RobotNinjaHornets
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Gus gets killed, finds Tuco and Krazy 8 in hell. The last series is them coming back to life to kill Walt.
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Breaking Bad - Season 4 - Sundays on AMC
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BenjaminBirdie
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blame space said:
YESSSS.
Mr. Saturn
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AlternativeUlster said:
Haha, wasn't her name DJ though? Oh god I can't believe I know that!
Drewsky said:
I assume they want Walt.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
RobotNinjaHornets said:
Don't forget about Badger and Skinny Pete.
DoctorButt
Member
walt jr. fucks badger
walt and skyler's baby was a DEA agent all along
walt and skyler's baby was a DEA agent all along
AlternativeUlster
Absolutely pathetic part deux
Cornballer said:That's a good point. They've coveted him for a while, iirc.
Clearly there would be more purple in the series as a whole if that was the case.
Man, I went to the AV Club to read more (this is what I thought when they wanted their demands) but all I am reading is about Hank being a kid toucher. What the fuck dudes?
Smelly Tramp
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all the people apologizing for jesse here saying walt ruined his life have some merit, but i think are assuming jesse didn't have a choice in all of this.
the whole section that set them into the shitheap of a situation they are in now was the moment jesse decided to walk towards those two child killing thugs, gun in hand.
yes, walt has caused alot of this, but at that moment, gus had settled the matter, and if jesse hadn't have been so careless both of their lives would not be currently in danger. jesse had a choice. it was a bad choice, like quite a few of walt's choices.
i think people excuse it though because jesse is young and naive and walt should really know better.
the whole section that set them into the shitheap of a situation they are in now was the moment jesse decided to walk towards those two child killing thugs, gun in hand.
yes, walt has caused alot of this, but at that moment, gus had settled the matter, and if jesse hadn't have been so careless both of their lives would not be currently in danger. jesse had a choice. it was a bad choice, like quite a few of walt's choices.
i think people excuse it though because jesse is young and naive and walt should really know better.
Superimposer
This is getting weirder all the time
God the latest episode was the first time to me that Season 4 really felt like good old Breaking Bad. I was worried for a while...
BertramCooper
Banned
HOLY FUCKING SHIT HANK IS A BADASS
maharg said:
And there were multiple times he had a chance to let it go, and he never took it.
He mentions in one of the most powerful Walt scenes the "perfect moment" he should have not lived one second longer. We as viewers know this moment can never come for Walt because he has crossed the line so many times, so it's the last tiny shred of sympathy I think most viewers can have with him in normal terms. I think that was the severance point many had when they realized exactly the toll this man has had on everything he has touched.
He has literally destroyed Jesse, taking him from a wannabe gang banger to an actual murderer who is always in threat of losing his life and all the associated anxiety, he took Skyler from a typical middle income suburban lifestyle to someone who inserts herself desperately to try to gain control of an incomprehensible shift in the man she married and loved at one point and has now become hopelessly entangled in illegal and family destroying activities, he forced Walt Jr. to drink alcohol as a sort of alpha male test, he allowed Jane to die, he murdered people to protect his own ass. He is directly responsible for Hank becoming crippled as he is. And, one day, he will likely be directly responsible for the complete and final destruction of his family... because his ego has so dramatically run away with him. He cooks likely the most chemically pure meth ever conceived on the planet... so pure that god knows how many methheads have OD'd from their inability to properly judge doses because of how powerful it is. I don't think that is necessarily good/bad on a moral scale, because I always believe it's purely an adult's responsibility whether they want to inject shit into their body. But there's no denying the level of corruption he has inserted into society by being the man he has now become.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
30 seconds in... this RAGE product placement is horrible.
blahblah...blah
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In this week's Breaking Bad podcast, they talk about product placement. It's a REALLY interesting discussion
"AMC and Sony are both really interested in brand integration"
"we [the executive producers] came into the writers' room over the summer and ask for places where it could work"
"we needed a video game for the cold opener anyway"
"the RAGE guys were phenomenal...they worked closely with Peter [the director and writer], they made changes to the game to Peter's design...they added a graphic element to the game specifically as an easter egg for really eagle-eyed Breaking Bad viewers"
"a whole element about the game controller and what it would look like, how that would fit in with the game"
"the Dodge came up during discussions about when Jr. got a car...Melissa and I were sceptical we were gonna get product placement on the car, given we blow it up...eventually, we got our Dodge and were shocked...both brands had to take a chance"
EDIT: "we only do it when it serves the story...we would have blown up the car regardless", they object to being called 'shills'.
"AMC and Sony are both really interested in brand integration"
"we [the executive producers] came into the writers' room over the summer and ask for places where it could work"
"we needed a video game for the cold opener anyway"
"the RAGE guys were phenomenal...they worked closely with Peter [the director and writer], they made changes to the game to Peter's design...they added a graphic element to the game specifically as an easter egg for really eagle-eyed Breaking Bad viewers"
"a whole element about the game controller and what it would look like, how that would fit in with the game"
"the Dodge came up during discussions about when Jr. got a car...Melissa and I were sceptical we were gonna get product placement on the car, given we blow it up...eventually, we got our Dodge and were shocked...both brands had to take a chance"
EDIT: "we only do it when it serves the story...we would have blown up the car regardless", they object to being called 'shills'.
-Pyromaniac-
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I find any and all product placement discussion annoying but it is interesting to hear that that developers of Rage were actually there tailor making it for Breaking Bad, only because people were complaining that it's not really like Rage at all. Just funny is all.
BertramCooper
Banned
One thing nagging at me - Gus seems oddly unconcerned about the investigation into Gale's murder.
Perhaps he's too focused on the cartel issues, or maybe he's just convinced that he has successfully bought the feds' trust with his charity. Or maybe he is concerned and we're just not seeing it.
Gomez's and Merkert's reactions were exactly what Gus wanted, should he ever be implicated in a drug case or a homicide. But is Gus truly certain that the feds would never go after him?
It just shows that Gus is still largely an enigma. We don't know enough about him to make a judgment.
Perhaps he's too focused on the cartel issues, or maybe he's just convinced that he has successfully bought the feds' trust with his charity. Or maybe he is concerned and we're just not seeing it.
Gomez's and Merkert's reactions were exactly what Gus wanted, should he ever be implicated in a drug case or a homicide. But is Gus truly certain that the feds would never go after him?
It just shows that Gus is still largely an enigma. We don't know enough about him to make a judgment.
-Pyromaniac-
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It also shows that just like Walt, Gus isn't perfect either. I bet he doesn't even remember that his finger print was at Gale's house, he got slippy and now he is about to get owned, that is unless Walt can do something about it since he hangs with Hank.
I know most people are cold as stone when it comes to product placement, but I don't think it's mentioned often enough how difficult it is to keep shows like this afloat, economically speaking. The series is more popular than ever and keeping the cast and crew that made it a success takes some money-love. Let's also not forget that the more popular it is the more the suits want a bigger cut of the pie. In my opinion, I think people are making a bigger deal out of it than it really is for this particular show. I've seen execution in bigger budgeted films handle the integration of product placement way worse. If the people behind the scenes of Breaking Bad have to explicitly put a Dodge vehicle or a video game within an episode in order to keep the talent involved and the story to see itself through, so be it. Small price to pay for the bigger-picture payoff.
BertramCooper said:
I guess this is preview spoilers. I usually skip previews but I accidentally caught this one:
It seems clear that he was distracted by the cartel, and in the preview Mike phones him to warn him about a "perfect storm" facing Gus' business with the investigation and the cartel.
So it seems if he was unconcerned before...
sixteen-bit
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That was my reaction.Foliorum Viridum said:
Granger Danger
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But in this case it just looked awkward and added nothing in terms of narrative arc or character development (which is certainly possible with well-executed PP). Maybe they should instead have had Walt Jr. play it to illustrate his Rage towards his mother for taking away his car or something.RaidenZR said:
BertramCooper
Banned
Interesting. I buy the eps off Amazon, so I never see the previews.Amir0x said:
It's seems incredibly foolish that Gus would think killing Victor was a final solution to that particular problem. But I'm glad we're starting to see the chinks in his armor.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
Rest of the show was great after the RAGE stuff.
Jesse/Mike is now the best thing about the show I think. Really like where this is heading. Gus being pressured by the cartel is also really interesting. I asssume what they want is Walt to make their product?
Skyler being shocked at how much Walt makes and not knowing how to launder it was also great. When Walt is being a stupid twat and doing everything he can to boost his own ego, seek revenge and generally not stick to their story at all, she's stressing out about how to keep her family safe and off the radar of the IRS. How can anyone on GAF hate that, again? The scene with Walt trashing the car made me want to punch him.
And Hank... fucking hell. What a great scene. I said last episode I really hope he pulls himself out of that hole and begins to nail the case and that's exactly what he's done. Put a huge smile on my face to see him sat at that table laying out the whole case for them. Wonderful.
Jesse/Mike is now the best thing about the show I think. Really like where this is heading. Gus being pressured by the cartel is also really interesting. I asssume what they want is Walt to make their product?
Skyler being shocked at how much Walt makes and not knowing how to launder it was also great. When Walt is being a stupid twat and doing everything he can to boost his own ego, seek revenge and generally not stick to their story at all, she's stressing out about how to keep her family safe and off the radar of the IRS. How can anyone on GAF hate that, again? The scene with Walt trashing the car made me want to punch him.
And Hank... fucking hell. What a great scene. I said last episode I really hope he pulls himself out of that hole and begins to nail the case and that's exactly what he's done. Put a huge smile on my face to see him sat at that table laying out the whole case for them. Wonderful.
NathanMcMahon
Banned
Why does this show only exist once a week? WHY!!!!!!!!
BertramCooper
Banned
I hope Dean Norris gets an Emmy nom next year. He's been epic this season.
Granger Danger said:
In Jesse's case, I think there was stuff to take away from the product placement opener that speaks to his state of being, but I'd definitely agree that it was too inelegantly done. The audience wasn't given too much credit in this example. I think it was longer than it needed to be, and the overall direction of the imagery could have been handled better, but I don't begrudge them their need to operate the way they have. Breaking Bad is a show with commercial responsibility to their network. It's not an arthouse project that is floating, untethered to the real world.
Edit: Additionally, I care more about when the show needs to hit emotional beat or when a scene with action needs to resonate, devoid of outside influence. Breaking Bad is alarmingly good about not letting those scenes be corrupted by too much outside influence, as was the case with Jesse's AA meeting monologue in this past episode.
BertramCooper
Banned
God I'd wish they'd stop all of this Los Pollos Hermanos product placement.
It really takes me out of the show.
It really takes me out of the show.
freenudemacusers
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While it is kind of lame that the camera sat on the title screen for as long as it did, I would rather have games/entertainment on the show that are consistent with modern production values rather than another NCIS's Fear Tower 3 or whatever.Foliorum Viridum said:
sixteen-bit
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As long as it doesn't cannibalize Aaron Paul's chances.BertramCooper said:
BertramCooper
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Paul has already won an Emmy, so I'm not as concerned._dementia said:
I wouldn't mind Mad Men and Breaking Bad switching places next year, with BB getting Best Drama and MM getting some much deserved acting love. But I have a feeling that Boardwalk Empire, which is inferior to both shows, is going to screw that up.
sixteen-bit
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Ugh. I hope not.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Puddles said:
They wanted to go after Walt but Gus gave them Hank the man who actually shot and killed Tuco.
Misread what you wrote my bad.
sixteen-bit
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Ted hasn't been in S4Copernicus said:
Puddles said:
Gus redirects the danger that Hank was only in because Walt is a horrible meth cooking asshole. The cartel was going after Walt, then because Gus needed him to continue to be the awful human being he is... he found a scape goat to misdirect the violence. It's a direct expansion of the danger his family is always in due to what he does, and that he carelessly discards as if it means nothing.
It's hilarious to me how people are constantly trying to find ways to justify the awful things Walt has done to literally every person he knows. I always love reading these comments, genuinely.
Jack Scofield
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Speaking of that Rage product placement, for the majority of the time I thought it was a fictional game created specifically for Breaking Bad. It was so stereotypical of what a non-gamer thinks games are like. A character walks through a dark, dirty environment shooting zombies/mutants in the face. And the player has an actual gun peripheral as to further drive home the point that games are murder simulators. And just to hammer home Jesse's state of mind, the game is called, wait for it...Rage. 'Cause, you know, he's angry and in an unhealthy state of mind.
I thought it was laughably offensive and ignorant until I discovered it was a real game. Holy shit, made me feel embarrassed for the games industry.
I thought it was laughably offensive and ignorant until I discovered it was a real game. Holy shit, made me feel embarrassed for the games industry.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
It confuses me that people can't accept Walt's a horrible person.
Did people used to defend Tony Soprano etc back in the day? I can just imagine people justifying his actions and claiming he's a nice guy too.
Did people used to defend Tony Soprano etc back in the day? I can just imagine people justifying his actions and claiming he's a nice guy too.
sixteen-bit
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iOS version?Amir0x said:
BertramCooper
Banned
I find Walt even more repulsive than Tony Soprano, simply because of Walt's unparalleled hypocrisy.Foliorum Viridum said:
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
blahblah...blah said:
Oh man
brianjones
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i was thinking light gun games have come a long way
but im out of the gaming loop
but im out of the gaming loop
Foliorum Viridum said:
Absolutely. I remember reading it and scratching my head. Specifically, there was an uproar at the end of the whole show because <END OF SOPRANOS SPOILERS JUST IN CASE>
Tony was killed. It was left up to interpretation, ever slightly (though it's clear what happened with any real analysis), and just the mere IMPLICATION of Tony's death
audience bizarrely seemed to not want Tony to pay for ANY of his crimes, no matter how horrible.
The argument is that some people who follow a show will root for the main character no matter what he does. I find that such a horrible way to watch shows, such an incurious way to approach any medium that it's slightly embarrassing for those individuals.
NathanMcMahon
Banned
blahblah...blah said:
As good as that was that song will always be about Six feet Under and gets me hard every time I hear it thinking about the last scenes of that fucking awesome show. Best TV ending in history, period.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
God, I can't imagine watching The Sopranos and liking Tony. It honestly blows my mind that people in this thread can't accept Walt is a horrible, egotistical man who threatens the life of his family more and more with every move he does.Amir0x said:
The great thing about Breaking Bad is being symapthetic towards Walt, watching him wither away and desperately try to support his family, then see him slowly transform into the monster he is today and hating him for it.
If I was watching it going "Yay, go Walt!" I just can't fathom how it would be enjoyable. Then again, if you see a character that way you're probably not smart enough to be watching the show for any intellectual reasons and just like moving pictures.
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