world, Hank wouldn't have ever been at Tuco's in the first place.

EVERYTHING that happened has a direct line correlation to Walt doing what he does. He may not have pulled the trigger, but he certainly loaded the gun.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

He fell into some bad times man. It could happen to anyone. In fact it probably will happen to everyone. Deep down inside everybody there's a little heisenberg just waiting to disassociate the next corporal body that crosses his path.

What's funny is the fact that if a news story in OT was posted about a drug dealer who made millions a year by making pure drugs that ruined lives, murdered several people, laundered money etc etc he'd be called the devil.

But because it makes a good TV character Walt is just an unlucky bloke who is lovely really.

 

[big ander]

Yeah, The Shield nailed it.

Vic was an utter cunt, whom I somewhat felt sorry for at times, but on the whole he was just a disgusting human being. The end of The Shield is utterly perfect. Anyone who didn't want to

Spoiler

see him suffer his worst nightmare in a desk job

didn't understand the show. You can't have a better ending than that.

I felt more sorry for Vic than I do for Walt. I'm not sure what that means because they're both such terrible awful men, but yeah.

 

[tycoonheart]

No one argued tony was a nice guy. He is a mob boss, doing fucked up shit comes with the territory. But the audience still liked him because he was the protagonist and he was a very interesting character. People didn't want to see him dead.

Same thing with Michael Corleone. Mob boss who did a lot of fucked up things. But the audience still likes him and I don't see people arguing over whether he is detestable or not like some of you guys do over Walter white.

The thing is Walter does indeed do detestable things on the show but that doesn't mean you can't like his character and still root for him. Ya he watched Jane die... so fucking what? I still want to see him come out on top when its all said and done.

 

[Puddles]

He has literally destroyed Jesse, taking him from a wannabe gang banger to an actual murderer who is always in threat of losing his life and all the associated anxiety

This is bullshit. Jesse was the one who went after those two dealers. All Walt did was save his life. At that point it was either Gale or the two of them, and Gale was more than willing to let them die. Killing him was the right decision to make.

he took Skyler from a typical middle income suburban lifestyle to someone who inserts herself desperately to try to gain control of an incomprehensible shift in the man she married and loved at one point and has now become hopelessly entangled in illegal and family destroying activities

He never wanted Skyler to get involved. He didn't force her to play detective, he didn't force her to fuck Ted, and he didn't force her to get involved with the car wash scheme.

he forced Walt Jr. to drink alcohol as a sort of alpha male test

What a monster! His son puked in a pool!

he allowed Jane to die

This one is a little more questionable. But she was a deranged drug addict who would have gotten him and Jesse killed or imprisoned, and wouldn't have lasted long anyway.

he murdered people to protect his own ass

Who?
Gale = justified.
The two dealers = more than justified.
Krazy 8 = self defense.

He is directly responsible for Hank becoming crippled as he is.

That shit is on Gus.

And, one day, he will likely be directly responsible for the complete and final destruction of his family... because his ego has so dramatically run away with him. He cooks likely the most chemically pure meth ever conceived on the planet... so pure that god knows how many methheads have OD'd from their inability to properly judge doses because of how powerful it is. I don't think that is necessarily good/bad on a moral scale, because I always believe it's purely an adult's responsibility whether they want to inject shit into their body. But there's no denying the level of corruption he has inserted into society by being the man he has now become.

If anything, he's probably making it a little safer for the meth-heads. Impurities can cause a lot of problems.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

I felt more sorry for Vic than I do for Walt. I'm not sure what that means because they're both such terrible awful men, but yeah.

At least Vic did a lot of good as a police officer. He was genuinely good at his job when he wasn't twisting it for his own fucked up agenda. When he put his mind to it, he brought a lot of (fellow) scumbags to justice.

I liked Vic more than Walter, too, but his good deeds never made me think he was a good person. It didn't make up for all the shit he did at all.

 

[Amir0x]

No one argued tony was a nice guy. He is a mob boss, doing fucked up shit comes with the territory. But the audience still liked him because he was the protagonist and he was a very interesting character. People didn't want to see him dead.

Same thing with Michael Corleone. Mob boss who did a lot of fucked up things. But the audience still likes him and I don't see people arguing over whether he is detestable or not like some of you guys do over Walter white.

The thing is Walter does indeed do detestable things on the show but that doesn't mean you can't like his character and still root for him. Ya he watched Jane die... so fucking what? I still want to see him come out on top when its all said and done.

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The argument is that some people who follow a show will root for the main character no matter what he does. I find that such a horrible way to watch shows, such an incurious way to approach any medium that it's slightly embarrassing for those individuals.

See? There are people like this in the world. Actual people with minds. They just want to be pacified with their entertainment and, no matter if the main character was killing children for a living, they would find a way to justify liking him and wishing him ultimate success.

 

[Puddles]

If I was watching it going "Yay, go Walt!" I just can't fathom how it would be enjoyable.

I do this, and it's one of the best shows ever, IMO.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

I do this, and it's one of the best shows ever, IMO.

How can you do that, though? How can you want a disgusting human being to succeed? The whole point of the show is to see Walt go deeper and deeper and wanting him to get his comeuppance.

 

[brianjones]

The thing is Walter does indeed do detestable things on the show but that doesn't mean you can't like his character and still root for him. Ya he watched Jane die... so fucking what? I still want to see him come out on top when its all said and done.

i don't know that i do at this point in the series

there was a time maybe i did but i'm finding it hard to be sympathetic towards walt currently

david chase thought people wanted to see tony's brains splattered on the wall by the end of sopranos after rooting for him doing all these terrible things but i don't know if i ever felt that way.

gandolfini was just too amazing

 

[tycoonheart]

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See? There are people like this in the world. Actual people with minds. They just want to be pacified with their entertainment and, no matter if the main character was killing children for a living, they would find a way to justify liking him and wishing him ultimate success.

It's a fucking TV show, not a documentary. Get off of your high horse.

 

[maharg]

I felt more sorry for Vic than I do for Walt. I'm not sure what that means because they're both such terrible awful men, but yeah.

I'm watching The Shield for the first time right now, and so far (midway through season 2) I find Vic a more sympathetic character than Walt at the same respective points in their series'. Not sure why, they have very similar motivations and flaws. But somehow I just believe that Vic really does care about his family while I think Walt just uses them as an excuse and a weapon.

They're both still scumbags, though.

 

[dave is ok]

I get it. The main characters personality and state of mind is explained better than the others so everyone finds some aspect or trait of his they find relatable

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

It's a fucking TV show, not a doxumenrary. Get off of your high horse.

A TV show that has depth and characters with more than one dimension. This is hardly over-analysing the show - Walt being a horrible character is the fundamental foundation of the show.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

One thing I noticed is that the car wash interior is now clearly a set. Looks like shit, actually.

 

[tycoonheart]

A TV show that has depth and characters with more than one dimension. This is hardly over-analysing the show - Walt being a horrible character is the fundamental foundation of the show.

In the end, it is still a TV show. I have admitted to the fact that what Walter White has done on the show can be considered detestable (though the point Puddles made above are valid as well), but that doesn't mean that me still supporting and rooting for Walter White somehow means that my morals as questionable as Amirox seems to imply.

 

[Puddles]

How can you do that, though? How can you want a disgusting human being to succeed? The whole point of the show is to see Walt go deeper and deeper and wanting him to get his comeuppance.

I guess I'd need to see him go a bit farther before I'd want to see him lose in the end. Up to this point, it's seemed like everything he's done was just a natural reaction to the circumstances he was in, circumstances that spiraled far beyond what he ever imagined when he thought he'd cook a few pounds of meth in a trailer to put aside a few hundred grand for his kids' college funds.

At this point, I'm just hoping that Gus and the cartel murder the fuck out of each other, and Walt is able to get out of the game clean. That's not to say that I won't want him to be brought to justice if he goes full-Tony Montana by the end of the last season.

 

[Amir0x]

This is bullshit. Jesse was the one who went after those two dealers. All Walt did was save his life. At that point it was either Gale or the two of them, and Gale was more than willing to let them die. Killing him was the right decision to make.

In Puddles world, killing is justified as long as you're doing it to cover up your illegal drug dealing enterprise and to cover your ass for being involved in said enterprise! Man, the comedy keeps rising in these justifications. I don't mean to be condescending, even though it's hard not to be here, but it really is hilarious. I've lol'd several times irl, which is immensely difficult for things online.

He never wanted Skyler to get involved. He didn't force her to play detective, he didn't force her to fuck Ted, and he didn't force her to get involved with the car wash scheme.

No, he only went and involved his family anyway by putting them all in mortal danger by being involved in this horribly dangerous drug dealing underworld - more than once the show has illustrated why his family is in actual danger, even putting aside Hank - and Walt's delusions about them being in no risk is just that. He's risked their livelihood financially, he's risked the dissolution of the family unit if caught, he's risked their actual lives period all for his egotistical grab for power. ANY other reading of the show is not only wrong, it's directly contradicted by what the writers of the show themselves have said.

Skyler did wrong as well, but she would never have been put in that position were Walt not the abominable human being he is. He forced her into a situation where she had to decide what to do to keep her family in tact, and though she ultimately made the wrong choice and she has to live with it now, were it not for Walt none of it would have happened. Again, Walt is directly responsible for the systematic destruction of everyone's moral foundation.

What a monster! His son puked in a pool!

Yeah, I'd say that was a pretty monstrous thing for any Dad to do. Let us hope for your future children's sake that this is not the type of thing you'd shrug away in real life.

This one is a little more questionable. But she was a deranged drug addict who would have gotten him and Jesse killed or imprisoned, and wouldn't have lasted long anyway.

hahahahahahahahahahaha. That's your justification? Sweet moses. I honestly don't even need to respond to this.

Who?
Gale = justified.
The two dealers = more than justified.
Krazy 8 = self defense.

If you're drug dealing, any murders done in the process of protecting your enterprise or your horrible drug dealing ass = justified. I'm sure the entire legal system would be profoundly improved by your essential insights into the responsibility one has for his actions in life. About half the prison system could be released using your fucked up logic.

That shit is on Gus.

It's also on Gus - but it's on Walt too.

If anything, he's probably making it a little safer for the meth-heads. Impurities can cause a lot of problems.

Yeah, statistics support proofs that suggest that the higher potency drugs become, the safer they are! Except, of course, they show the exact opposite of that in every single instance it has ever happened.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

Eh, I'm out of this. If you guys can't see he's a monster and not some unlucky dude who is a victim of circumstance I don't know what to tell you.

Hope you never make it on to a jury.

Edit: Amir0x is so right in the above post.

 

[tycoonheart]

The argument is that some people who follow a show will root for the main character no matter what he does. I find that such a horrible way to watch shows, such an incurious way to approach any medium that it's slightly embarrassing for those individuals.

My apologies, Amir0x. I forgot you have the final say on how a show should be watched and how it should be interpreted. I'll make sure I PM you for your opinion before I make any judgement regarding the characters on the show so I can be as morally sound as you are.

 

[Amir0x]

My apologies, Amir0x. I forgot you have the final say on how a show should be watched and how it should be interpreted. I'll make sure I PM you for your opinion before I make any judgement regarding the characters on the show so I can be as morally sound as you are.

You can watch it any way you want - and I can watch those who respond with such genuinely unintellectual points of view and direct them with the truth inherent in the show.

Like I said, you're not the first person and you won't be the last to have this unfortunate way of thinking.

 

[Puddles]

In Puddles world, killing is justified as long as you're doing it to cover up your illegal drug dealing enterprise and to cover your ass for being involved in said enterprise! Man, the comedy keeps rising in these justifications. I don't mean to be condescending, even though it's hard not to be here, but it really is hilarious. I've lol'd several times irl, which is immensely difficult for things online.

The best thing about this is when you come back here to edit your posts in a few months, you'll get to laugh all over again!

 

[Amir0x]

The best thing about this is when you come back here to edit your posts in a few months, you'll get to laugh all over again!

The best thing about this is that in your banal attempt to avoid actually having to defend your illogical positions, you think that this is somehow insulting to me.

I keep up lolin', gets better every second

 

[tycoonheart]

You can watch it any way you want - and I can watch those who respond with such genuinely unintellectual points of view and direct them with the truth inherent in the show.

Funny, coming from someone who managed to get himself demodded in the worst possible way.

 

[Amir0x]

Which, interestingly enough, had nothing to do with intellect. Guys you can avoid having to discuss points raised if you want, but try to be less transparent about it. Geeze. Makin' my life too easy here.

 

[tycoonheart]

If you're going to attack people personally by questioning their intellect because of the way they interpret the show and its characters, certainly its only fair if we do the same about you, no?

 

[Amir0x]

If you have a basis for it, sure. I'm not saying you are unintellectual, I'm saying specifically that that approach to watching the show is an unintellectual act. It says nothing about your overall intellect. If you disagree, tell me why you disagree. An argument is not "well it's not a documentary!" If anything, that PROVES my point. You're refusing to critically analyze your position and then lashing out when someone calls you on it.

 

[Puddles]

The best thing about this is that in your banal attempt to avoid actually having to defend your illogical positions, you think that this is somehow insulting to me.

I keep up lolin', gets better every second

No, I just decided to burn a post on a quick jab because there wasn't a whole lot to respond to in the last one.

Apparently, according to you, the thing for Walt to do would have been to let Jesse get killed the two dealers. If Jesse had somehow made it out alive, the thing to do would have been to just let Gus kill them both, since killing a man who has made it clear that he doesn't have a problem with indirectly killing you and your partner isn't justifiable in the slightest.

Aside from the idea that killing in self-defense isn't justified (which would have meant the show would have ended in Season 1 with Krazy 8 killing Walt in the basement), your other main argument is that Walt is endangering everyone by remaining in the drug game. Conveniently, you forget that Walt hasn't been able to just quit for quite some time now. He got involved with Gus' operation because he thought it represented safety and stability in contrast to the insane shit he had to deal with under Tuco. Real talk: do you think he knew just how deeply involved Gus was with the cartels and the street-level scum like the guys who killed that little kid?

Walt has entered a series of rapidly escalating situations that never presented a clear way out. If he told Gus he was quitting, do you think he wouldn't be murdered immediately, along with his entire family?

 

[brianjones]

youre not watching the show right if youre not tsk-tsking everything that goes on in it

 

[Drewsky]

Can't we all just get along?

 

[Amir0x]

No, I just decided to burn a post on a quick jab because there wasn't a whole lot to respond to in the last one.

Apparently, according to you, the thing for Walt to do would have been to let Jesse get killed the two dealers. If Jesse had somehow made it out alive, the thing to do would have been to just let Gus kill them both, since killing a man who has made it clear that he doesn't have a problem with indirectly killing you and your partner isn't justifiable in the slightest.

The thing to do, as any morally sane person would have done, would be to exit stage left, go to the police, enter witness protection and take responsibility for what you've done. For the earlier action, it would have been to not get involved in the first place. But let's say you justify the first two murders he ever committed. The one in the basement? That's "self-defense"? He had him tied up. Just because he took a piece of plate glass? Walt knew before that moment what he had done, which is the moment he chose to kill him. Walt could have, instead, gone to the police and admitted what he had done, and taken responsibility. That is the morally right thing to do.

Aside from the idea that killing in self-defense isn't justified (which would have meant the show would have ended in Season 1 with Krazy 8 killing Walt in the basement), your other main argument is that Walt is endangering everyone by remaining in the drug game. Conveniently, you forget that Walt hasn't been able to just quit for quite some time now. He got involved with Gus' operation because he thought it represented safety and stability in contrast to the insane shit he had to deal with under Tuco. Real talk: do you think he knew just how deeply involved Gus was with the cartels and the street-level scum like the guys who killed that little kid?

Justified how? Is it justified to the legal system? Is it justified only to your moral code? Is it justified as a form of survival? Would anyone see it that way? If in real life you involve yourself with a gang and then, in the process, someone ends up dead because you decided it was either him or you, what do you think would happen?

A. You'd get off scott free and everyone would think it was justified.
B. You'd spend life in prison.
C. You'd spend life in prison but the judge and most people would be all "it was wrong but, you know, I understand why you did it! I would have done the same thing too!"

Walt has entered a series of rapidly escalating situations that never presented a clear way out. If he told Gus he was quitting, do you think he wouldn't be murdered immediately, along with his entire family?

He had many clear ways out many many times.

 

[big ander]

I'm watching The Shield for the first time right now, and so far (midway through season 2) I find Vic a more sympathetic character than Walt at the same respective points in their series'. Not sure why, they have very similar motivations and flaws. But somehow I just believe that Vic really does care about his family while I think Walt just uses them as an excuse and a weapon.

They're both still scumbags, though.

Exactly. And, personally, through all 7 seasons, I still felt that way about Vic. Despite the monstrous places he goes to, I still felt he was doing it for his family in a way. They are much more than an excuse to break bad.

@Puddles: you seem to have some weird worldview where murdering anyone is acceptable as long as there's the slightest chance they could harm you. Walt could have exited the game at any point by going to the police. Instead he chooses to remain.
Also, you can't dispute that his high-quality large volume meth production is bad for so many. It's a fact, it really is.

 

[AlternativeUlster]

What the hell are you guys arguing about? I personally think that most of Walt's actions are justified and to the big decisions, would probably do the same. What would you do in any of these situations Ami?

 

[Jack Scofield]

It's sad how a fantastic show like Breaking Bad is wasted on the simple-minded as the last page has proven. People who are unwilling (or perhaps unable) to form a shred of critical thinking about the characterization and psychology of certain characters on the show, even when the characters are specifically written against their beliefs.

Please, just go back to enjoying Michael Bay flicks if you can't take a step back and form some critical analysis about movies/TV shows.

 

[Drewsky]

I think Vic Mackey is worse than Walter White. It's close though.

 

[Amir0x]

What the hell are you guys arguing about? I personally think that most of Walt's actions are justified and to the big decisions, would probably do the same. What would you do in any of these situations Ami?

Well firstly, if I had a family to think about, I would have never gotten involved in this shady drug underworld in the first place. That was his first mistake. It's one thing to put yourself in danger, quite another to endanger your family without their knowledge.

Secondly, once the thing with the two guys in the RV happened, which could MAYBE be called self-defense and if I tied up that guy in the basement, I would have just gone to the police and turned myself in. I would know I was getting in way over my head and that the lifestyle is not a responsible adult thing to do.

And this is coming from someone who has no problem with drug use and wishes the manufacture and distribution of drugs was actually 100% legal in the USA. It's just everything else that came along with it, with his family behind him, that Walt stepped over the line over and over. And in destroying Jesse, he is especially responsible.

 

[harSon]

No, he only went and involved his family anyway by putting them all in mortal danger by being involved in this horribly dangerous drug dealing underworld - more than once the show has illustrated why his family is in actual danger, even putting aside Hank - and Walt's delusions about them being in no risk is just that. He's risked their livelihood financially, he's risked the dissolution of the family unit if caught, he's risked their actual lives period all for his egotistical grab for power. ANY other reading of the show is not only wrong, it's directly contradicted by what the writers of the show themselves have said.

Skyler did wrong as well, but she would never have been put in that position were Walt not the abominable human being he is. He forced her into a situation where she had to decide what to do to keep her family in tact, and though she ultimately made the wrong choice and she has to live with it now, were it not for Walt none of it would have happened. Again, Walt is directly responsible for the systematic destruction of everyone's moral foundation.

This is just flat out stupid. How does Walt putting her in this predicament matter? It's certainly true that Skyler wouldn't be down this road if it weren't for Walt, but who cares? You're simply playing a game of "What if" at this point. If Walt hadn't gotten Cancer, he wouldn't be a scumbag life-ruining murderous drug dealer. The fact that Cancer was the impetus to all of his horiffic decisions does not excuse the fact that he ultimately made those immoral life choices. The same is true for Skyler. While it's a difficult thing to do, she could have truly protected her family by turning in Walt upon finding out that he was knee deep in the drug dealing business. But she didn't and she deserves 100% blame and zero sympathy for making that decision. End of story.

 

[AlternativeUlster]

The thing to do, as any morally sane person would have done, would be to exit stage left, go to the police, enter witness protection and take responsibility for what you've done. For the earlier action, it would have been to not get involved in the first place. But let's say you justify the first two murders he ever committed. The one in the basement? That's "self-defense"? He had him tied up. Just because he took a piece of plate glass? Walt knew before that moment what he had done, which is the moment he chose to kill him. Walt could have, instead, gone to the police and admitted what he had done, and taken responsibility. That is the morally right thing to do.



Justified how? Is it justified to the legal system? Is it justified only to your moral code? Is it justified as a form of survival? Would anyone see it that way? If in real life you involve yourself with a gang and then, in the process, someone ends up dead because you decided it was either him or you, what do you think would happen?

A. You'd get off scott free and everyone would think it was justified.
B. You'd spend life in prison.
C. You'd spend life in prison but the judge and most people would be all "it was wrong but, you know, I understand why you did it! I would have done the same thing too!"



He had many clear ways out many many times.

You should remember though that Walt had cancer and needed a quick fix to get his family a net of cash so they could survive. How far would you go to help your family? Would you just allow yourself to die, doing nothing, and making your family struggle? It isn't about morals then but about doing what you can to help your family by any means possible.

 

[la flama blanca]

Mr White is a bad guy, because I am not him. /thread?

 

[Amir0x]

This is just flat out stupid. How does Walt putting her in this predicament matter? It's certainly true that Skyler wouldn't be down this road if it weren't for Walt, but who cares? You're simply playing a game of "What if" at this point. If Walt hadn't gotten Cancer, he wouldn't be a scumbag life-ruining murderous drug dealer. The fact that Cancer was the impetus to all of horiffic decisions does not excuse the fact that he ultimately made immoral life choices. The same is true for Skyler. While it's a difficult thing to do, she could have truly protected her family by turning in Walt upon finding out that he was knee deep in the drug dealing business. But she didn't and she deserves 100% blame and zero sympathy for making that decision. End of story.

Like I said, she has to live with the decision she made since it was a bad decision. But it was Walt who put her in that horrible place, having to choose. It's not cancer. It's not a random act of nature. It was a human putting another human in a place where she had to choose. And sometimes in the choosing people make mistakes, it's true. And that doesn't justify what Skyler is now doing even 1%. It does, however, mean Walt is ALSO responsible.

 

[brianjones]

You should remember though that Walt had cancer and needed a quick fix to get his family a net of cash so they could survive. How far would you go to help your family? Would you just allow yourself to die, doing nothing, and making your family struggle? It isn't about morals then but about doing what you can to help your family by any means possible.

are you serious

having cancer doesnt justify anything hes done

 

[la flama blanca]

Can't we just agree that Walt is just a very selfish human being and is seemingly acting out some kind of mid-life crisis in an a very obscene and dangerous manner?

 

[Amir0x]

You should remember though that Walt had cancer and needed a quick fix to get his family a net of cash so they could survive. How far would you go to help your family? Would you just allow yourself to die, doing nothing, and making your family struggle? It isn't about morals then but about doing what you can to help your family by any means possible.

Maybe that was why he did it for, like, three and a half episodes. After that it was because he loved the rush it gave him, because he was prideful in the product he was making, because it gave him a sense of control and power, because he's egotistical. It has stopped being about his family ages ago.

But, I can assure you, if I had a family, turning to meth would be the absolutely last thing I would do to try to get money. If you sat your family down and asked them what they wanted to do, and they are fine with X, then go with X. In this case, Skyler and Walter Jr. was fine with struggling. Walt Jr. set up a charity thing.

But, specific to the show even more directly, Walt could have swallowed his pride and accepted that goddamn job he was offered with his former colleagues.